Rugby is like chess, league is like checkers
By Ian from NZ, 26 Nov 2008 The Crowd is a Roar Guru
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Checkers is a game where the pieces do the same thing, and in rugby league, all the players do the same thing: they take the ball up and on the tackle they put the ball through their legs and start again.
There are no lineouts or mauls.
Sure, running the ball up has a different degree on demand between the forward and backs. But not much.
To stop one team having all the possession, there is a six tackle count, as the game does not allow more contests to see possession change hands. The rugby league player, if lined up in a police lineout, would all have the same physical design.
Chess is a game where the chess piece does very different things.
The array of very different abilities of each chess piece allows the chess player to be very creative when it comes to playing tactics. Chess has more structure than checkers, and union has more structure than league.
And it should remain so.
Rugby union can be broken down into combinations: front row, back row, loose forwards, back of scrum, centre field, and back three. These combinations perform as units within the structured game, performing specialised roles, with specific skills and body shape.
If rugby administrators break the rule that ‘rugby is like chess, they will have a hybrid game that is somewhere between checkers and chess. A hybrid game will see rugby lose its hard won identity, and the marketing boys will tell you that to have a good brand, you need a distinctive point of difference from the competition.
Iggy Pop once said: “Death kills you, but death doesn’t kill you. Boredom and indifference kill you.”
This quote highlights that rugby union’s greatest sin is to be boring and indifferent.
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November 26th 2008 @ 8:49am
sledgeross said | November 26th 2008 @ 8:49am | Report comment
What a load of shit Ian. It comes down to mere socio-economics. Union is usually played by private schools which offer greater education, and the way union is structured, it makes it difficult for young players (in the past) to make a living from it. League has had working class roots, which has meant that the avenues of education are not as prevelant as Union, and the fact that schoolkids could earn cash from contracts means that league players socially have not had the same development as Union players.
Union is every bit as formulaic and automated as what you probably consider League to be. Union (especially since it went pro) has been rendered into a boring shadow of its former glory. If you think it takes any more intellect to kick the ball out and take penalty kicks, then I worry for you. Look at the league players with great football brains of recent times, Andrew Johns, Darren Lockyer, Johnathon Thurston etc. You think they dont understand tactics and positioning.
If you did do an IQ test, I have no doubt that Union players are more intelligent than League players. But its highly offensive and also incorrect to say that you need any more brains to play either sport. Its this kind of elitest rubbish that causes divisions between the two “tribes” when we should all be supporting the sport we individually enjoy the most, without being so paranoid to denegrate and belittle others.
November 26th 2008 @ 9:03am
Steffy said | November 26th 2008 @ 9:03am | Report comment
“Though it’s a generalisation, the truth is that you really don’t have to have much, if any, grey matter at all to play League, whereas you need plenty of it to play Union.”
Absolute nonsense but if it makes you feel better about yourself then keep telling yourself that.
November 26th 2008 @ 9:23am
oikee said | November 26th 2008 @ 9:23am | Report comment
I really thought i was smart, i did not lose any money in the downturn but i have never been to a Union game, maybe i am not as smart as i think i am. I had better get meself to some onion games so i can heighten my intelligence. Either that or spend more time with my QC mate. Thanks for the tip Ian.
November 26th 2008 @ 9:31am
Colin N said | November 26th 2008 @ 9:31am | Report comment
“If you think it takes any more intellect to kick the ball out and take penalty kicks, then I worry for you.”
Your argument was going quite well who said that.
Certainly League is a simpler game (I only had to watch a couple of games for me to understand the rules in League, where as I’m still learning in Union and will keep learning) but that’s not to say that League players don’t have as, if not more intelligence than Union players. That’s why this quote….
“If you did do an IQ test, I have no doubt that Union players are more intelligent than League players.”
…..is wrong. I believe that IQ is just your natural intelligence, not what or how you’re taught in school.
November 26th 2008 @ 9:32am
Howi said | November 26th 2008 @ 9:32am | Report comment
The League-Union debate is a dialogue I regularly have with my Dad on a long distance telephone call once we’ve stopped talking about the weather and the rain (or lack of). I am pro-Union because I do love the actual game itself – the constant battle for possesion, the balancing act of territory and possession, the realistic contests at the scrum and lineout. My Dad, pro-League, loves the skills being displayed by it’s players and the character demanded of the constant, hard collisions. I always see his point of view and currently wish our Wallabies backline could conjure a little more of the brillance displayed at times by the Kangaroos backs. (Even though the Kangaroos lost the other night I couldn’t help but remain impressed at the tries the Australians put on, some magnificent support play and forward, positive, attacking thinking). And I never miss the State of Origin purely for the awesome spectacle it can be. But still I remain fascinated by the nuances of Union – all of the individuals battles that take place on the field that put together a whole campaign. My use of military type vocab is on purpose. I don’t see League this way – maybe others do. Anyway, I am a NSW-born Queenslander currently teaching kids in Victoria who can’t see anything but Aussie Rules and scoff at other sports. I try to tell them that it’s ok to like more than one code of football. And I really think it is. But I think we have become caught up in the economics of the etnertainment industry when we start to suggest that one code should have precedence over another. Union and League are almost as different as Union and Aussie Rules – really.
November 26th 2008 @ 9:34am
Steffy said | November 26th 2008 @ 9:34am | Report comment
oikee, you and I are mungos apparently and therefore of no consequence. The rah rahs will inherit the earth or so they keep telling us. Personally I think the whole thing stinks but it seems this website is a breeding ground for wanabee rah rah journalists and their pet hates.
November 26th 2008 @ 9:37am
Millster said | November 26th 2008 @ 9:37am | Report comment
This is a blatant attempt at a class war based on sports, and on a comparison that doesn’t need to – and shouldn’t be made.
The nasty side of me has the instinct to respond that they are both dumb compared to the nuance, skill, tactical play and flair of football. Not to mention that about half of the average Union team are slobby fat old bastards. So if we want to have the argument on those terms, sorry boys you’ve picked the wrong fight. But to be honest while that is technically true I don’t really subscribe to it as I happen to enjoy all codes, and that is my main problem with your article and some of the responses.
Ian of NZ (and the other bigoted Ian too) – you blokes have TVs with remote controls. If you like Union turn your TV on and watch it. If you don’t like League, no-one is forcing you to sit there and not switch across to Desperate Housewives. Stop telling people who enjoy another sport than you that their sport is shit. Just do your own bigoted thing quietly and leave us alone.
Oh, and just for the record Ian you blinkered elitist idiot, I have 2 Masters degrees, one of which was gained in the USA, and for both of which I received numerous academic prizes and distinctions. And between the two games, I prefer League.
November 26th 2008 @ 9:40am
mudskipper said | November 26th 2008 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Check mate………..
November 26th 2008 @ 9:44am
Colin N said | November 26th 2008 @ 9:44am | Report comment
Millster,
Someone with two Masters degrees should know that it’s not grammatically correct to start a sentence with a conjunction
Oh and regarding the Union ‘fat bastards’-it’s really muscle.
November 26th 2008 @ 9:46am
Pippinu said | November 26th 2008 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Millster
2 masters, one from the US, you really are Milton Friedman’s love child!