Comments on: Ireland need more than just luck in World Cup http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/ The Roar is a sports opinion website. We tackle sports opinion rather than simply sports news. And we embed user-generated content — in the form of articles and comments — into the fabric of the site. Featuring some of the best sports writers in Australia — including the Sydney Morning Herald's Spiro Zavos — The Roar aims to be the leading sports website in Australia. Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:03:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: oikee http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81949 oikee Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:29:38 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81949 Oh and i forgot to mention, if this happens then they can say they have improved by 100% ? well its true. :) Oh and i forgot to mention, if this happens then they can say they have improved by 100% ? well its true. :)

]]> By: oikee http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81947 oikee Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:28:24 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81947 Probably ian, so manbe your right, i can tell you there is one scottish player who is happy, and he plays in their local league. Next world cup there might be 2, :) local players. Probably ian, so manbe your right, i can tell you there is one scottish player who is happy, and he plays in their local league.

Next world cup there might be 2, :) local players.

]]> By: Ian Noble http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81886 Ian Noble Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:17:52 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81886 Oikee Accept the RLWC2008 for what it is, a tournament cobbled together for the benefit of TV. A skewed pool system designed to make sure that the top teams progress to the semis. Emphasis on the top pool to avoid the embarassment of too many mis matches. Squads bought together to give the impression that league has a wider spread than is a reality. The reality it is a glorified tri-nations tournament with bolt ons. There will be some good games and I hope England do well, but to have Ireland and Sotland as participating teams beggars belief and seriously questions the creditability of the tournament. One other point, league is not a threat to union and indeed there is more to be gained by the codes working together particularly at grassroots and school level to convert youngsters to rugby. They can then decide whether they want to play union or league. Unfortunatley league seems to have an enormous clip on it's shoulder and continually harks back to the past. What has happened has happened and league should move on and if the game is as wonderful as you say then spreading the game should not be a problem. There seems be an inbred culture of finding excuses why the game can't move forward. The classic case of the outcry when Celtic Crusaders were awarded a franchise for the reformed SL to 14 clubs away from the heartland of RL in England. Doomed to failure was the cry with Quins RLcaught up in the debate as an example of were the gates were poor compared to Widnes and Leigh in spite of being in existence for a number of years. There is a need for people of vision, but drawing a few guys out of hat and giving them a country to play for discredits the game. Oikee

Accept the RLWC2008 for what it is, a tournament cobbled together for the benefit of TV. A skewed pool system designed to make sure that the top teams progress to the semis. Emphasis on the top pool to avoid the embarassment of too many mis matches. Squads bought together to give the impression that league has a wider spread than is a reality. The reality it is a glorified tri-nations tournament with bolt ons.

There will be some good games and I hope England do well, but to have Ireland and Sotland as participating teams beggars belief and seriously questions the creditability of the tournament.

One other point, league is not a threat to union and indeed there is more to be gained by the codes working together particularly at grassroots and school level to convert youngsters to rugby. They can then decide whether they want to play union or league. Unfortunatley league seems to have an enormous clip on it’s shoulder and continually harks back to the past. What has happened has happened and league should move on and if the game is as wonderful as you say then spreading the game should not be a problem. There seems be an inbred culture of finding excuses why the game can’t move forward.

The classic case of the outcry when Celtic Crusaders were awarded a franchise for the reformed SL to 14 clubs away from the heartland of RL in England. Doomed to failure was the cry with Quins RLcaught up in the debate as an example of were the gates were poor compared to Widnes and Leigh in spite of being in existence for a number of years. There is a need for people of vision, but drawing a few guys out of hat and giving them a country to play for discredits the game.

]]> By: Alan Nicolea http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81856 Alan Nicolea Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:29:17 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81856 Oikee Samoa or Tonga. Both have potential to cause a few surprises. I Oikee

Samoa or Tonga. Both have potential to cause a few surprises. I

]]> By: oikee http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81790 oikee Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:46:32 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81790 Good, now you see how lucky football is in this country millster, you have a clean sheet to work with, league has been bogged down in every country it is and has been played, so our little wins are small but sweat, and really are not a threat to any code, including Union. Good post alan, and on the rugby league world cup site way back before the season started i had already picked tonga as the dark horse. Hope i have not jinxed them. I might go for samoa instead. :) Good, now you see how lucky football is in this country millster, you have a clean sheet to work with, league has been bogged down in every country it is and has been played, so our little wins are small but sweat, and really are not a threat to any code, including Union. Good post alan, and on the rugby league world cup site way back before the season started i had already picked tonga as the dark horse. Hope i have not jinxed them. I might go for samoa instead. :)

]]> By: Alan Nicolea http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81786 Alan Nicolea Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:43:43 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81786 Millster Good to have you on board then. Millster

Good to have you on board then.

]]> By: Millster http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81728 Millster Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:27:58 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81728 Alan - actually I'll be more positive and say I quite like the game of League and I hope it will grow. Especially as I see a merger with Union in the next 20-30 years so whoever has some power will be able to retain some culture and some of their features in that merger rather than be swamped by the other. I'm not at all anti-League and I watch maybe 6 to 10 games per year on TV and have seen a few live. My main point (as per my other article) is that it should be more creative in the way it is run. Have something else than a World Cup, get rid of so many clubs in Sydney and make the survivors really storng and sustainable, and also think about how it is promoted and run in key expansion areas. But you know what, for all my criticism I want it to do well and I think its a pretty good game. My aggro is mostly because I think the way it is currently run is not so smart, especially given its limited footprint and audience in the world. Alan - actually I’ll be more positive and say I quite like the game of League and I hope it will grow. Especially as I see a merger with Union in the next 20-30 years so whoever has some power will be able to retain some culture and some of their features in that merger rather than be swamped by the other. I’m not at all anti-League and I watch maybe 6 to 10 games per year on TV and have seen a few live. My main point (as per my other article) is that it should be more creative in the way it is run. Have something else than a World Cup, get rid of so many clubs in Sydney and make the survivors really storng and sustainable, and also think about how it is promoted and run in key expansion areas. But you know what, for all my criticism I want it to do well and I think its a pretty good game. My aggro is mostly because I think the way it is currently run is not so smart, especially given its limited footprint and audience in the world.

]]> By: Alan Nicolea http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81724 Alan Nicolea Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:18:41 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81724 Millister I too thought the Tongans were harshly done by when Anthony Tupou was called into the Australian squad. I do know for a fact football will be the world game for many years to come so you do not need to stress your points. I know!!!!!!!!! All i am saying is that League will grow. That's it. How hard is it for you guys to understand? everything has its roots and although League's roots have grown very slowly, i see the speed of international growth increasing if all nations in this world cup put their hands up - Which they will. Millister

I too thought the Tongans were harshly done by when Anthony Tupou was called into the Australian squad. I do know for a fact football will be the world game for many years to come so you do not need to stress your points. I know!!!!!!!!!

All i am saying is that League will grow. That’s it. How hard is it for you guys to understand? everything has its roots and although League’s roots have grown very slowly, i see the speed of international growth increasing if all nations in this world cup put their hands up - Which they will.

]]> By: oikee http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81713 oikee Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:15:50 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81713 I will add a small but unflattering piece to that , 107 thousand to a league final, and that was not even a world cup game, hehehe Not sure but i think thats a world record,,, Crowds are just a fundamental argument these days, if you look at a origin match then selling all tickets within 1 hour might be considered a world record, even a better point might be how many more could you have sold with-in lets say 5 hours.? There might have only been 52 thousand who wanted tickets. Not likely but who knows, and should we really care that much. The point is, if the games are good then people will watch, after all its only a game now. I also will add that the penrith crowds this year were laughable, 7-8-9 thousand, and this is a hotbed for league talent. I will add a small but unflattering piece to that , 107 thousand to a league final, and that was not even a world cup game, hehehe Not sure but i think thats a world record,,, Crowds are just a fundamental argument these days, if you look at a origin match then selling all tickets within 1 hour might be considered a world record, even a better point might be how many more could you have sold with-in lets say 5 hours.? There might have only been 52 thousand who wanted tickets. Not likely but who knows, and should we really care that much.
The point is, if the games are good then people will watch, after all its only a game now.

I also will add that the penrith crowds this year were laughable, 7-8-9 thousand, and this is a hotbed for league talent.

]]> By: Millster http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81682 Millster Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:05:12 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81682 I should also add that even looking at the first World Cup is a lesson for you League guys. 1930 Uruguay was caused due to the need for a world championship after FIFA and the IOC had major disagreements about what constituted 'amateur' status vis-a-vis olympic football as a pinnacle event. Competed by 13 teams in 4 groups - Argentina, Chile, France, Mexico, Yugoslavia, Brazil, Bolivia, Uruguay, Romania, Peru, USA, Paraguay, Belgium. No tiny island nations there you'll note, a limited group but all sizeable European or North and South American countries. Though the final was an all South-American affair, all three continents were represented right up to the semis (in which Yugoslavia and the USA were the losing teams). The final was played at the "temple of football", the Centenario, in front of 93000 people. Almost twice what the RL final will have at Suncorp 78 years later, even if Suncorp is filled to capacity which is not a given. I should also add that even looking at the first World Cup is a lesson for you League guys.

1930 Uruguay was caused due to the need for a world championship after FIFA and the IOC had major disagreements about what constituted ‘amateur’ status vis-a-vis olympic football as a pinnacle event.

Competed by 13 teams in 4 groups - Argentina, Chile, France, Mexico, Yugoslavia, Brazil, Bolivia, Uruguay, Romania, Peru, USA, Paraguay, Belgium. No tiny island nations there you’ll note, a limited group but all sizeable European or North and South American countries. Though the final was an all South-American affair, all three continents were represented right up to the semis (in which Yugoslavia and the USA were the losing teams). The final was played at the “temple of football”, the Centenario, in front of 93000 people. Almost twice what the RL final will have at Suncorp 78 years later, even if Suncorp is filled to capacity which is not a given.

]]> By: Millster http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81674 Millster Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:53:42 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81674 Alan - just a point of order. You may be right in terms of the first football world cup, but aren't we talking the 8th League World Cup and 50 years of history? Where was the FIFA tournament after 8 comps and/or 50 years? You can't pass this League comp off as something new here when you've stressed its history elsewhere. Anyway by comparison, the 8th FIFA World Cup (Switzerland 1954) had the followng features: - 45 teams entered qualification split into 3 broad groups - Europe, Americas, Asia. Notable absentee was Africa (though Egypt was represented via Europe, along with Israel). 57 qualifying matches were played - 16 teams in the finals - West Germany won 3-2 over Hungary in a classic final dubbed forever after as "The Miracle of Berne" - first full television coverage Also Alan, I do see Guy's objection. From the surface, it seems the teams have country names but sometimes not much else. The ability for Australia to "take back" a supposedly Tongan player, combined with the clearly non-local people in many teams, really throws the whole point of a national squad in doubt. Alan - just a point of order. You may be right in terms of the first football world cup, but aren’t we talking the 8th League World Cup and 50 years of history? Where was the FIFA tournament after 8 comps and/or 50 years? You can’t pass this League comp off as something new here when you’ve stressed its history elsewhere.

Anyway by comparison, the 8th FIFA World Cup (Switzerland 1954) had the followng features:

- 45 teams entered qualification split into 3 broad groups - Europe, Americas, Asia. Notable absentee was Africa (though Egypt was represented via Europe, along with Israel). 57 qualifying matches were played
- 16 teams in the finals
- West Germany won 3-2 over Hungary in a classic final dubbed forever after as “The Miracle of Berne”
- first full television coverage

Also Alan, I do see Guy’s objection. From the surface, it seems the teams have country names but sometimes not much else. The ability for Australia to “take back” a supposedly Tongan player, combined with the clearly non-local people in many teams, really throws the whole point of a national squad in doubt.

]]> By: Alan Nicolea http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81661 Alan Nicolea Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:34:09 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81661 Oikee I guess all we can do in the end mate is cast our support so League can prosper on the world stage. But in time, i think it will prosper and it will start in this years world cup. Oikee

I guess all we can do in the end mate is cast our support so League can prosper on the world stage. But in time, i think it will prosper and it will start in this years world cup.

]]> By: oikee http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81653 oikee Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:17:24 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81653 Go get them alan, welcome to league. :) its all uphill from here son but you will love the fight. :) they knock you down time and time again but like all league supporters we just brush it off and get off the canvas and come out punching. You know the most interesting fact alan, other codes would have laid down and died by now, hehehehe Go get them alan, welcome to league. :) its all uphill from here son but you will love the fight. :) they knock you down time and time again but like all league supporters we just brush it off and get off the canvas and come out punching. You know the most interesting fact alan, other codes would have laid down and died by now, hehehehe

]]> By: Alan Nicolea http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81561 Alan Nicolea Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:12:59 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81561 Guy Smile Whats the big deal man. I am only previewing all the teams chances at this world cup. Is that really a crime? If you are Irish, just support the bloody team, win or lose. It should be easy for you considering you are in a win win situation (considering Ireland are in a very tough group). The first football world cup was pointless, it was always going to be an Argentina v Uruguay affair. But now look at the tournament. Every sport has its roots mate. League has only now started to grow. Guy Smile

Whats the big deal man. I am only previewing all the teams chances at this world cup. Is that really a crime?

If you are Irish, just support the bloody team, win or lose. It should be easy for you considering you are in a win win situation (considering Ireland are in a very tough group).

The first football world cup was pointless, it was always going to be an Argentina v Uruguay affair. But now look at the tournament. Every sport has its roots mate. League has only now started to grow.

]]> By: Steffy http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81520 Steffy Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:26:13 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81520 "the sport is not played in Ireland" http://rli.ie/club-finder “the sport is not played in Ireland”

http://rli.ie/club-finder

]]> By: Guy Smiley http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81517 Guy Smiley Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:30:00 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81517 I'm Irish. These boys pulling on the green aren't. Not only do they qualify by the most tenuous of threads but the sport is not played in Ireland. They have no currency or relevance and are a shining example of what a transparent and pointless farce this comp is, just like in 2000. Austraia will win at a canter against either NZ or England but then that happens every time. I’m Irish. These boys pulling on the green aren’t. Not only do they qualify by the most tenuous of threads but the sport is not played in Ireland. They have no currency or relevance and are a shining example of what a transparent and pointless farce this comp is, just like in 2000. Austraia will win at a canter against either NZ or England but then that happens every time.

]]> By: Alan Nicolea http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81109 Alan Nicolea Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:28:53 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81109 Dublin Dave There is always hope. Hope is a good thing - if you watched the Shawshank Redemption Dublin Dave

There is always hope. Hope is a good thing - if you watched the Shawshank Redemption

]]> By: Dublin Dave http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81107 Dublin Dave Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:17:02 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81107 Alan Nicolea If you believe in the likelihood of that, you'll believe in leprechauns. Next thing you know, you'll turn into an American tourist. Be warned. ;) Alan Nicolea

If you believe in the likelihood of that, you’ll believe in leprechauns.

Next thing you know, you’ll turn into an American tourist.

Be warned. ;)

]]> By: oikee http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-81096 oikee Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:41:08 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-81096 Thank you sledge. Thank you sledge.

]]> By: alan nicolea http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-80857 alan nicolea Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:07:32 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-80857 Dublin Dave How about if you guys win the damn thing. Would that help? Dublin Dave

How about if you guys win the damn thing. Would that help?

]]> By: Dublin Dave http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-80691 Dublin Dave Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:47:29 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-80691 True Tah WRT your comment "I dont think all of the Irish league team need to go back to Ireland" Change "all" to "any" and you'd be closer to the truth. We don't play league here. Even the odd native born abberation like Carney had to go to England to play. True Tah

WRT your comment “I dont think all of the Irish league team need to go back to Ireland”

Change “all” to “any” and you’d be closer to the truth.

We don’t play league here. Even the odd native born abberation like Carney had to go to England to play.

]]> By: sledgeross http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-80637 sledgeross Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:12:08 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-80637 Actually oikee, it should be "I don't worry TOO much about spelling" ;) Actually oikee, it should be “I don’t worry TOO much about spelling” ;)

]]> By: oikee http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-80622 oikee Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:26:52 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-80622 No thats him alan, i dont worry to much about spelling, at least you know who i mean. No thats him alan, i dont worry to much about spelling, at least you know who i mean.

]]> By: Alan Nicolea http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-80603 Alan Nicolea Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:36:32 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-80603 Sledgeross Ireland do lack depth, especially with Carney and White gone. They will be hard pressed to qualify for the next round in their group. For some reason though, i still think they will be competitive. Oikee Talarki? do you mean the Wests Tigers winger Tuiaki? I am not bagging you out. I just want to know if there is a player named Talarki. Is he a rising star or something? Sledgeross

Ireland do lack depth, especially with Carney and White gone. They will be hard pressed to qualify for the next round in their group. For some reason though, i still think they will be competitive.

Oikee

Talarki? do you mean the Wests Tigers winger Tuiaki? I am not bagging you out. I just want to know if there is a player named Talarki. Is he a rising star or something?

]]> By: sledgeross http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-80592 sledgeross Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:12:05 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-80592 Thanks Cumberland, for teh line up. I rate Penckywicz from what Ive seen he has a classy look. Thanks Cumberland, for teh line up. I rate Penckywicz from what Ive seen he has a classy look.

]]> By: oikee http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-80546 oikee Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:26:32 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-80546 Not sure sledge, he might be injured but it really showed that the welsh team need to rebuild, thats why they did not make the cut, and they will rebuild no dought, dont underestimate the poms, they are very strong, the nrl players who go over there now are starting to look average compared to 5 years ago. And new zealand must be strong if they can reject moi moi and talarki. ? Not sure sledge, he might be injured but it really showed that the welsh team need to rebuild, thats why they did not make the cut, and they will rebuild no dought, dont underestimate the poms, they are very strong, the nrl players who go over there now are starting to look average compared to 5 years ago.

And new zealand must be strong if they can reject moi moi and talarki. ?

]]> By: CumberlandsAshes http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-80545 CumberlandsAshes Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:23:45 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-80545 No, Ietsyn Harris has retired from the International game. The team was pretty experimental (not to mention young) with 7 Crusaders / Crusaders Colts players in the line-up : Halley (Bradford), Gibson (Halifax), James (Crusaders), L Williams (Crusaders), R Williams (Warrington), Lennon (Crusaders), Watson (Leigh), Kopzcak (Bradford), Penkywicz (Halifax), Mills (Hull KR, capt), Flower (Crusaders), Davies (Crusaders), Bracek (Warrington). Subs: Webster (Crusaders), Griffiths (Castleford), James (Crusaders), Barron (Gateshead). Crusaders are obviously the future of the game in Wales and will form the backbone of the National team - this is the beginning of that building process. No, Ietsyn Harris has retired from the International game. The team was pretty experimental (not to mention young) with 7 Crusaders / Crusaders Colts players in the line-up :

Halley (Bradford), Gibson (Halifax), James (Crusaders), L Williams (Crusaders), R Williams (Warrington), Lennon (Crusaders), Watson (Leigh), Kopzcak (Bradford), Penkywicz (Halifax), Mills (Hull KR, capt), Flower (Crusaders), Davies (Crusaders), Bracek (Warrington). Subs: Webster (Crusaders), Griffiths (Castleford), James (Crusaders), Barron (Gateshead).

Crusaders are obviously the future of the game in Wales and will form the backbone of the National team - this is the beginning of that building process.

]]> By: sledgeross http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-80530 sledgeross Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:46:57 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-80530 I noticed the youthful Welsh team got absolutely smashed by the Poms a few days ago. DOes anyone know if Iestyn Harris is playing for them? I noticed the youthful Welsh team got absolutely smashed by the Poms a few days ago. DOes anyone know if Iestyn Harris is playing for them?

]]> By: chris http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-80513 chris Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:54:33 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-80513 i think every team outside of australia and nz needs the best of wishes. Some would even say nz. i think every team outside of australia and nz needs the best of wishes. Some would even say nz.

]]> By: oikee http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/10/14/ireland-need-more-than-luck-in-league-world-cup/#comment-80502 oikee Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:03:10 +0000 http://www.theroar.com.au/?p=11434#comment-80502 :) :)

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