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		<title>By: challa</title>
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		<dc:creator>challa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comments (sadly) stand vindicated.</description>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully Pakistan can continue to play at neutral or away venues.    Everything reasonable should be done to encourage a national side continuing.  As to today&#039;s tragedy, I am not surprised (see post from Oct above) sadly this beautiful country is under seige by terrorists who were always going to do something like this, it is the easest way to grab global attention.  ChomFa has it right.  

My condolences to the people of Pakistan and the families of the murdered policeman.  Pakistan has to combat something bigger and frankly more powerful than we cricket supporters love of a great game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully Pakistan can continue to play at neutral or away venues.    Everything reasonable should be done to encourage a national side continuing.  As to today&#8217;s tragedy, I am not surprised (see post from Oct above) sadly this beautiful country is under seige by terrorists who were always going to do something like this, it is the easest way to grab global attention.  ChomFa has it right.  </p>
<p>My condolences to the people of Pakistan and the families of the murdered policeman.  Pakistan has to combat something bigger and frankly more powerful than we cricket supporters love of a great game.</p>
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		<title>By: Andystath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andystath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turning Pakistan cricket into the pariah of the international game isn&#039;t going to solve the problem.The people that you&#039;ll be punishing are that nations cricket lovers not the terrorists or jihadists.One of my mates tells a great story about when he was working in Pakistan,he had a few hours to kill in between meeting and was on his way back to his hotel with his driver and bodyguard,he spotted a heap of kids playing cricket and got out and spent the afternoon bowling and batting in there version of backyard cricket.At the end when he had to leave the kids gave him a standing ovation.This story to me always represents the power of sport as a unifying force overcoming language,cultural and religious differences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turning Pakistan cricket into the pariah of the international game isn&#8217;t going to solve the problem.The people that you&#8217;ll be punishing are that nations cricket lovers not the terrorists or jihadists.One of my mates tells a great story about when he was working in Pakistan,he had a few hours to kill in between meeting and was on his way back to his hotel with his driver and bodyguard,he spotted a heap of kids playing cricket and got out and spent the afternoon bowling and batting in there version of backyard cricket.At the end when he had to leave the kids gave him a standing ovation.This story to me always represents the power of sport as a unifying force overcoming language,cultural and religious differences.</p>
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		<title>By: ChomFa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChomFa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dead right, Gavin. Sadly it takes events like this to stir a lot of people from their apathy and blindness. &quot;Islamisation&quot; is a well stated goal  across the &quot;Ummah&quot; - (muslim nation and society)- and it does not recognise fripperies like cricket. Jihad is deadly, folks.There is a mindset behind this madness that most of us cannot grasp, but that does not make it less real. Crazy or not, jihadists believe differently to us. Best advise is to isolate them and the countries that incubate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dead right, Gavin. Sadly it takes events like this to stir a lot of people from their apathy and blindness. &#8220;Islamisation&#8221; is a well stated goal  across the &#8220;Ummah&#8221; &#8211; (muslim nation and society)- and it does not recognise fripperies like cricket. Jihad is deadly, folks.There is a mindset behind this madness that most of us cannot grasp, but that does not make it less real. Crazy or not, jihadists believe differently to us. Best advise is to isolate them and the countries that incubate them.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Coorey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Coorey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 06:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No team will play there again - good.</description>
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		<title>By: Gavin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The events of today hopefully shuts up Geoff Lawson for a while. Terrorism does not follow logical and rational patterns.</description>
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		<title>By: ChomFa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChomFa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I admire Geoff Lawson (and have done so for many years, Henry) his &quot;take&quot; on this situation is, sadly  and dangerously, well short of acurate. There are several reputable sources which report terrorist organisations - most notably Laskar e-Toiba  but also some other fringe groups claiming affiliation with AQ- who have publicly stated that International cricketers are a &quot;legitimate&quot; target.
I have been writing about terrorism and the ideology that inspires it, since 9/11. The posturing for &quot;position&quot;, some insane sense of &quot;legitimacy&quot;, a grab for &quot;hearts and minds&quot;; one of those motivations will drive one group or another to make an attempt. I am not the type to readily indulge in hyperbole. The ebb and flow of terrorist activities goes hand in hand with political demands. Terror is the iron fist that underlines all of the political manouverings in Islamic lands - no sense denying it.
I feel sure that it is a case of &quot;when&quot;, not &quot;if&quot;...... mores the pity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I admire Geoff Lawson (and have done so for many years, Henry) his &#8220;take&#8221; on this situation is, sadly  and dangerously, well short of acurate. There are several reputable sources which report terrorist organisations &#8211; most notably Laskar e-Toiba  but also some other fringe groups claiming affiliation with AQ- who have publicly stated that International cricketers are a &#8220;legitimate&#8221; target.<br />
I have been writing about terrorism and the ideology that inspires it, since 9/11. The posturing for &#8220;position&#8221;, some insane sense of &#8220;legitimacy&#8221;, a grab for &#8220;hearts and minds&#8221;; one of those motivations will drive one group or another to make an attempt. I am not the type to readily indulge in hyperbole. The ebb and flow of terrorist activities goes hand in hand with political demands. Terror is the iron fist that underlines all of the political manouverings in Islamic lands &#8211; no sense denying it.<br />
I feel sure that it is a case of &#8220;when&#8221;, not &#8220;if&#8221;&#8230;&#8230; mores the pity.</p>
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		<title>By: challa</title>
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		<dc:creator>challa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IF I understand this correctly, the argument goes like this: because cricket is played in a country such as Sri Lanka which has been at civil war for ages then it is ok to play in Pakistan.

My first year statistics teacher would take great umbrage at the logic in this statement.

I would also suggest there is empirical evidence to support the notion that Pakistan is one helluva place to visit. For instance, Pakistan makes the Forbes top ten list of dangerous places on the planet to visit. The journalist Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and executed in Pakistan. Newseek recently rated Pakistan as more dangerous than Iran. Not to mention the on and off war with India and its military dictatorship of some 40 on and off years.

Henry, it is not the gora who are the problem here. This is a real dangerous place and denying that would be a dangerous act in itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IF I understand this correctly, the argument goes like this: because cricket is played in a country such as Sri Lanka which has been at civil war for ages then it is ok to play in Pakistan.</p>
<p>My first year statistics teacher would take great umbrage at the logic in this statement.</p>
<p>I would also suggest there is empirical evidence to support the notion that Pakistan is one helluva place to visit. For instance, Pakistan makes the Forbes top ten list of dangerous places on the planet to visit. The journalist Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and executed in Pakistan. Newseek recently rated Pakistan as more dangerous than Iran. Not to mention the on and off war with India and its military dictatorship of some 40 on and off years.</p>
<p>Henry, it is not the gora who are the problem here. This is a real dangerous place and denying that would be a dangerous act in itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to echo Millster&#039;s welcome to Geoff Lawson.

I fully appreciate the sympathies behind Geoff&#039;s article, but I have to agree with dasilva&#039;s simple rebuttal of the &quot;zero risk&quot; strategy. Just as the NZ cricketers in 2002 were following Geoff&#039;s three rules, so too were the people at the Islamabad Marriott a month ago. Indeed, the original Champions Trophy schedule had international cricketers staying at that very hotel on that very night.

The best text that I read on the cancellation of the Champions Trophy was the following by Sambit Bal on cricinfo. I don&#039;t think it requires any commentary:

&quot;Living in the shadow of the bomb has become a way of life on the subcontinent, so much so that it would be impossible to carry on otherwise. But is it fair to expect the same level of detachment and equanimity from those accustomed to a different way of life? However exaggerated their fears may be, and however ill-informed the security advice may be, the allowance for a different perception must be made and respected.

After all, cricketers are neither diplomats nor soldiers; is it reasonable to expect them to put the game, and the misfortune of another cricket board, above concerns over their personal well-being? Many of these players are heroes on the field but few aspire to heroism in life outside it, and they shouldn&#039;t be judged for it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to echo Millster&#8217;s welcome to Geoff Lawson.</p>
<p>I fully appreciate the sympathies behind Geoff&#8217;s article, but I have to agree with dasilva&#8217;s simple rebuttal of the &#8220;zero risk&#8221; strategy. Just as the NZ cricketers in 2002 were following Geoff&#8217;s three rules, so too were the people at the Islamabad Marriott a month ago. Indeed, the original Champions Trophy schedule had international cricketers staying at that very hotel on that very night.</p>
<p>The best text that I read on the cancellation of the Champions Trophy was the following by Sambit Bal on cricinfo. I don&#8217;t think it requires any commentary:</p>
<p>&#8220;Living in the shadow of the bomb has become a way of life on the subcontinent, so much so that it would be impossible to carry on otherwise. But is it fair to expect the same level of detachment and equanimity from those accustomed to a different way of life? However exaggerated their fears may be, and however ill-informed the security advice may be, the allowance for a different perception must be made and respected.</p>
<p>After all, cricketers are neither diplomats nor soldiers; is it reasonable to expect them to put the game, and the misfortune of another cricket board, above concerns over their personal well-being? Many of these players are heroes on the field but few aspire to heroism in life outside it, and they shouldn&#8217;t be judged for it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Millster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Millster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just thrilled that &#039;Henry&#039; is part of the Roar crew and want to say a big welcome from the humble punters like us. I&#039;ve become rather jaded of cricket lately, but my fondest memories are of watching this fine sir and the rest of the Alan Border guys from the 1980s while growing up on the west coast. We&#039;d regularly come back from a morning of surfing as kids to watch Henry, along with McDermott, Hughes, Alderman and others take it to whoever was against us... at least insofar as we could make out on some dodgy grainy TV in a Margaret River holiday house!

So welcome Geoff, we are happy and humbled to have you in our midst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just thrilled that &#8216;Henry&#8217; is part of the Roar crew and want to say a big welcome from the humble punters like us. I&#8217;ve become rather jaded of cricket lately, but my fondest memories are of watching this fine sir and the rest of the Alan Border guys from the 1980s while growing up on the west coast. We&#8217;d regularly come back from a morning of surfing as kids to watch Henry, along with McDermott, Hughes, Alderman and others take it to whoever was against us&#8230; at least insofar as we could make out on some dodgy grainy TV in a Margaret River holiday house!</p>
<p>So welcome Geoff, we are happy and humbled to have you in our midst.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back Melon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bring Back Melon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a crock!

You think the sort of people that blow up innocent civilians - women and children - holidaying in Bali or where will give baulk at blowing up these people because the play cricket?!?

Terrorists don&#039;t just target politicians or authority figures. Australian cricketers as symbols of &quot;the West&quot;, of &quot;capitalism&quot; and of &quot;heathens&quot; (non-Muslims) make PERFECT targets.

I&#039;m sorry - it gives me shudders - but it&#039;s true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a crock!</p>
<p>You think the sort of people that blow up innocent civilians &#8211; women and children &#8211; holidaying in Bali or where will give baulk at blowing up these people because the play cricket?!?</p>
<p>Terrorists don&#8217;t just target politicians or authority figures. Australian cricketers as symbols of &#8220;the West&#8221;, of &#8220;capitalism&#8221; and of &#8220;heathens&#8221; (non-Muslims) make PERFECT targets.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry &#8211; it gives me shudders &#8211; but it&#8217;s true.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dasilva has it right.  I accept cricketers won&#039;t be targeted as such but I have to report that a good mate of mine, who has been doing business with and travelling to Pakistan reguarly for 12 years (he&#039;s a software developer) was held up at gunpoint and robbed on his last visit (on the drive in from the airport) there.  He likes the country and its people but said it has defientely becaome more and more dangerous and unsettled in the last 3 years in particular and in retrospect this very dangerous and scary incident was not surprising.  Happened in June this year and he is not returning any time soon.  Good on Geoff Lawson and Imran Khan for stating their view (although neither can hardly be termed unbiased) but I would be heeding the advice of the security experts before them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dasilva has it right.  I accept cricketers won&#8217;t be targeted as such but I have to report that a good mate of mine, who has been doing business with and travelling to Pakistan reguarly for 12 years (he&#8217;s a software developer) was held up at gunpoint and robbed on his last visit (on the drive in from the airport) there.  He likes the country and its people but said it has defientely becaome more and more dangerous and unsettled in the last 3 years in particular and in retrospect this very dangerous and scary incident was not surprising.  Happened in June this year and he is not returning any time soon.  Good on Geoff Lawson and Imran Khan for stating their view (although neither can hardly be termed unbiased) but I would be heeding the advice of the security experts before them.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Kidd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say that we leave it to the players to decide. If they say &#039;no&#039; then so be it because they are the people who would be directly affected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say that we leave it to the players to decide. If they say &#8216;no&#8217; then so be it because they are the people who would be directly affected.</p>
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		<title>By: dasilva</title>
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		<dc:creator>dasilva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sheek

I have no doubt that the terrorist will not target Australian Cricketers or any cricketers in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, India etc.

However when New Zealand tour Pakistan early this decade was a bomb blast very near their hotel. The NZ cricketers then sore the horrors of the bomb blast that scarred some of the players which caused the tour to be cancel. The bomb wasn&#039;t targeting the cricketers but that doesn&#039;t mean that the players can&#039;t be caught in the crossfire as New Zealand Cricketers were only a few metres from being directly affected by the bomb.

The question is not where the cricketers are being target by terrorist but how stable the country is and what is the chance of Australia being inadvertably caught up with the instability.

That&#039;s for the ACB and ICC security delagation to determine. However saying that. If it is determine that the risk is minimum then players must be compulsory tour or risk losing central contract with the ACB. It shouldn&#039;t be left to players to make personal judgement on security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sheek</p>
<p>I have no doubt that the terrorist will not target Australian Cricketers or any cricketers in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, India etc.</p>
<p>However when New Zealand tour Pakistan early this decade was a bomb blast very near their hotel. The NZ cricketers then sore the horrors of the bomb blast that scarred some of the players which caused the tour to be cancel. The bomb wasn&#8217;t targeting the cricketers but that doesn&#8217;t mean that the players can&#8217;t be caught in the crossfire as New Zealand Cricketers were only a few metres from being directly affected by the bomb.</p>
<p>The question is not where the cricketers are being target by terrorist but how stable the country is and what is the chance of Australia being inadvertably caught up with the instability.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s for the ACB and ICC security delagation to determine. However saying that. If it is determine that the risk is minimum then players must be compulsory tour or risk losing central contract with the ACB. It shouldn&#8217;t be left to players to make personal judgement on security.</p>
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		<title>By: sheek</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff,

Appearing recently on Andrew Denton&#039;s show &#039;Enough Rope&#039;, Imran Khan offered the view that terrorism is a battle of hearts &amp; minds. This was his lead in to declare that Australian cricketers touring Pakistan would be 100 percent safe, because no terrorist, however crazy we may perceive him to be, would harm cricketers.

Because to harm cricketers would lead to loss of support among the cricket loving population, &amp; thus, most importantly for terrorists, control of the peoples&#039; hearts &amp; minds.

If someone as wise &amp; sensible &amp; practical &amp; proven &amp; revered as Imran Khan isn&#039;t listened to, then we&#039;re a very stupid human race (which I think we already are collectively).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff,</p>
<p>Appearing recently on Andrew Denton&#8217;s show &#8216;Enough Rope&#8217;, Imran Khan offered the view that terrorism is a battle of hearts &amp; minds. This was his lead in to declare that Australian cricketers touring Pakistan would be 100 percent safe, because no terrorist, however crazy we may perceive him to be, would harm cricketers.</p>
<p>Because to harm cricketers would lead to loss of support among the cricket loving population, &amp; thus, most importantly for terrorists, control of the peoples&#8217; hearts &amp; minds.</p>
<p>If someone as wise &amp; sensible &amp; practical &amp; proven &amp; revered as Imran Khan isn&#8217;t listened to, then we&#8217;re a very stupid human race (which I think we already are collectively).</p>
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