In club rugby, east is east and west is west
By Andrew Logan, 7 May 2008 Andrew Logan is a Roar Expert
Twenty years ago, in 1988, Sydney rugby club Randwick became the first Australian club side to play the All Blacks.
They were defeated by 25 points to 9, although the two tries to one statistic is probably a more accurate reflection of the game. The match was watched by thousands from rooftops around Coogee Oval.
In 1983, five years before that, an epic 12-10 grand final win to Manly over Randwick led to the appointment of Alan Jones as national coach, and the subsequent 1984 Grand Slam tour, and the 1986 Bledisloe win.
In 1991, former Wallaby coach Rod Macqueen erupted out of a 173 game grade career with Warringah, coached the side to two consecutive Grand Finals, became Waratahs coach through a 10 match unbeaten run, and eventually coached the Wallabies to a World Cup in 1999.
Sydney club rugby has a history of producing acorn moments: those moments which are recognised by canny observers as being a portent to great oak trees for NSW and Australian rugby further down the track.
A history of great players producing memorable moments in club grand finals. A history of great coaches emerging as contenders from club training grounds. And a history for which new chapters were written each and every weekend throughout the Sydney winter.
Unfortunately, the only acorns which get the attention required to flourish, seem to exist east of Homebush.
The Penrith oak, which should be a sturdy sapling by now, is actually a stunted, struggling twig whose new leaves are stripped whenever it shows promise.
In 1999, the struggling minnows had their day in the sun when they won 10 regular season games, surprising many a fancied opponent in the process. But no longer.
You could say that Penrith has been forgotten, but that would be a forgiving to those charged with growing the game in NSW.
Studiously ignored might be closer to the mark. Disregarded would be closer still. And snubbed might be most accurate of all.
Penrith have struggled over the last few years. Once upon a time there was support from members of the NSW hierarchy. Fraser Neill and Ewen McKenzie have both supported the idea of Penrith rugby being strong. There was once a fairly successful development program happening too, driven by former NSW commercial and operations manager Dave Gibson. Unfortunately for the west, Gibson was sacked by the Waratahs in May 2007.
A couple of years ago, NSW Rugby did some analysis and discovered that an enormous percentage of the population of greater Sydney was west of Blacktown. So why, the question was asked, is rugby not growing out there?
The answer was twofold.
First, there is no real rugby culture in the west, and second, no-one wants to play for the team which is out there, because they keep getting belted. The good players they do manage to unearth, go east to stronger clubs.
The recommendation which came out of this analysis was: “Fix Penrith, and you’ll grow rugby in the west”. Did it happen? It certainly doesn’t appear so.
This hasn’t stopped Penrith from trying to fix themselves.
In 1999, the Sydney clubs were allocated a sum of approximately $5,000 each to develop junior rugby. The Penrith club sat down and said “OK, what are we going to do with ours?”
The idea eventually was to find 10 schools and get them to field a team in a schools competition in return for a donation to the school of $500.
In the first year, this Penrith administered competition attracted 10 teams – roughly 200 new junior players trying rugby in the west of Sydney. The second year, 15 teams nominated for the competition.
These days this competition is still administered by Penrith rugby and it has teams playing a midweek competition in divisions for Yrs 7/8, Yrs 9/10 and Opens (Yr 11/12).
There are about 2,300 players in this competition. That is not a misprint. There are over two thousand juniors playing rugby in a competition administered by Penrith Rugby, who also pay for the referees and other incidentals. About 600 of those children are girls. The program was started by Penrith, is run by Penrith, and relies on a mix of funding from Penrith and other sources.
One of the great success stories from this competition is Prairiewood High at Wetherill Park. After forming their first rugby union team just four years ago, Prairiewood’s First XV snatched the Robson Shield, which is contested state-wide.
Captained by an Assyrian of Iraqi origin, Prairiewood’s winning team was a mix of Samoan, Fijian, Tongan, Italian, Turkish, Dutch, Uruguayan, Spanish, New Zealand, Maltese and Lebanese kids.
Herald journalist Paul Sheehan recorded his impressions of a conversation about rugby with the school’s principal, Denise Smith: “I believe her, because we were talking after Prairiewood’s First XV had played in the final of the statewide open rugby championship, the Waratah Shield. They had just been thrashed, 51-0. Not to worry. They won the shield as the best state high school and lost the final to a rugby dynasty, St Edmunds College, Canberra, who had won the final for the seventh consecutive time and the 13th in 20 years. Their captain, James Stonham, playing in the tradition of previous Eddies’ captains Ricky Stuart and George Gregan, dominated the game and was picked to play for Australian schools”.
“Yet, although I am a dubious product of Eddies, it was the losing captain, Senan Naamo, who made a deeper impression on me. Naamo is tall and gangly, the son of Assyrian immigrants from Iraq. ‘He’s a lovely boy, a serious student with exceptional character’, Smith told me. Naamo gave the captain’s address at the presentation. He’s not a polished speaker but he’s a dignified one, and he struck me as the sort of young man upon whom teachers could rely to help build a school’s espirit de corps, especially one in the middle of a melting pot”.
Penrith Rugby Club are responsible for this school playing rugby. But unfortunately, these young players are not coming through to the Penrith ranks. And neither are many of the Penrith juniors in their U15, U16 and U17 sides, particularly those who make the rep sides out west.
Alex Pinson, Penrith junior and member of the Sydney West Schools rugby rep team, is a poignant example. He received two letters from leading Sydney clubs after he made the SWS team, offering him playing positions with them. This was especially cheeky, considering that he is the son of Penrith RUFC General Manager John Pinson, and Nepean Blue Emus junior rugby President Michelle Pinson. Incidentally, the Pinsons did not contribute to this story. The information came from elsewhere.
Obviously, the talented players from the Penrith district are quickly snapped up by rugby league clubs, and, in a classic case of the snake devouring itself, other leading Sydney rugby clubs. So despite Penrith being responsible for thousands of kids under the age of 17 playing rugby, they continue to struggle at the senior level because there is no way to keep them in rugby after they reach the grade ranks.
If they are any good, the lure of rugby league cash, and rugby cash and scholarships is often just too strong. A cursory glance at the annual reports of the leading clubs will show that the Penrith club runs on an annual budget about one-third the size of the frontrunners.
This is not the only problem for the rugby people struggling to keep the game alive west of Blacktown. The rugby hierarchy does its part to keep the west down too.
In 2003, Penrith Rugby Club made a submission together with Penrith City Council, to host a team for the World Cup.
According to sources, it was agreed that they would host Argentina – an award made in large part because of the successful hosting of the rafting and water sports by Penrith during the Olympics, and also in part due to support from Panthers Leagues Club who were supplying the accommodation, and use of the Panthers state-of-the-art training facilities at Hickeys Lane.
Six weeks before the World Cup, the offer to host a team, any team, was suddenly withdrawn and Penrith Rugby were left to go cap in hand to Penrith Council, and Panthers, and give them the bad news. Former Penrith and then Wales coach Scott Johnson’s offer to take Wales to Penrith was declined, because “Argentina were there”.
Argentina stayed at the Crowne Plaza, Coogee. Wales stayed somewhere else. No-one stayed at Penrith.
In 2007, there was a meeting between Penrith officials, NSW Rugby and Jackie Kelly, the outgoing Member for Lindsay. Kelly (who is now on the board of Penrith Rugby Club) was aware of some land formerly owned by Australian Defence Industries at St Marys and was interested in having the land turned into sporting fields – specifically six full size rugby pitches complete with stadium.
After a visit to the site, Kelly asked a NSW official how much they might need to develop the site if she could acquire it on their behalf, through legitimate government channels, at no cost to either Penrith or NSW Rugby.
Since she was on her way to Canberra the next day, Kelly asked for a simple document to take with her, setting out an initial estimate for development of the site. Penrith rugby officials completed the submission and emailed it to NSW at 1am to be forwarded to Kelly’s Canberra office, since it needed to be lodged by NSW Rugby.
Throughout the next morning, Kelly phoned Penrith officials, looking for the document which had not yet been received from NSW, and which she needed for meetings in Canberra regarding the ADI site. By 1pm the document had still not been submitted. At 3pm, NSW officials finally contacted Penrith to say that the document had been reviewed, and that they didn’t feel that they were able to support the initiative.
The Canberra decision making machine rolled on down the road.
The ADI land still sits idle waiting for a development proposal. And Jackie Kelly, former Liberal minister and now Penrith board member, continues to lobby the new Labor government for development of the ADI site – the same Labor government, by the way, which recently canned millions in funding for the National Rugby Academy at Ballymore.
Incidentally, at the first site meeting with Jackie Kelly, the same NSW officials who eventually canned the idea, turned up 45 minutes late.
As rugby people, we’re entitled to ask: “How does a club with more than 3000 juniors playing rugby under their administration manage to be almost completely ignored by those who have the power to help it compete for market share in Western Sydney?”
The rugby game deserves better.
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May 7th 2008 @ 1:29pm
PaulMC said | May 7th 2008 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
Penrith – A place too far!
The rugby “types” still have difficulty with Homebush and complain bitterly at having to travel “that far” to watch a game.
They will endure spending over an hour getting out of Moore Park & put up with SFS rather than travel.
May 7th 2008 @ 1:32pm
Roger said | May 7th 2008 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
Wait a second eveyone, if Scott Johnson takes the tahs coaching job then we will have on Penrith’s favourite sons coaching NSW.
May 7th 2008 @ 2:38pm
Spiro Zavos said | May 7th 2008 @ 2:38pm | Report comment
Terrific piece of insight and research Andrew. You are right on and someone like Peter Fenton (the mentor of Scott Johnson) would be delighted with the accuracy of your analysis. It’s time to say that the NSWRU board has been a disaster area for too long. Perhaps we need another intervention from the ARU. Hopefully John O’Neill will read this and start pushing the NSWRU to do much better about a potential growth area of Sydney.
Why the NSWRU has not tried to push actively to do a deal with the Penrith Panthers League club is beyond me. In the early 1990s Sydney defeated the All Blacks out at Penrith by I think the biggest score they’ve conceded. Peter Fenton coached Sydney. Simon Poidevin played his last major rugby match and left the field with the All Blacks well beaten with 10 minutes or so to play so that his reserve Tony Dempsey could get a chance to play against the ABs.
In defence of the All Blacks, they’d been on a long tour of Australia and had a final test to play in Sydney before going on to South Africa. The players’ wives landed in Sydney for a week R and R before the South Africa leg three days before the Penrith match …
I have a photo taken from the Sydney Mail of 1904. it shows some stout gentlemen in suits and waistcoats standing in front of a steaming train. The caption says that the stout men were from the NSWRU and they were on their way to Penrith to scout out the possibilities of starting a rugby club out there. 104 years later and Andrew Logan tells us how the NSWRU is still failing the rugby community and the potential rugby community out west.
May 7th 2008 @ 3:04pm
yoda said | May 7th 2008 @ 3:04pm | Report comment
Notwithstanding the fact that it was 20 years ago not 10, Andrew’s article is quite valid in many respects but amiss in others. Although criticism of NSW Rugby is perhaps warranted in several areas the development of rugby in the west of Sydney is a far more complex challenge than many appreciate. Now don’t get me wrong, I am in no way an apologist for NSW Rugby but it is worth considering the following.
When Penrith were promoted to the Shute Shield in 1994 from Kentwell Cup in the reign of David Moffett their performance on the field certainly didn’t warrant their elevation. They were neither the Kentwell Premiers nor Club Champions. The summary execution of Drummoyne in favour of Penrith also caused much angst amongst many in the club scene, although in true Sydney club rugby tradition many had been working behind the scenes to get rid of Drummoyne anyway. Strategically it may have seemed a great idea but I can remember quite clearly an article by Spiro Zavos at the time headlined “Don’t ignore the heartland to explore the frontier”. His article went on to describe how in 1904 the rugby luminaries of the time made an overnight train trip to explore the possibilities of establishing a significant rugby presence in the area. Anyway I digress.
The truth of the matter is that once the decision was made to include Penrith they were virtually left to fend for themselves and to be honest they were always on a hiding to nothing. In principle it may have seemed a good idea but they had neither the structure, the support or the the ability to be successful and NSW Rugby weren’t really in a position to help.
Why? Because the whole organisation, the growth and development of the game in NSW both in the city and throughout the country areas depends on the success of 6 nights a year…the home games for the Waratahs. Now if you had a business where your whole year depended on 6 good days sales then, to say the least, it would be a fairly nervous existence. It almost makes a farmers life seem positively easy. Then add in factors like an underperforming team, bad weather, a bad draw, an hour to get out of the car park, rude staff, over priced food and beverage, then you certainly need to be very careful about where the money goes.That’s a problem for another day.
So what to do about the west. For rugby to prosper at a club, provincial and national level we have to embrace the west of Sydney. Not just Penrith but through to Campelltown and surrounding areas. And also to the Northwest. There needs to be a well thought out and structured pathway to allow these areas to meet the challenge and take their place in the premier competition once they satisfy set criteria. This criteria cannot be such that it is only achievable for those Sydney clubs who continue to insist that all clubs must field 5 senior grades and 4 colts. It must be such that players don’t feel the need to go to a few select clubs to be recognised. The competition must be balanced and there are several ways to that. A salary cap is probably not the way to go as the cost of enforcing such a policy would be prohibitive but a points system similar to the Jim Beam Cup could work. Basically it is where your first grade side can only field a maximum of say 100 points and each player has a value. Players who come through your Juniors/Colts have a far less value when they stay with their original club (and the points value for that player continues to stay low no matter what representative level he attains) but the value for that player going to another club is far higher. This stops the poaching and warehousing of players.
There are many great rugby stories that come out of the west but they are all at the Junior level, the Cluster Cup, Rugby in the Park to name a few. What we need to do is enable them to take it through to a senior level. That’s the challenge for NSW Rugby and one they need to address…now
May 7th 2008 @ 3:20pm
Nicko said | May 7th 2008 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
1904… 4 years before league started – and they let league happen.. case in point.. incompetent and they have devoured themselves…
still happening today, this illustrates my point above and illustrates the fact that andrew’s article is just one illustration in a long career of pipe-dreamers, remembering the day….. what school did you go to??
May 7th 2008 @ 3:30pm
Hatchet said | May 7th 2008 @ 3:30pm | Report comment
Is it difficult to understand why Argentina did not go to Penrith?? That would be like having a World Cup in France and locating a team on Devil’s Island.
At one time, Penrith had 8 development officers whilst other traditional rugby areas had none- Newcastle for one.
They should stop complaining and do something. This ” we poor westies” is wearing a bit thin. They always have their hand out for aid. 50% of NSW businesses are located west of Strathfield just get on and work at being a sucess.
May 7th 2008 @ 9:11pm
westy said | May 7th 2008 @ 9:11pm | Report comment
Hatchet…..this is the point . We Westies are fairly stoic , perhaps less articulate but know when we are not wanted.. Our best rugby players generally do not end up playing rugby. They march with their feet. They perceive that Rugby is elitist even when rugby is their native game. It always amazes me when Rugby loses juniors like Inu, Hayne and Folau to league. When Penrith had the development officers Penrith won a significant number of games . The next year NSWRU sacked them and Penrith so to declined. The attitude of the Australian Rugby Union has improved but the NSWRU has not. No complaint should be made when people perceive Rugby is the most narrow based class ridden sport in Australia. The is not the reality but it is the attitude and culture that pervades NSWRU. This does not read well and rugby people react to it . The problem is it keeps rearing its ugly head. The class divide in Australia has been exaggerated by the significant subsidisation of private schools especially some very exclusive ones . I have personally had the unfortunate experience of taking a representative district team to play a private school A team and the comments made by the parents would not have been tolerated at a district level nor would the parents have been allowed to be so close to sidelines.with no ropes!. When one of our players finally reacted to being a “Gorilla “and told the female parent what he thought I was approached by an irate male to get him to apologise. They seem to have no code of conduct and the parents seemed to have no idea how to cope with the racial mix and size of a district rugby team in a district in which their school exists.The answer is that there school has not been and does not want to be part of that local district. This attitude does then affect future interaction. We have never been asked back and do not want to.go. As one of my players said “Do they have any Black kids there “The domination of private school administrators in NSWRU is at the active core of the elitism in NSWRU. The domination of private school rugby over junior district rugby is one which is not tolerated out west nor in any other sporting code in Australia.Even in cricket the district dominates over private school rugby. Most junior rugby players out west end up going to the more competitive and better run junior league .People out west like to represent their districts and communities.Rugby does not offer that competitive district alternative.Saw some of the juniors playing over in the east . My oh my there are not many of them. Saw plenty of Swans stickers. Do they have kids any more in the East?Sydney High and Sydney Grammar do they call what I saw Rugby? OH by the way give us a government bus service and privatise the ferries . Andrew… even if my argument is exaggerated and a little one dimensional thankyou for your article. You see when Parramatta Leagues wanted to run a super 14 team out of Parramatta stadium in the heart of Western Sydney it would have been successful. The only one it would have hurt would have been the Waratahs. It really is the” club “of the North /East. It has little traction anymore as our state team.But that Western Sydney team would have grown the game. Everyone knows O’Neill is full of Bullshit. There will not be a Western Sydney team . It would only hurt the declining heartland.
May 7th 2008 @ 10:29pm
Midfielder said | May 7th 2008 @ 10:29pm | Report comment
Andrew
IMO the best union article ever on the Roar.
Congratulations and hopefully this article makes some people take note, that the only thing holding rugby union back is its management.
Remember in the NH its growing and across Asian also growth, why is it declining in Australia, I worked at News at a place called Cumberland Newspapers and RM came in one day and sacked the Managing Director, General Manager, and about another 5 senior executives, he held a brief meeting with the staff and said words to the effect a fish stinks from the head.
Those responsible for the miss management you have uncovered need to be called to account.
Again excellent, nay brilliant article …………
May 8th 2008 @ 8:47am
Peter Fenton said | May 8th 2008 @ 8:47am | Report comment
Andrew – good article, well researched. The Argentina W/Cup fiasco was typical of our our problems. I could relate many more. One of your respondents referred to me as the ‘great’ Peter Fenton. Perhaps he was being facetious. At NSW they spelt it ‘grate.’ Scott Johnson and I drove them mad. And why not?
When I was appointed Penrith coach in 1997 the new CEO, John Winstanley, who’d had as much experience with Rugby (and therefor knew as much about it ) as I’d had with Chinese opera, told me to my face he was surprised and extemely disappointed that I had been chosen. He thought one of the NSW rugby boys was getting the job!!. I often thought of this as I was driving around the back of Mount Druitt picking up Pacific Island boys for training over the next five years.
The lift in fortunes seen in 1999 when we won 10 games, many with bonus points, was due largely to Scott Johnson’s efforts. He is a superb coach (sadly the new ARU and NSWRU boards were late realising this, though I believe NSW is trying to correct their error even at this late stage) ). We were also able to convince the CEO and Dave Gibson, who was equally difficult to motivate as I recall, to install four development officers in the West and alow them to play for Penrith. They certainly earned their money, developing from Eastwood to Hawkesbury Valley, Katoomba to Campbelltown, Parramatta to Penrith.
Of the four only one was a representative player, Peter Besseling, who had grown up on the Hawkesbury and gone to school in Penrith. Nevertheless the presence of these four and their attitude encouraged other talented players to the club. Chainsaw McQueen, Besso’s best mate from the NSW country team, Buddy Whare, another former Cockatoo from the Central Coast and local league veteran Glenn Liddiard. We were on the away! But not for long. When NSW realised they were broke at the end of the year the ARU stepped in to run the show and immediately summoned the development officers to Concord Oval, told them to hand in their car keys and find their way home.
The difficulties with promoting the game in the West are many and varied. Penrtith’s isolation is not really understood by those closer to the city. Most players are vulnerable to offers from other clubs. To switch from Gordon to Manly or Wests to Randwick hardly causes any logistical problems. How do you convince a player to finish work in town, battle your way up th M4 to be in Penrith for 7 o’clock training and get home at 10.30 at best? Believe me you don’t.
Of all the clubs Penrith’s players need to live in their own district. Parramatta is closer to Randwick than it is to Penrith. So they must exist on their schools and juniors. We operate in an age where poaching is more important than coaching. The stronger clubs with money and Uni with their scholarship systems can pick off the talented youngsters as they wish. The Penrith colts, all assembled from within the area, arrive to play Uni or Norths who contain half a dozen Australian schoolboys, tackle their hearts out and lose 60 nil. How much fun is that?
Rugtby is the only sport where there is no attempt made to level up the competition. There is no draft system, no salary cap, no encouragement, financial or otherwise, for players signed from league to play with the weaker clubs. No academy players are encouraged in this direction either. So the strong get stronger and the weak are left to ponder what might be. The district’s potential is way above any other. Yet it will take a lot more nous and effort than has ever been shown before to lift the profile and performance of Rugby in the most populated area in Sydney. As the soccer authorities plan an A League team, the AFL prepares for a second Sydney side, both situated in Sydney’s West, the new Gold Coast Titans lead the ARL competition and the AFL plans its invasion there also, the ARU proudly announces its invasion of Mosman!. You don’t believe it? Check their latest press release. They are putting a development officer on the North Shore. That should show them we mean business. Fab
May 8th 2008 @ 9:43am
Zelic said | May 8th 2008 @ 9:43am | Report comment
I agree Andrew – a terrific article and a shame that Sheek thought it appropriate to jump in to an important and serious debate by “mischievously” saying “Send Sydney University back to subbies for a start”. That was neither humourous nor helpful. It is often forgotten amid Uni’s recent run of success that it too was a basket case about 15 years ago. Sure it has some advantages other clubs may not have, for example, wealthy and influential alumni and (more recently) the ability to offer scholarships to those who wish to study while they play, but it would be nowhere if some very motivated people within the Club had not drawn a line in the sand, installed a professional administration and coaching structure and taken proactive steps to ensure an improvement of the Club’s on-field performance. There were no “handouts” from the NSWRU and Uni does not have a junior base but please do not attribute the strength of the Club to its geographic location – it has always been there. And if you do not think that the Club has done enormous amount to ensure the strength of Australian rugby in the last decade, then you are just not watching the game.
Having said that, I am not suggesting that Penrith has been the architect of its own demise . I am full of admiration for the efforts of those who run the Penrith Club and I am embarrassed by the way that the NSWRU has left it without support. I take no joy a big score is racked up against them, just like I was horrified to see Uni beat Southern Districts 80-0 last season when Souths had been the only Club apart from Randwick to lower Uni’s colours in 2005. The NSWRU Board is moribund and the ARU should clearly run the game here before we lose the West and South of Sydney altogether.
I very much enjoy my trips to Nepean Rugby Park and my discussions with the Penrith fans who are passionate about their Club and the game. What can be a higher priority than ensuring that they are not lost to the game?