Comments on: Yankee Stadium sport’s most iconic ground? No way

By: danny

danny — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:06:28 +0000

i think to call something ’sport’s most iconic ground’, it would have to be iconic to the most people. with that in mind, you’d be hard-pressed to go beyond football, purely in terms of international recognition. wembley, camp nou, san siro, azteca, maracana - these are internationally recognised icons. lords and the ‘g are iconic in cricketing circles (the latter also with afl fans), but unfortunately these circles do not spread far. similarly, while yankee stadium is quite well known (likewise madison square garden), their appeal is limited outside the states.

for my mind, wembley is far and away the most iconic stadium ni world sport. the mcg is right up there, it has an absolutely stellar history. regarding the scg, though, i’m going to have to disagree with you. i can’t imagine it having the iconic status outside australia.

By: chris

chris — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:39:11 +0000

Concord Stadium is up there.

By: Dublin Dave

Dublin Dave — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:20:57 +0000

I don’t hold with the premise that a ground has to host several different sports to be considered “iconic”. Such status should not necessarily belong to a Jack of all trade but to a master of one.

I’ve never been to Australia (yet) so I can’t comment on any of those grounds. I also find it interesting to note that most of the people who have actually been to Wembley, especially the old one, say it was a dump and they’re quite right. It was an inaccessible badly appointed dung heap with poor sight lines and which attracted a pretty shoddy clientele. Having a few pretty towers on top didn’t change that. The nearest train station was about half an hour’s walk away and trying to drive to it was a nightmare.

Personal favourites for me would be Parc des Princes in Paris, the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, the Nou Camp in Barcelona, the Olympic Stadium in Munich and I share a soft and unashamedly parochial spot for Lansdowne Road in Dublin.

The Nou Camp is the most stupendous amphitheatre I have ever seen. Although I haven’t actually attended a match there, what it must be like when full is awesome.

Parc des Princes was small by international standards but a complete bear pit. A uniform oval stadium with magnificent concentrated noise. I was there once to see France absolutely murder Ireland and the crowd were on fire. We like to see close contests; the French love to watch massacres, especially when it’s their boys behaving with the panache of a Parisian dancing troop. I reckon they’d pay to watch a firing squad.

In my student days of summer working in Munich I would head up to the Olympiastadion to watch Bayern play their early season games. The distinctive spider’s web architecture STILL looks futuristic nearly 40 years after it was built. Sadly it’s inflexibility meant that they couldn’t extend the capacity of the ground and so Bayern have now moved to a larger stadium.

Both the Millennium Stadium and Lansdowne Road have the advantage of being close to their respective city centres which adds a wonderful ambience not just to the stadiums but to the host cities themselves. you cannot be in Cardiff or Dublin the day of a big match and now know that it’s on. The whole town gets swamped with atmosphere.

At present, the Millennium Stadium is by far the better one. Bigger, all seated with a flexible roof and bang in the middle of town. Sadly, it’s accessibility to Cardiff does not match Cardiff’s accessibility to the visiting public. There is a dire shortage of accommodation in the city which means that much of the advantage of the ground, for a visitor anyway, is lost.

The old Lansdowne Road was a ramshackle old place saved by the general good humour of the crowd and the fact that you could tumble out of it into a host of nearby bars. Hopefully the new place, which I’m happy to report as I live within earshot is flying up, will solve some of the nightmarish problems of getting access thanks to railway level crossings and badly situated turnstiles. If it can maintain the atmosphere while upgrading the facilities to the 21st century, helped by its fantastic location it could remain one of the best places to attend a rugby match.

But of course I’m biased.

By: kick to kick

kick to kick — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:52:56 +0000

I too love the SCG. It’s probably my favourite place to watch sport. But this is a Sydney-centric view, and one built on the esoteric sports of cricket and rugby league. The Sydney blinkers are there too in the remarkable ommission in Spiro’s praise for the ground’s history, of Tony Lockett kicking the goal at the Paddington end that made him the greatest Australian rules football goal kicker of all time, - as big an Australian sporting moment as any. Internationally neither baseball nor cricket grounds can claim the global passion reserved for football. So the late Wembley stadium probably wins.

By: Mart

Mart — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:51:14 +0000

Sheekwise - why was it a huge shock to everyone ? It should be evident to scholars of history by now that ugly looking teams from places where black is the predominant, favoured colour usually lose when they are overwhelmingly expected to triumph. Just look at the All Blacks in the RWC for the last 20 years……that’s the sole reason that Lord of the Rings was filmed in NZ….aledgedly……..humbly yours / Gollum

By: sheek

sheek — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:08:30 +0000

For putting the fear up opponents, the Sauron Memorial Ground (SMG) in Mordor, was one hell of a scary place.

The Orcs only ever lost once at home, & that was a huge shock to everyone, not least themselves. People say it was the ‘one ring trick’ that did them in.

By: LeftArmSpinner

LeftArmSpinner — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:32:16 +0000

Wembley cant count ’cause they pulled it down. It was great, no doubt. I watched the RL World Cup final from the corp area in the roof. Two tiers of seating, behind glass, on half way and literally at the field edge of the roof. amazing view of Steve renouf scoring the winning try.

Twickenham is good put not great. Parc De Princes is right up there.

Wallythefly, great humour…… love it.

It is more about those still standing and in close to their original incarnation. Madison Square Garden would be up there.

By: Ian Noble

Ian Noble — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:47:00 +0000

Dave

Baa-Baas v Aus, 3rd Dec evening kick off 7.45 am, presumably beamed to OZ early morning 4th Dec (Oz time).

Wembley would not get my vote although I have been there on a couple of occasions , It is a brand new stadium with an excellent design which is replicated in stadia in OZ, afterall OZ architects designed the main stadium with Foster adding the arch.

By: Dave

Dave — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:11:19 +0000

BTW Forgot to mention in earlier post Wembley also has held NFL regular season fixtures and later this year l believe the Barbarians will be playing there.
As Chris said Wembley 1st and daylight 2nd. MCG in the top 3.

By: Ian Noble

Ian Noble — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:56:36 +0000

Spiro

I would say Lords “The cathedral of cricket” would get my vote. Whilst others are good calls there are very few which still have an iconic pavilion of the age and stature of the Lords pavilion, with its long room and the old buffers of the MCC falling asleep on the seats.

By the way, Mart , as for cottages, don’t forget Fulham’s ground with the original Craven Cottage still part of the ground. It is now listed and can not be demolished or moved from the site. I would also agree with Bath but it is too small and urgently Bath need to redevelope or relocate away from the centre of Bath.

By: chris

chris — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:42:44 +0000

Wembley first daylight second.

Parc des princess must also get a mention.

By: Phil Coorey

Phil Coorey — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:20:41 +0000

It should be remembered that Steinbrenner wore down Yankee Stadium to weasel his way to a new one - like I said - scumbag.

By: Mart

Mart — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:48:24 +0000

Gents - surely beauty is in the eye of the beerholder on this one ? I’ve been to a fair few of the grounds mentioned above (Wemb, Twick, CAP, Millen, SCG, MCG, Lords etc etc). I’m a member at the MCG and it’s a sensational stadium (as opposed to the run down dump Wembley used to be before rebuilt - akin to how Spiro describes Yenkee). But I’ve had great experiences / memories of all stadiums across a range of sports / entertainment events. Almost impossible to single one out. As a rugger-bugger my 2 personal faves are Bath’s ground in the West Counrty in England (surely one of the prettiest anywhere ? And sadly under threat, see http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/sep/29/bath.worcesterrugby) and internationally the old Lansdowne Road in Dublin (complete with house in one corner !) which has sadly bitten the dust now. I think I get Spiro’s drift though - most “big” stadiums (Stadium Australia, Wembley, Stade de France, Murrayfield) are indetikit these days and geared for events rather than a specific sport. Hard to combine pretty, compact stadium with multi events these days (for example, there will never be another Bledisloe at the SCG - too few seats for bums to max the revenue).

By: Brad

Brad — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:00:20 +0000

Soccer = Wembly
Rugby = Twickenham
Cricket = Lords
Gladiators = Collesium

The MCG will not be as kindly remembered in 1000 years as these iconic stadiums. In time the Millenium stadium may surpass Twickenham but only if the welsh beat the All Blacks there.

By: Michael C

Michael C — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:36:33 +0000

Redb -

on this one, sometimes I figure the test would be to collect all the Googlemaps satellite images of the venues, and make a montage of the 10 or 20 in question, and test out a sample audience,

in Australia, one venue that is instantly recogniseable is Telstra Dome………….I know it’s only one measure,

note - the MCG the last time I looked at C’wealth games runnning track and ‘blue’ decoration!!!!

Yankee Stadium kinda holds up……….for me I recall it via Billy Joel live at Yankee Stadium!!!!

By: Redb

Redb — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:10:17 +0000

In terms of pure icon status in Australia it has to be the MCG. Special mention to the SCG and Adelaide Oval both great cricket grounds. Would also throw in Flemington Racecourse as an iconic sporting arena.

In world terms, Wembley or Madison Square Garden.

Redb

By: Mick of Newie

Mick of Newie — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 02:35:38 +0000

And don’t forget dog racing fans!!

What about the Azteca in Mexico, Pele and Maradona won world cups there and Maradona scored both the greatest world cup goal and the most notorious world cup goal.

For me multi use stadiums are usually by necessity compromised. The SCG is not the greatest cricket, rugby or league grounds, it is an icon but only in a myopic world is ti the most iconic.

By: ohtani's jacket

ohtani's jacket — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 02:25:37 +0000

I don’t see how the SCG is iconic outside of Australia and countries that play cricket. Personally I think Madison Square Garden is more iconic than Yankee Stadium, but both venues are more famous than Lords or the SCG.

By: Michael C

Michael C — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 02:15:33 +0000

Millster -

don’t forget that the MCG compared to WEmbley -

MCG has hosted the Olympics, Commonwealth Games, Test Cricket (and it’s biggest crowds), Rugby Union, RUgby League (in many cases setting at least at the time records either in Aust or the world), soccer (inc WC qualifiers, Olympic matches and hugely supported one off matches) as well as the AFL/VFL. Concerts to a lesser extent, but I saw Billy and Elton at the ‘G.

SO, it doesn’t really pale compared to Wembley which relies mostly upon it’s meaning to Soccer fans………..oh………and Queen fans……

but - just trying to illustrate that the MCG needn’t be considered absolute daylight behind……..but, yes, the Commonwealth countries vs non C’wealth countries is the dividing line.

By: Millster

Millster — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:43:33 +0000

Spiro - while I love the SCG too, surely not. Even in Australia, for reasons of football, AFL and cricket I’d go the MCG.

But both those get comprehensively trumped by:

Wembley (as mentioned before)
the San Siro
Madison Square Gardens
Wimbledon
St Andrews
just to name a few…

and as an architectural icon the Beijing Olympic stadium takes the cake as it will be instantly recognisable even to non sports lovers

By: James Ward

James Ward — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:40:31 +0000

It depends on your own taste for sport - I lob\ve soccer so my vote is for Wembley. The name alone evkes so much history

By: Dave

Dave — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:33:24 +0000

There’s a lot to choose from here, Wembley Stadium to me is untouchable for history, number of big matches held there but the old stadium was a hole and not good for watching games and i’m glad they pulled it down.

Yankee Stadium would be up there but i’d say the MCG would run Wembley close in the ‘iconic’ category

By: Phil Coorey

Phil Coorey — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:23:42 +0000

I hate the Yankees and everything about the scumbags. Watching them wave goodbye to the Yankee Stadium and not make the playoffs is only matched by the Red Sox winning two world series since 2004. They say the place has been there since 1923 but it was totally rebuilt in the seventies - so the hype is a little unwarranted in some minds.

However Spiro, you should also remember that Yankee stadium also hosted some very important boxing matches and gridiron games (including the game of the century between Army and Notre Dame in 1946)

Fenway & Wrigley are way better anyway

Go Sox

By: Wallythefly

Wallythefly — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:20:42 +0000

Can’t believe nobody has mentioned ANZ….

By: Michael C

Michael C — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:01:07 +0000

Question -
does the venue need to retain it’s historic ‘buildings’

does the history of activity allow a regularly rebuilt venue to retain and perhaps enhance it’s reputation?

That’s simply I guess the SCG vs MCG equation.

I can’t speak too greatly for venues overseas…………as, I figure for each venue has it’s own story and is probably judged by how it has established a place within it’s ‘community’ beyond simply a given sport or sport in general.

Certainly for Melbourne, and the history of the city, it’s ‘home evolved’ footy code and the like - - the ‘paddock that grew’ - - it doens’t matter so much the name of the stands, or the construction date - - it’s the location, that paddock - - in Melbourne that is so important and the parklands surrounding it including trees that stood as goals for some of the original games of Melbourne Rules footy.

By: Dave

Dave — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:55:59 +0000

Redb

Back in the early 1970s l would have been with you on that Stood on the open terrances in all conditions.

Spiro
Obviously a very personal subjective choice and thats fine but…for me it has to be Wembley in London. An Olympics, a World Cup final and WC matches, European Football Championships Incl final 1996, European Cup finals, Cup Winners Cup Final, Rugby League Challenge Cup finals, Rugby Union Tests, FA Cup finals (from 1923) and Semi Finals, League Cup Finals, England Internationals, a record attendance of 123,000 (unofficially 170,000 The White Horse Cup Final 1923), Grey Hound Racing, Schoolboys football are just the events. It is the most expensive ground ever built (twice). The players who have graced the stage in performance are too many to mention in full but a few…Pele, Beckham, Cryuff, Maradona, Eusebio, Charlton, Matthews, Best and many hundreds/thousnads of Olympians, Rugby/League players. It is known not just in Commonwealth countries eg SCG and MCG but the world over. It has to be the most iconic ground in the world.
In Oz easily the MCG takes that honour.

By: True Tah

True Tah — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:44:10 +0000

Would say the MCG in Australia at least - AFL, cricket, rugby, futbol, it has a long tradition too.

By: old goalie

old goalie — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:35:56 +0000

A case may be made for Old Wembley
A Football World Cup Final
Countless Fa Cups, 5 European Champions League deciders and many other internationals
the 1948 Olympics
Hundreds of Concerts Including the first Live Aid

By: Redb

Redb — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:44:50 +0000

Spiro,

Sorry, Windy Hill easily.

Redb