The IRB voting system is broken
By Fragglerocker, 19 Aug 2008 Fragglerocker is a Roar Rookie
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The addition of an automatic nine-figure ‘bribe’ to the IRB in order to host the Rugby World Cup is the final straw. The system is broken and is badly in need of a complete rebuild and several doses of castor oil.
But I’ve finally resigned myself to the fact that the IRB will remain broken indefinitely.
When it comes down to it, how could the IRB ever change? The voting system currently in place means that the only way it could change is if the select few countries with the power to change the system all decide to relinquish their power.
That’s an occurrence that rarely if ever happens in real-world politics.
The current voting system within the IRB gives two votes each to England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, France, South Africa, New Zealand, and Australia.
Argentina, Italy, and Canada get one vote each.
Finally, one vote each is given to Europe, Africa, Oceania, and Asia respectively.
If you divide up the votes by player numbers (according to the IRB figures of 2003), the voting numbers don’t add up. The USA (37,430 players), Paraguay (1,740 players), Uruguay (3,750 players), and Chile (13,710) aren’t even represented at the vote.
Scotland (33,600) and Ireland (52,000) get four votes between them, while Fiji (60,000) has to share its vote with Tonga, Samoa, and the rest of Oceania.
It hardly seems fair. And it would seem that money talks.
Given the player numbers, it’s easy to imagine a very different rugby world if the same money and resources were given to rugby in some of these ‘lesser’ countries.
However, the simple fact remains: a country of 100 players, with a culture of playing rugby from childhood and a structured competition taking them through their adult years, coupled with professional contracts for their best players, will always beat a country of 1000 amatuer players, limited to high school or college competitions only.
Nowhere is this imbalance more clearly demonstrated than the voting for Rugby World Cup hosting nation.
Vote dealing between the European rugby powers is now conducted openly and unashamedly. We repeatedly see the farce of ‘RWC France’, with games in Scotland, ‘RWC Wales’, with games in Ireland, ‘RWC England’, with games in whichever country votes for England.
As long as the Rugby World Cup is allowed to be shared between hosting nations, the vote dealing between those nations will continue.
We all know, and it is widely acknowledged even in the north, that the most successful RWCs have been, and always will be, those hosted by a single country. When this occurs, the country is transformed into a two month rugby festival.
Even when the competition is being played in an area where rugby is not a popular sport, the event itself promotes the game of rugby. 15,000 people watching a game between Romania and Namibia in Launceston proves it.
The only way for the game to move away from the “votes for matches” scenario, is to enshrine the principal that no country with more than one vote at the IRB table may share games. This would mean that lesser nations would still be able to share if absolutely necessary.
Once those rules are established, the Rugby World Cup could alternate every four years between established rugby nations with big purses – who would be expected to pay the hosting fee – and nations where the IRB wants to grow the game.
Japan and Argentina would be obvious choices. But after that, there’s no reason why other minnow nations couldn’t do it (not that Argentina are ‘minnows’ on the field).
The criteria for “ultra-modern, world class” stadiums could be relaxed, as most people watching the game would be watching it on television anyway and most of the revenue is TV driven as well.
I remember being in Cardiff for two Wallaby games at the Millenium Stadium (Wales/Barbarians) and going to a Cardiff versus Cambridge game in the old Cardiff Rugby Club ground next door between internationals.
Standing there, with a Cornish pastie in one hand, and a pint of Brains SA in the other, close enough to the game to smell the linament coming out of the dressing room, and having to pick the mud and bits of electrical tape off the bottom of my shoes, I realised that but for the standard of play, my enjoyment level wasn’t dependent on modern stadiums for absolutely every game.
Obviously I’d miss the modern stadiums if I was knee deep in mud every game, but the novelty of visiting “the stone age” every once in a while is amazingly refreshing.
Many rugby followers fit into the adventure tourist crowd and aren’t reliant on 4-star accommodation. As anyone who has or even attempted to go to a Rugby World Cup can tell you, it is a phenomenally expensive venture.
Some of these minnow nations would offer a much cheaper holiday for the travelling rugby tragic.
The main objective of the hosting choice would be to place it in a nation where the sheer scale of the event, and the number of visitors, would make the experience of the tournament unavoidable for the local population.
This is why America would be a poor choice, but Canada would make sense.
A tournament held across America would be drowned out by the sheer size of the traditional US sports market. The average American would be lucky to hear about the match results or even realise the tournament was on. One American state or region, however (New England for example), might be small enough for the RWC to dominate headlines, while still being large enough to provide crowds and money.
Imagine Romania as host nation.
No Romanian could go to a pub without wondering, “who are these 30,000 Irishmen and Englishmen in town and how come they’re not fighting in the street”?
“This is rugby, not football!,” the crowds would tell them. And maybe, just maybe, the next generation of Romanian schoolchildren would have a few more rugby players.
I wouldn’t mind trekking through the Carpathian Mountains in between matches. The possibilities are there.
The IRB would just have to decide what country has a population of potential converts and the Rugby World Cup would do the rest.
But all of these dreams and ramblings will come to nought.
The current voting system simply doesn’t allow for the growth of any junior member into a competitive rugby nation. Apparently the IRB strongly believes in the axiom, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”
Unfortunately when they say “broke”, they’re talking about a lack of money, not something in desperate need of repair.
I’m sure many would disagree with my ides for the Rugby World Cup, but that’s not the point of my argument.
My point is that you can suggest whatever you like. A new inter-hemisphere club competition, a new set of ELVs, feather boas for referees, anything.
But first you’d have to overcome the inertia of the IRB who are thoroughly entrenched in their own world of back-scratching and secret handshakes.
A world where a place at the table doesn’t mean a slice of the pie.
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True Tah said | August 19th 2008 @ 8:40am | Report comment
FR,
the whole Scotland getting 2 votes is something I dont get…what has Scottish rugby given the world of rugby, apart from a bunch of stupid old men who almost stopped the world cup ever getting off the ground?
I dont understand why they get more votes than Argentina? Argentina has performed better at a world cup, has far more players and has a lot more professional players to boot.
In Scotland, the game is almost dead, crowds at the ML games get less than 1,000.
Each region should have one vote, with the chairman holding the casting vote…the rep for each region can only hold the position for a max of two years, before they need to hand it over to another nation within that region, and no nation could hold the position more than once within a six year cycle.
I like the idea of a World Cup in Romania though, I never thought of it…but I can guarantee the IRB have never thought of it.
Dave74 said | August 19th 2008 @ 10:17am | Report comment
I agree with you that the IRB structure needs changing. I have said before that performanceon the field should be rewarded with a place on the board. Hence, my idea would be the IRB having 22 positions on the board – 1 each for countries that qualify for the worlf cup plus one for the chairman and one for the CEO.
stillmissit said | August 19th 2008 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Fragglerocker and TrueTah – The IRB is a leftover from a different time and there is no chance of evolution happening. Look at the mess about some law changes. I wrote a lengthy letter to them after the Australian WC (via Gary Flower) and suggested we look at a competition between the minnows to end before the WC final and the winner gets automatic entry into the following WC. Never heard a word not even an acknowledgement.
Everyone I have spoken to in rugby circles doesnt have a decent word to say about them. They seem to be there as the ultimate blazer brigade and to catch a pile of money then ensure it goes to the politically powerful.
Peter K said | August 19th 2008 @ 11:46am | Report comment
Bodies voting themselves out of power is rare.
Corporations do it when the board being taken over get an enormous golden handshake.
Otherwise it happens like in SA with the White Government changing it’s apartheid system when overwhelming forces opposed it internationally and internally with civil war threatening.
Sports bodies do not do it, but what can happen is a new opposing body rises to challenge, like it did in cricket, or professional tennis, or in grid iron where the super bowl originated between a playoff between the champions of the 2 bodies.
So the new profesional rugby in 1995 was the best chance of it happening. The trouble is the various media organisations are making money off the way it is so they won’t rock the boat.
True Tah said | August 19th 2008 @ 11:50am | Report comment
Peter K,
the old saying goes that turkeys dont vote for Xmas.
In that vein, the Celtic unions would never approve any change that is going to reduce them to the role that they should be reduced to.
Lets face it, rugby is probably the only area where these Celtic unions have any degree of control over things. AT rwc 2007, only one of the Celtic unions made it out of their pool (Scotland), and that pool was pretty bloody weak TBH.
I see these guys as a real problem area for the IRB going ahead, as they control almost 30% of votes!!
Ben C said | August 19th 2008 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
True Tah
Scotland has given the rugby world Finlay Calder, Gavin Hastings and the deep fried Mars bar. Surely the deep fired Mars bar alone is worth 2 IRB votes?
Benjamin said | August 19th 2008 @ 1:01pm | Report comment
Ben, read Gavin Hasting’s autobiography and then subtract those two votes. Horrible book.
Tah, what is this celtic rugby diatribe?
Shaun said | August 19th 2008 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
I think that the structure of the IRB can be compared to the UN, at least in terms of the Security Council.
None of the countries on the Council would allow their place to be dropped, for their standing to be lowered, and the
situation is pretty much the same here..Realistically why would you give up your power?
Perhaps if the IOC presented an ultimatum, become democratic or we won’t let you in(as I think that the IRB’s un-democractic nature is one of the objections), that might work..
Shaun said | August 19th 2008 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
Ben C- don’t forget the infamous energy drink: IRNbru!! They drink more of it than Coke and its served at Macca’s
– Scotland is unique in this regard.
Blinky Bill - Bellingen said | August 19th 2008 @ 1:37pm | Report comment
stillmissit – ” I wrote a lengthy letter to them after the Australian WC (via Gary Flower) and suggested we look at a competition between the minnows to end before the WC final and the winner gets automatic entry into the following WC.”
Mate I just had to say something about this. I love where you’re coming fom. What a bloody great suggestion from you. Well done for trying.