Surprise, suprise, the ELVs are OK in the UK
By Spiro Zavos, 10 Sep 2008 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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Shaun Edwards, the coach of Wasps and defense coach for Wales, has clearly been watching the ELVs at work in the Super 14 and the Tri-Nations Tests. Before the Guinness Premiership started last week, he wrote an article for The Guardian telling critics “to forget all those dire warnings about the ELVs.”
“There might be a bit more kicking”, he noted, “but other than that our game has remained virtually untouched.”
Edwards was a rugby league great.
I like his use of the phrase “our game.” Does he mean rugby union, or the UK game of slow-plod forwards, multiple long-arm penalties, restricted ball in play, slowing down the game and endless kicking?
Whatever, he did make the point that the UK tournaments are playing only thirteen of the 33 ELVs.
Among the variation NOT being played is the use of short-arm penalties for infringements, except off-side, not coming through the gate, and foul play (all long arm penalties in the full ELVs) at the ruck and maul.
Another point Edwards made that is very relevant is this: “The demise of the (rolling maul) seems greatly exaggerated and I don’t see it going away just because it can be pulled down … Teams will adapt and find more ways of protecting the maul.”
In the Tri-Nations, both the Springboks and the All Blacks used rolling mauls to some effect.
Against Samoa, the All Blacks used a lot of rolling mauls, something I expect them to do at Brisbane if they get the chance.
The point about allowing the maul to be pulled down is that it gives a defence against the maul, where under the ‘old’ laws there is none at present.
So how did the commentators cope with their first experience of the truncated ELVs in the opening round of the Guinness Premiership?
The UK Daily Telegraph’s Martin Johnson is a terrific colour writer, but he knows very little about sports in general and seemingly even less about rugby.
In his match report on London Irish defeating Edwards’ Wasps he made the stupid statement that “the northern hemisphere have – thus far – stopped short of turning the game into a rugby league-style tap-and-go fest.”
If the Tri-Nations was rugby league with 15 players, how is it that a league star like Timana Tahu could not cope with the intricacies of the union defensive requirements?
London Irish won, Johnston insisted, because “they brought some structure to their game along with the passion.”
This admission destroys all the dire warnings from the experts that the ELVs take the “structure out the game.” The proposition is nonsensical when you understand that scrums, lineouts, mauls and rucks still exist under the ELVs.
In fact, while there may be fewer lineouts and scrums, each of these events has a greater importance because of the advantages that flow from getting possession that can be used more effectively than under the ‘old’ laws.
Benjamin made the point in one of his excellent articles on the Guinness Premiership that teams have already learned to be clever at the lineout, with some of them using halfbacks and non-throwing hookers as lifters.
The throwing side winning the lineout, though, can then attack a short side that does not have any defenders.
This is the thing about the ELVs: they put the cleverness in skills, moves and thinking back into rugby.
Rupert Bates in his report on the Saracens-Harlequins match in the UK Telegraph observed: “We saw the tactical upshot of the ELVs within the first minute … With both backlines required to be 5m behind the scrum, there is far more space to play with and Danny Care, the Quins scrum-half, raced right from the base of the scrum, drew the skeleton cover and fed wing David Strettle for the opening try.”
Exactly.
The cleverness and skill of the players, helped by a stable scrum, was rightly rewarded.
Christopher Lyles in The Observer described London Irish’s first try as “interesting” because the Wasps used only five men to defend against the seven used by London Irish in the lineout.
Instead of putting the ball wide where the Wasps had stacked their defence, London Irish drove through the thin lineout defence to score a try.
Lyles acknowledged that the majority of the ELVs “appear fair enough.” But the ELV that rankled was allowing the defending side to pull down a maul: “absolute, complete and total madness.”
This sort of analysis raises questions about the knowledge that Lyles has of the rugby game and how much rugby in the Southern Hemisphere he actually watches.
It is a response based on a manic ideological theory rather than based on reality. He should read Shaun Edwards (and less of the Usual Suspect), and he should watch what has happened this year with the maul in the Souther Hemisphere.
Paul Ackford’s take on the same match was that Wasps were “slow to adapt to the possibilities that are created by the much-talked about ELVs” and that London Irish had a “coherence and passion throughout the side that Wasps conspicuously lacked.”
I take from this comment the admission that there is no “structure” that it is the fault of the team and its preparation, not the fault of the ELVs.
Finally, the Usual Suspect in The Sunday Times.
“Let’s play the IRB’s game by trialling the 13 ELVs and then abandon most of them,” he told his readers.
Closed-minded, moi?
The Northern Hemisphere game was “too appealing” to be forced into jeopardy by a few IRB “experts” (the Usual Suspect’s punctuation).
Rod Macqueen et al, not experts?
Then in his match report on the Harlequins-Saracens match, he accused the referee Wayne Barnes of “interrupting the action with a whistling concerto.”
Apparently, the IRB has ordered referees to be stricter at the break-down, and Barnes, who is a barrister in real life and an extremely officious referee, was only too happy to oblige.
The Usual Suspect followed this up by defending Barnes (“he is acting on orders”) and blaming the IRB for not ordering the crackdown on infringements at the ruck and maul two years ago.
The point about all this is that the full-arm penalty is so draconian in the hurly-burly of the ruck and maul, when it is often difficult to decide who infringed first, that referees over a period of time tend to restrict the flow of penalties (except when ordered not to).
Also, teams knowing this then tend to defy the referee to penalise them by continually infringing.
I hesitate, but only for a second, to mention that this is what happened in the 2007 RWC semi-final, France-New Zealand at Cardiff, when Barnes refused to penalise France in the second half even once, even though France was blatantly playing the ball on the ground to slow down the All Black attacks.
The point about the short-arm penalty ELV is that it enables the referee to penalise offending sides – but not too harshly if they make mistakes – while allowing the game to flow.
Is it too much to hope that some of these insights into the zen of the ELVs will become apparent to some of the more influential rugby writers who have the bully pulpit to affect the thinking – often for the worse, unfortunately – of the rugby public in the UK?
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September 10th 2008 @ 11:40am
Colin N said | September 10th 2008 @ 11:40am | Report comment
LeftArmSpinner,
From what I’ve seen both in the Southern Hemisphere and the relatively short period in the north is that they don’t open up the game. What were the ELV’s meant to do in the first place. These are just suggestions of what I thought might be behind the IRB reasoning.
1. Make it easier for the referees? No, the breakdown is a mess at the breakdown in the SH. Possibly once the refs get use to the laws, it might be easier, but as it stands it’s not easier.
2. Increase the number of tries scored? Various statistics have said that it doesn’t increase the amount of tries scored.
3. Ball in play for longer? Again stats show otherwise. Still pretty much equal.
4. Encourage positive play? Well it may have done that but New Zealand beat Australia using simple, structured rugby much like the old laws really, as did most of the GP teams this weekend. it’s still possible to play ‘negative’ rugby using the ELV’s.
Any other suggestions and i’m happy to argue for or against the introduction of the ELV’s.
September 10th 2008 @ 11:57am
fanciful said | September 10th 2008 @ 11:57am | Report comment
1. It is easier for the refs but they are learning too. personaly, a few short arms and then a yellow card is the best way to go. no more infringements at breakdown, too expensive. the breakdown is always a mess, its the beauty and uniqueness of the game. having said that, some 3N games have seen quick ball until a player is isolated and then the defenders counterruck. good tactic, as long as the attack doesnt make too much ground.
It is better for the ref because he doesnt decide the result with penalties.
2 and 3: Don’t know about the stats. It is logical that a quick tap is faster than a line kick and a lineout and not kicking out from 22 means that the ball is in play more.
4. As regards positive play, everyone is still learning. 5 metres at scrum time encourages positive play.
Simple structured play always works, Test matches will always be more structured. Nature of the players and the time they have to train and learn the structures.
ELVs or not.
ELVS evolve the game, rather than revolutionise it. correctly so.
As always, those most ignored in the debate will eventually have the greatest say, the players and the spectators.
September 10th 2008 @ 12:06pm
Roger said | September 10th 2008 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
Colin,
I thought it was pretty clear that the main intention of the ELV’s was for less time at stoppages and to keep the ball in play longer. I thought the S14 and 3N stats clearly showed that the ball is in play longer (albeit significant periods being kicked back and forth but still better than being in a stoppage) and there was less time for kickers to stand over balls and ponder life before kicking one of many penalties. Whether tries are scored or not is really irrelevant.
I agree with some that giving a team the ‘option’ of a tap is a great change, and its the GP’s loss that it isnt being trialled. What needs to be remembered is that IF a team wants to scrummage its way down the field without taking taps, it can. I dont think the ELV dictate an unstructured style of play to be played, but rather they prevent one team’s style from dictating another. i.e you can have one team taking many tap and go’s and another taking scrum after scrum. Undee the old rules I thought that if a team wanted to infringe enough then they could slow the game down to their pace and prevent tries and concede goals.
Lets imagine a game between Wallabies an England. Wllabies could keep tapping and going to prevent scrums when they have the ball to try and tire ENG tight 5 out. When ENG got ball, they could slow it down, scrum and kick and play their way. Intriguing stuff. If ENG played ARG then I am sure the game would be a scrummagers dream..see everyone is happy now.
I dont think anyone wants a game of sevens, but at least the possibility of a battle between styles would add significant intrigue to a game.
I think the only addition, as suggested by many others, to the ‘realistic’ rules would be to instruct refs to issue early yellow card players who lay over ball. Tackling techniques would have to be modified, and would there have to be careful consideration to ‘how’ a team might safely flood a ruck without losing a man to the bin.
I for one think the ELV in totality are a cynical expercise by the IRB to implent a set of rules neither NH or SH truly like, but both will feel they achived a partial victoy and can go back to their unions saying they achieved a compromised victory.
What is the biggest concern is that the rules are a very convoluted way of trying to fix the problems caused by outlawing rucking, the perfect way of ensuring an atatcking team can get quick ball, giving defensive teams a chance to get a turnover or slow it down, and keeping refs out of the game. Oh well.
September 10th 2008 @ 12:10pm
Ian in NZ said | September 10th 2008 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
..”Against Samoa, the All Blacks used a lot of rolling mauls, something I expect them to do at Brisbane if they get the chance.
The point about allowing the maul to be pulled down is that it gives a defence against the maul, where under the ‘old’ laws there is none at present.”…
UTTER LIES. The use it or loose rule works just fine pre ELVs, and when this was introduced you loved it. And now its mud! Mate you should write for political campaigns, cause the truth is not need there also !
September 10th 2008 @ 12:28pm
Colin N said | September 10th 2008 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
Roger, to be honest all we can do at the moment is debate. I’m not sure what you say about Eng v Aus matches would be true but it would certainly be an intresting prospect. We’ll really find out what happens when the GP gets into full swing and the players learn the the rules properly. I fully agree that most of the ELV’s should have been trialled up here but I don’t think the ELV’s have had an overwelmingly positive effect on Southern Hemisphere rugby, in my opinion. The players, coaches and the SH fans have given their stamp of approval but they would because you were the ones wanting change anyway.
September 10th 2008 @ 12:53pm
Roger said | September 10th 2008 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
Colin, do you think any changes were needed to rugby given that since rucking was outlawed the flow of the game appears to have suffered?
September 10th 2008 @ 2:46pm
stuff happens said | September 10th 2008 @ 2:46pm | Report comment
I don’t have a problem with the ELV’s it’s just that I can’t see it’s made much of an improvement to rugby this season in the SH.Sorry, but for me much ado about pretty little.
September 10th 2008 @ 3:15pm
ohtani's jacket said | September 10th 2008 @ 3:15pm | Report comment
I’m with you, stuff happens.
Too much talk about what the ELVs do in theory and not enough discussion about what they do in practice.
September 10th 2008 @ 3:56pm
Peter K said | September 10th 2008 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
I disagree on the analysis of the maul pre and post ELV.
Pre ELV of course you could stop the rolling maul, it took execution and skill, and committed forwards hence opening up the space out wide.
Post ELV you do not need as many people to bring down a maul and hence less space out wide.
Also while there have been some rolling mauls under ELV’s there have been less. Most noticably in the TN’s ALL attempted mauls from lineouts 5 metres out were pulled down such that they were no longer attempted. The possibility of mauls scoring from 5 metre lineouts was always intriguing, interesting and added variation and suspense. This is no longer the case in the TN’s under the ELV’s, and thus making the game poorer.
I am for the rest of the ELV’s and it is a shame that the short arm ELV was not used in the NH.
Of course it does allow a cheaters charter BUT as has been said by myself and others before this is easily fixed by mandatory use of yellow cards for repeated ruck infringements.
September 10th 2008 @ 9:28pm
Mart said | September 10th 2008 @ 9:28pm | Report comment
Spiro – racist tosh once again (sadly I’ve come to expect nothing better from you). Of course the NH are not going to be as gung ho about the ELVs as the NH. And the SH Oct / Nov tour of the NH is likely to produce some big wins (you read it hear first….). But the NH will cotton on and use the ELVs to their advantage. Yoy only need to look at this season’s 3Ns to see how teams that get the “rules” right prosper. So any rugger bugger would pray for common rules that we could all judge teams against. Definitvely. Oh, and journalists without your racist bias too…..