Put the red marker pen through Brownlow ineligible players
By Bruce Walkley, 24 Sep 2008 Bruce Walkley is a Roar Pro
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- Adam Cooney, Adam Goodes, Brownlow Medal, Buddy Franklin

It’s time to stop awarding Brownlow Medal votes to players after they become ineligible to win it.
Umpires should be given a red marker pen before each game and use it to put a line in the Football Record through all players who have been ruled out in earlier matches, like Buddy Franklin and Adam Goodes were this year.
Why? Because the three votes Franklin got from umpires Simon Meredith, Scott McLaren and Ray Chamberlain in Hawthorn’s game against the Brisbane Lions at York Park in round 19 could well have cost Lions champion Simon Black a second medal to add to the one he won in 2002.
Black, who finished one behind the Western Bulldogs’ Adam Cooney on Monday night, polled his 23 votes in eight of the first 16 games (he missed round seven) and didn’t score in the remaining six.
But consider this: when the Hawks played the Lions in round 19, the votes went to Franklin (3), Cyril Rioli (2) and Stuart Dew (1) in a one-sided game that Hawthorn won by 69 points, 16.14 (110) to 5.11 (41).
One reputable list of best players in that game disagreed with the umps by naming Dew as only the Hawks’ sixth-best player, in a cast of thousands, behind Franklin, Rioli, Luke Hodge, Cameron Stokes and Sam Mitchell.
The same list, not surprisingly in view of the score, deemed only four Lions players worthy of mention – Black, Jared Brennan, Travis Johnstone and Luke Power, in that order.
And it’s not all that unusual for the best player in a team that gets thrashed to be rated the third-best overall.
So if ineligible players had been barred from receiving votes, the top three players probably would have been Rioli, Dew and either Hodge, Stokes or Black (Mitchell was also ineligible).
If Black had got the nod for that one vote it would have been enough to give him another medal, as he would have finished tied on 24 votes with Cooney.
Franklin, who became ineligible after round 12, also got one vote in round 15 against the Sydney Swans and three in round 18 against Collingwood, so he should have finished with 13 votes instead of being sixth on 20.
Goodes, unable to win after round 11, picked up two votes against Fremantle in round 19, so should have finished with 19 votes, tied with Geelong’s Joel Selwood, instead of 21.
Apart from Black, plenty of other players would have picked up votes along the way if errant players had been ruled out from the time they became ineligible.
That said, it wasn’t much of a surprise to me that Cooney won.
I had a gut feeling that the winner would come from the Bulldogs, as there were too many Geelong and Hawthorn players taking votes from each other, and Gary Ablett missed three games at a vital time.
When my wife asked me just before the count started who would win, I nominated Ryan Griffen, whom I also picked in a nationwide tipping contest, but said I thought Cooney might cost him the medal by taking a few top votes for some outstanding performances.
Griffen started like a house on fire, with six votes after four rounds, but faded to total 10 up to round 14. He missed the following week’s game and didn’t score again.
The Brownlow night tribute to retired dual medallist Robert Harvey was a nice touch, and brought the staggering observation that there are 173 AFL-listed players who weren’t born when he played his first game in 1988 at the age of 16.
It was no surprise to hear that the St Kilda coach who threw him in at the deep end that day was Darrel Baldock.
The Doc was given his baptism of fire in official senior football for Tasmanian club East Devonport at the same age, after playing in a practice game when he was 12.
East’s coach was Lindsay Webb, one of the best Tasmanian footballers never to play in the VFL/AFL.
Baldock, who reportedly isn’t in the best of health these days, turns 70 next Monday. Happy birthday, Doc.
And a pat on the back to the AFL and Channel Ten for allowing Fox’s Main Event channel to air the Brownlow count live in NSW and Queensland. Pity about those finals games, though. Maybe next year.
Premiership pick: Cats by 11, coming from nine down at three-quarter-time. Last week 1 from 2 (never again, Saints), total so far 118/183.
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Mick of Newie said | September 24th 2008 @ 7:59am | Report comment
ridiculous suggestion.
Rich_daddy said | September 24th 2008 @ 8:54am | Report comment
The whole point of the Brownlow is that it is the BEST and FAIREST. You cannot have one without the other. If you put a red line through ineligible players, then it takes the credit away from the person who ends up with the Brownlow. Also it is rare that the player who receives the highest number of brownlow votes, is ineligible because of suspension. The only time this happened in recent history is when Corey McKernarn was cost the brownlow by a dubious suspension I think in 1996. The votes should go to thes best three players on the day, regardless of whether they are ineligible. Otherwise it makes a mockery of the best and fairest process.
Redb said | September 24th 2008 @ 9:15am | Report comment
Too many people want to mess with tradition. everyone knows the rules, you get suspended there goes your Brownlow chances.
There are ample other awards like the AFLPA MVP, media awards,etc for the ‘best’ players to win as subjective as that is.
Redb
Pippinu said | September 24th 2008 @ 9:25am | Report comment
You have to be amongst the best three players to get a vote on the day – end of story – that Black may have missed out by a vote is hardly grounds to reconsider the whole shebang.
Michael C said | September 24th 2008 @ 9:27am | Report comment
Ah, but then those votes NOT awarded will go to someone less deserving on the day.
Each day is judged in isolation,
and the winner is the who’s sum total of ‘isolated days’ is the season best – and fairest.
Absolutely fine.
And if the odd player is left to rue their indiscretions by NOT being awarded the medal despite the most votes – - then, ought not the community be pleased that there has been seen to be real consequences!!!
btw – if we wanted ‘media’ votes – - then it’s be probably a whole lot more predictable who wins, and the media seem to rely too much on superficial statistics. The 3 umpires out there, with the different views each has but the far closer ‘connection’ to the ‘vibe’ of each match – - they have a pretty good idea of who was significant in each match.
Too often as well, people look at ‘stats for’ for a midfielder and forget the direct opponent on the day.
Millster said | September 24th 2008 @ 11:27am | Report comment
I like the responses above, which are largely spot on. This suggestion is simply dumb. Are you AFL guys looking for the best? Or the best of whose left? Also how does the suggestion Bruce puts counter for the baises in counting that would occur based on WHEN a player was struck out? A player struck out late in the season could ‘soak up’ a whole heap of votes prior to their suspension, whereas a player struck out early would see their votes distributed to the ‘next best’ almost all season.
Bruce your game is down. 2 columns in a row that are not well thought out.
Now as a neutral I happen to like the idea of best and fairest, and think awards like the Brownlow and Dally M are good. But why not separate the two and have two medals? One for the most dominant player of the season irrespective of whether they have been a good or a bad boy (I’d call that medal the Brereton), and one – as it is now – for the best of the fair players.
Simple because both would be derived form the same votes. But each year you’d have a ‘genuine best’ and a ‘best and fairest’ – and some years you’d have those legends that achieve the ‘Brownlow/Brereton’ double – that is, that are the genuine best AND don’t get charged with any offences during the year.
Oh the one thing you got right Bruce was your second last paragraph. Yes indeed it is a pity that the live finals were not shown on Fox’s Main Event this year, and rather that disinterested NSW and QLD folk had to be subjected to them in FTA prime time that could have been better used showing something else that was more relevant in those markets. As you say, maybe next year…
catlover said | September 24th 2008 @ 11:42am | Report comment
Get real – the AFL is 150 years old and simplydoes not have a grasp on reality as it is today. Its ridiculous that players who have got a suspension for breaching one ot the stupid rules cannot still be considered for the Brownlow – but that said under the current rules – Bruce is spot on – Black has been hard done by.
What you guys above want is to have your cake and eat it to – it just can’t be done
hugo said | September 24th 2008 @ 11:44am | Report comment
What dreamtime are you guys living in – if someone is elimated from the running they should not recieve votes – Black should get himself a good lawyer and sue on the basis of denial of natural justice – the people running the AFL are a joke – the game will never take off with the current lot at the helm – they cannot get anything – not even their top award – right -
brissyfan said | September 24th 2008 @ 11:59am | Report comment
I agree with the above 2 – what planet are you other people on – that is why AFL will die- because all you old foggies cannot move with the times and live in ther real world
As a lions fan I am apalled that Black has been wrongly denied his second Brownlow – he was not suspended so why should he lose votes to those that were
But all this …. about best and FAIREST – is just that – do we really think that players being eliminated for one game proves they are not FAIR- if you do crawl back under the rock you came from and stay there
Millster said | September 24th 2008 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
Um – hugo – and I say this as a lover of football not AFL – the game HAS ‘taken off’, in a way that no other sport has at domestic level in this country. Just check comparative live attendances and the value of their TV rights to see for yourself – they are numbers that NRL, Super 14 and football would each dream of at the moment. So without being someone that would usually stick up passionately for AFL myself, I think your broad swipe is a bit silly. The AFL does pretty damn well for what it is.