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	<title>Comments on: Are performance-enhancing swimsuits the new drugs?</title>
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		<title>By: dasilva</title>
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		<dc:creator>dasilva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason I want performance enhancing drugs to be illegal is that its damage the health of the athlete and the only way people can compete with them is to take drugs that damage their health. (you cannot compare a theorise damage to health of wearing a swimsuit to the proven damage of performance enhancing drugs) 

Really what makes an advantage an unfair or fair one. People get access to world class training and coaches and sporting facilities, dieting are all advantages that one athlete can have over the other. Why can&#039;t we add swimsuits to that list. In most sports there always technological improvement ot improve performances. Lets say someone using latest technology from the AIS to help improve training performances (there are using virtual reality in somes sports)  that other countries  don&#039;t have access to. Should we ban that because that is an unfair advantage? Should we have standardise coaching. facilities as well to even the odds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason I want performance enhancing drugs to be illegal is that its damage the health of the athlete and the only way people can compete with them is to take drugs that damage their health. (you cannot compare a theorise damage to health of wearing a swimsuit to the proven damage of performance enhancing drugs) </p>
<p>Really what makes an advantage an unfair or fair one. People get access to world class training and coaches and sporting facilities, dieting are all advantages that one athlete can have over the other. Why can&#8217;t we add swimsuits to that list. In most sports there always technological improvement ot improve performances. Lets say someone using latest technology from the AIS to help improve training performances (there are using virtual reality in somes sports)  that other countries  don&#8217;t have access to. Should we ban that because that is an unfair advantage? Should we have standardise coaching. facilities as well to even the odds.</p>
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		<title>By: joeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spiro

&quot;More evidence of the effect of the high-tech suits on performance comes from Libby Trickett’s ‘misjudgment’ in not using the suit in her semi-fina[l] of the women’s free style 100m. Her times of 54.10, &#039;the 9th fastest&#039; in the semi-finals, compares poorly with her record of 52.88.&quot; 

Listening to Ray Hadley and Nicole Stephenson on &#039;GB, apparently Libby has always had a habit of qualifying for races well below her PB and often just sneeking in. Eg., in John Huxley&#039;s SMH article &#039;Shock therapy&#039;, Trickett after winning Silver in the 100 freestyle, the paragraph reads: 

-- Trickett, of course, was her usual self: smiling, bubbling, counting her blessings that she had even been allowed to swim, in lane eight, following the disqualification of a Chinese swimmer [Jiaying Pang]. &quot;I&#039;m so thankful for that because in Athens, I never got another opportunity, so to come out there was wonderful. I really wanted to give it my absolute all. I wanted to be hurting right at the end of it, and I definitely did that. Full credit to Britta [Steffen]. She swam a fantastic race.&quot;

http://www.smh.com.au/news/swimming/shock-therapy/2008/08/15/1218307227431.html

But it certainly was interesting when Eamon Sullivan completed the 50m freestyle qualifier dash that before uttering a word to Seven&#039;s poolside commentator Daniel Kowalski, he asked Dan to &#039;please unzip me&#039;, such must be the discomfort of being so compressed in those things. 

In reality those hi-tech swimsuits must be more uncomfortable and annoying than the current skin-tight rugger jerseys as worn by the Wallabies &amp; co... (thanks to an overly observant Pom, SCW!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spiro</p>
<p>&#8220;More evidence of the effect of the high-tech suits on performance comes from Libby Trickett’s ‘misjudgment’ in not using the suit in her semi-fina[l] of the women’s free style 100m. Her times of 54.10, &#8216;the 9th fastest&#8217; in the semi-finals, compares poorly with her record of 52.88.&#8221; </p>
<p>Listening to Ray Hadley and Nicole Stephenson on &#8216;GB, apparently Libby has always had a habit of qualifying for races well below her PB and often just sneeking in. Eg., in John Huxley&#8217;s SMH article &#8216;Shock therapy&#8217;, Trickett after winning Silver in the 100 freestyle, the paragraph reads: </p>
<p>&#8211; Trickett, of course, was her usual self: smiling, bubbling, counting her blessings that she had even been allowed to swim, in lane eight, following the disqualification of a Chinese swimmer [Jiaying Pang]. &#8220;I&#8217;m so thankful for that because in Athens, I never got another opportunity, so to come out there was wonderful. I really wanted to give it my absolute all. I wanted to be hurting right at the end of it, and I definitely did that. Full credit to Britta [Steffen]. She swam a fantastic race.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/swimming/shock-therapy/2008/08/15/1218307227431.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/news/swimming/shock-therapy/2008/08/15/1218307227431.html</a></p>
<p>But it certainly was interesting when Eamon Sullivan completed the 50m freestyle qualifier dash that before uttering a word to Seven&#8217;s poolside commentator Daniel Kowalski, he asked Dan to &#8216;please unzip me&#8217;, such must be the discomfort of being so compressed in those things. </p>
<p>In reality those hi-tech swimsuits must be more uncomfortable and annoying than the current skin-tight rugger jerseys as worn by the Wallabies &amp; co&#8230; (thanks to an overly observant Pom, SCW!)</p>
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		<title>By: BigAl</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/08/15/are-performance-enhancing-swimsuits-the-new-drugs-substitute/comment-page-2/#comment-63379</link>
		<dc:creator>BigAl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#!#!#! NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH!  -   Kabul 3008 - Men&#039;s 50m freestyle - won in World Record Time !!

                                                                 0.00000000173 sec before he started ! 

                                                                                             . . . finally a swimming world record worth thinking about  !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#!#!#! NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH!  &#8211;   Kabul 3008 &#8211; Men&#8217;s 50m freestyle &#8211; won in World Record Time !!</p>
<p>                                                                 0.00000000173 sec before he started ! </p>
<p>                                                                                             . . . finally a swimming world record worth thinking about  !</p>
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		<title>By: Spiro Zavos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spiro Zavos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sundo 
Apparently some medicos are suggesting that the intense compression from the high-tech swim suits might damage the breasts of the swimmers. We don&#039;t know what the medical consequences of these suits might be. 
More evidence of the effect of the high-tech suits on performance comes from Libby Trickett&#039;s &#039;misjudgment&#039; in not using the suit in her semi-fina; of the women&#039;s free style 100m. Her times of 54.10, the 9th fastest in the semi-finals, compares poorly with her record of 52.88.
You can be sure that she&#039;ll be going hi-tech in the final.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sundo<br />
Apparently some medicos are suggesting that the intense compression from the high-tech swim suits might damage the breasts of the swimmers. We don&#8217;t know what the medical consequences of these suits might be.<br />
More evidence of the effect of the high-tech suits on performance comes from Libby Trickett&#8217;s &#8216;misjudgment&#8217; in not using the suit in her semi-fina; of the women&#8217;s free style 100m. Her times of 54.10, the 9th fastest in the semi-finals, compares poorly with her record of 52.88.<br />
You can be sure that she&#8217;ll be going hi-tech in the final.</p>
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		<title>By: Sundo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sundo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the difference between performance-enhancing drugs and performance-enhancing high-tech swim suits? Easy - the swimsuits won&#039;t make your testicles fall off (or grow the female swimmers a new set)........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the difference between performance-enhancing drugs and performance-enhancing high-tech swim suits? Easy &#8211; the swimsuits won&#8217;t make your testicles fall off (or grow the female swimmers a new set)&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: stuff happens</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuff happens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question for you? Do you believe that spikes are an asset to runners and improve their times. Of course you do.
So unles you are proposing that we ban spikes it is difficult to oppose swimsuit development as long as the &#039;snakes&#039; are available for all competitors ( as someone else has already said).
Here&#039;s another question, why are the Aussie girls as a team so much better than the blokes -  again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question for you? Do you believe that spikes are an asset to runners and improve their times. Of course you do.<br />
So unles you are proposing that we ban spikes it is difficult to oppose swimsuit development as long as the &#8216;snakes&#8217; are available for all competitors ( as someone else has already said).<br />
Here&#8217;s another question, why are the Aussie girls as a team so much better than the blokes &#8211;  again?</p>
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		<title>By: joeb</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/08/15/are-performance-enhancing-swimsuits-the-new-drugs-substitute/comment-page-1/#comment-63267</link>
		<dc:creator>joeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>letter to the editor: “What is the difference between performance-enhancing drugs and performance-enhancing high-tech swim suits?” Interesting point. 

Interesting what Cowley says in his article about the pool in Beijing: &quot;the one in the Cube is lightning quick.&quot; 

One simple solution to create a &#039;level playing field&#039; would be to standardise the swimsuits for all competitors, but ultimately is that really in the interest of progress? Eg., at the 1984 Summer Olympics in LA when the US track cycling team debuted those initially controversial &#039;performance enhancing aerodynamic helmets&#039; (with the pointy bit sticking out the back). Today all time trial cyclists wear them as standard gear, as even our Cadel Evans did recently in the TDF. 

Cowley&#039;s article also points out:

&quot;This pool is ... a metre deeper than usual. This means ... &#039;less resistance and turbulence off the bottom&#039; for the swimmers.&quot; (So presumably this assists the swimmer swim faster unimpeded. I&#039;d have to say I&#039;m for it.) 

&quot;It&#039;s also wider ... one empty lane either side,&quot; yes, did notice that, &quot;which means any waves can be dissipated into those lanes, then into the gutter, which is a simple overflow system. That means &#039;the water runs into the drains and away, rather than bouncing off a raised gutter and back into the pool as waves.&#039;&quot; (Again the pool design, let&#039;s call it &#039;state-of-the-art&#039;, therefore further enhances and compliments the swimmer&#039;s ability/athleticism by dissipating the waves into the &#039;simple overflow system&#039;. This pool design is now presumably the new benchmark, or should be imho.)

&quot;Then there are the anti-wave lane ropes, designed so that swimmers don&#039;t get any wash from their opponents&#039; in other lanes, &#039;meaning they can swim in calm water&#039;. In the days before such ropes, swimmers sometimes had to deal with surf-like conditions.&quot; -- Yes, seem to recall the &#039;surf-like conditions&#039; quite well, so by reducing that effect, it creates more of a level playing field, so to speak. Again credit to the designers. 

For mine there&#039;s also a lot of merit in Aus coach Alan Thompson&#039;s comment that the standard of coaching is higher than ever, and the athletes fitter. The way we blew the Chinese and Yanks out of the pool -- and who were also wearing the latest tech suits by the look of them -- in that brilliant Women&#039;s 4x200m freestyle relay final yesterday was and is such a morale booster for the country. (Hope our Wallabies saw it, and attempt to emulate the feat in the next few weeks.)   

Personally I&#039;m for the advancements in the new swimsuits, and better designed Olympic pools etc. Makes for great entertainment as well. Go the Aussies today again -- blitz &#039;em!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>letter to the editor: “What is the difference between performance-enhancing drugs and performance-enhancing high-tech swim suits?” Interesting point. </p>
<p>Interesting what Cowley says in his article about the pool in Beijing: &#8220;the one in the Cube is lightning quick.&#8221; </p>
<p>One simple solution to create a &#8216;level playing field&#8217; would be to standardise the swimsuits for all competitors, but ultimately is that really in the interest of progress? Eg., at the 1984 Summer Olympics in LA when the US track cycling team debuted those initially controversial &#8216;performance enhancing aerodynamic helmets&#8217; (with the pointy bit sticking out the back). Today all time trial cyclists wear them as standard gear, as even our Cadel Evans did recently in the TDF. </p>
<p>Cowley&#8217;s article also points out:</p>
<p>&#8220;This pool is &#8230; a metre deeper than usual. This means &#8230; &#8216;less resistance and turbulence off the bottom&#8217; for the swimmers.&#8221; (So presumably this assists the swimmer swim faster unimpeded. I&#8217;d have to say I&#8217;m for it.) </p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s also wider &#8230; one empty lane either side,&#8221; yes, did notice that, &#8220;which means any waves can be dissipated into those lanes, then into the gutter, which is a simple overflow system. That means &#8216;the water runs into the drains and away, rather than bouncing off a raised gutter and back into the pool as waves.&#8217;&#8221; (Again the pool design, let&#8217;s call it &#8216;state-of-the-art&#8217;, therefore further enhances and compliments the swimmer&#8217;s ability/athleticism by dissipating the waves into the &#8216;simple overflow system&#8217;. This pool design is now presumably the new benchmark, or should be imho.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Then there are the anti-wave lane ropes, designed so that swimmers don&#8217;t get any wash from their opponents&#8217; in other lanes, &#8216;meaning they can swim in calm water&#8217;. In the days before such ropes, swimmers sometimes had to deal with surf-like conditions.&#8221; &#8212; Yes, seem to recall the &#8216;surf-like conditions&#8217; quite well, so by reducing that effect, it creates more of a level playing field, so to speak. Again credit to the designers. </p>
<p>For mine there&#8217;s also a lot of merit in Aus coach Alan Thompson&#8217;s comment that the standard of coaching is higher than ever, and the athletes fitter. The way we blew the Chinese and Yanks out of the pool &#8212; and who were also wearing the latest tech suits by the look of them &#8212; in that brilliant Women&#8217;s 4x200m freestyle relay final yesterday was and is such a morale booster for the country. (Hope our Wallabies saw it, and attempt to emulate the feat in the next few weeks.)   </p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;m for the advancements in the new swimsuits, and better designed Olympic pools etc. Makes for great entertainment as well. Go the Aussies today again &#8212; blitz &#8216;em!</p>
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		<title>By: Hoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Spitz said that the suites only helped when you swam a certain speed that only an elite few could do anyway.  If you swim slower than that, they are useless.

Can someone confirm that one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Spitz said that the suites only helped when you swam a certain speed that only an elite few could do anyway.  If you swim slower than that, they are useless.</p>
<p>Can someone confirm that one?</p>
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		<title>By: David N</title>
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		<dc:creator>David N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the  argument agt drugs is that they create
 an unfair advantage for those who take them ,the drugs that are legal like painkillers l are available to everyone as are (or will/should be ) the suits . It is silly to stop coaching and technology advancements in sport but it is important that everyone competes on a level playing field.  Swimming seems fascinated by the need to break world records but the same is not true in most sports , its the competition that enthrals us and at some point swimmers will hit the level at which the world records no longer fall, wont stop me watching the sport ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the  argument agt drugs is that they create<br />
 an unfair advantage for those who take them ,the drugs that are legal like painkillers l are available to everyone as are (or will/should be ) the suits . It is silly to stop coaching and technology advancements in sport but it is important that everyone competes on a level playing field.  Swimming seems fascinated by the need to break world records but the same is not true in most sports , its the competition that enthrals us and at some point swimmers will hit the level at which the world records no longer fall, wont stop me watching the sport &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;bats are to cricket&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;bats are to cricket&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sheek</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think too much is being made of the swimsuits. My only concern here is that every athlete has access to the gear. That then makes it a level playing field.

Personally, I&#039;m not a big fan of the suits, but you can&#039;t stop progress. Providing it&#039;s avaialbale to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think too much is being made of the swimsuits. My only concern here is that every athlete has access to the gear. That then makes it a level playing field.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m not a big fan of the suits, but you can&#8217;t stop progress. Providing it&#8217;s avaialbale to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The swimsuits are to swimming just as the &quot;high tech&quot; bats are to swimming and clubs &amp; balls are to golf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The swimsuits are to swimming just as the &#8220;high tech&#8221; bats are to swimming and clubs &amp; balls are to golf.</p>
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		<title>By: Mungo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mungo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they make a dual fitting suit I could let the wife wear it to help her recover after each stroke, then I could wear it when her mother comes round to help deal with the pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they make a dual fitting suit I could let the wife wear it to help her recover after each stroke, then I could wear it when her mother comes round to help deal with the pain.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spiro, 
There must be a finite limit to how fast a person can swim/run over a distance so I would think that unless we are creating bionic athletes wouldn&#039;t that point be getting closer to achievement rather than further away?
On the question of performance enhancing drugs I think it seems to be fairly arbritary. Is a pain killer/ cortisone injection less performance enhancing than other substances?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spiro,<br />
There must be a finite limit to how fast a person can swim/run over a distance so I would think that unless we are creating bionic athletes wouldn&#8217;t that point be getting closer to achievement rather than further away?<br />
On the question of performance enhancing drugs I think it seems to be fairly arbritary. Is a pain killer/ cortisone injection less performance enhancing than other substances?</p>
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