Can Benji Marshall make it in rugby union?
By Spiro Zavos, 10 Dec 2008 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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Before we answer the question, we need to establish whether he will turn to what rugby league followers now think of as the dark side. And the most likely answer to this is that when his Tigers contract runs out at the end of 2009, he will take up an offer to play rugby union. Probably in Japan.
The Sydney Morning Herald has an interesting story stating that if Marshall does play rugby union in Japan he could come back to rugby league. The mechanics behind this is that the Japanese Top League rugby season runs from September to February. This timetable would allow Marshall the chance to come back to the rugby league code if, for whatever reason, he wants to do this.
But, of course, the Super 14 season (by 2011, a Super 15 or up to 18, with a Japanese team as a likely starter) also begins in February.
My feeling is that if Marshall does make the jump in codes, he will want to carry on in rugby union and achieve his ambition to become an All Black. This is the same sort of ambition that Sonny Bill Williams (remember him?) has and, most importantly, Brad Thorn had.
Australians don’t generally understand the mystique that the All Blacks jersey has for New Zealanders. It is one of the most powerful emotions New Zealand males can have. Moreover, the All Blacks jersey marks a person out, identifies them as having achieved something wonderful, for the rest of their life.
You can see this in the business world, even in Australia.
Whenever there is talk, say, of David Kirk, he is invariably referred to as “the former All Blacks captain.” Is Michael Hawker, another former rugby player who has had a successful business career, invariably referred to as “the former Wallaby great?”
Hardly.
So if Marshall does make the jump, does he have the skills and the ticker to fulfill his ambition and become an All Black?
All this is hypothetical, of course, but right now you’d say this ambition can be realised. He has a background in rugby, which should be a help (but wasn’t much of a help for Mat Rogers).
He has the skill set and the ticker to make the transition to the rugby union code. He showed both the skills and the ticker in the Rugby League World Cup Final against the Kangaroos. It was when Marshall took on the line and exposed his battered shoulders to the ferocious intent of the Paul Gallens and the other big hitters that the Kiwis fractured the Kangaroos line and set up tries.
My guess is that his best position in rugby union would either at fullback or on the wing, as a Shane Williams type of runner coming into the line after some phases and bewildering the big forwards trying to block up the middle of the field.
I can’t see him being a successful union five-eights.
We’ve seen Rogers fail in this position and on Saturday, playing for Stade Francaise against the rampant Harlequins, we saw Mark Gasnier, admittedly coming on as a reserve, making an awful hash of the five-eights and then centres position.
Gasnier’s problem, and it is a problem that most rugby league players coming to rugby union face, is that his skill level in handling and passing was not up to the lack of space and time rugby union players have to confront when they get the ball.
Also, his kicking skills, based on quick, accurate readings of the situations in front of him, are non-existent.
When you contrast Gasnier, seemingly leaden-footed and leaden-minded (a bit like Fracnois Steyne in the Barbarians-Wallaby game), with Nick Evans masterminding the Harlequins around the field and putting them in the situation where they were able to snatch an unlikely victory, you realise the great difference between the two codes.
Great players in one code will not necessarily be great players in the other code.
In fact, what we have seen in Australia and New Zealand, and especially since the ELVs, is that the old adage that backs can make the switch from either code more easily than forwards no longer applies.
Lote Tuqiri has made a ‘successful’ switch, but in my opinion on impact around the field, he is behind Peter Hynes, Digby Ione and probably Lachlan Turner. Like George Gregan in his later years, Tuqiri’s main value to the side is pyschological.
He is a reassuring figure to the younger players who may be inspired just by his presence to lift their own game.
The two best switchers from league to union in these parts in recent years have been Brad Thorn, who has become the rock of the All Blacks pack, and Rocky Elsom, whose ferocious tackling and running and general aggro in his play was missed by the Wallabies, especially in the Bledisloe Test in Hong Kong and the Test against Wales.
If this analysis is correct, rugby clubs in Europe and Japan, the ARU and the NZRU might look more favorably on players like Frank Pritchard (my pick for a successful conversion to the other side) and other tough league forwards rather than to the backs like Marshall and, certainly, Gasnier.
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December 10th 2008 @ 10:17am
Hoy said | December 10th 2008 @ 10:17am | Report comment
I actually think Rogers was the pick of the converts from the turn of the century. He could play complex positions like 5/8 and centre well enough, but had better players in front of him.
December 10th 2008 @ 10:25am
sheek said | December 10th 2008 @ 10:25am | Report comment
Elcapitan,
Yeah, Thorn’s achievement in making the ABs – twice – as a forward, is an awesome effort. Interesting to note, 2 kiwis with dodgy bodies – Williams & Marshall – looking to switch to league. No doubt hoping to pull their crumbling bodies through a couple of extra more years in union, where currently the workload is less.
I’m a bit of a fan of the spanish language, which I hope one day to learn more of. Found out recently that Santa Fe means ‘holy faith’ & Finisterre is spanish’s own version of ‘land’s end’.
just thought I would share these gems!
December 10th 2008 @ 10:38am
elcapitan said | December 10th 2008 @ 10:38am | Report comment
Cheers Sheek,
I actually got the nickname El Capitan from Latino friends in the US. Basicly drank heaps of Rum and the nickname stuck, plus the OPM song “El Capitan” was out around that time
On Marshall and Williams, yes it will be interesting to see how they cope injury wise in rugby. Perhaps they are looking for seasons that go less compared to the NRL? But any switch to rugby to either Europe or Japan is seriously for cash only. To go to club level in NZ shows dedication and desire to the All Black Jersey.
December 10th 2008 @ 11:33am
eric said | December 10th 2008 @ 11:33am | Report comment
Fancy running poor Gasnier on as a 5/8! Who on earth would ever think he had the skills and brain for that position, apart from Ewen McKenzie. More confirmation that McKenzie knows absolutely nothing about backline play.
December 10th 2008 @ 11:41am
MarkH said | December 10th 2008 @ 11:41am | Report comment
No, not at all. Like most of the guys who have come accross, he wont have the space and is injury prone. If he wanted a crack at a real comp, he should have tried for a S14 side. Gasnier has done nothing for mine. He s playing in an over priced French comp.
December 10th 2008 @ 11:51am
oikee said | December 10th 2008 @ 11:51am | Report comment
Yes agree, Gasnier tried and failed to be a five eight in Origin football, hes a good centre, well one of the best really, agree about rogers, he is still class and must be good to still be going. As for Benji, will be wasted as ussual by making the swich, being younger him and williams have time to adjust. Just a shame money as normal seems to be the factor, i would rather see him move to super league where his skills can shine. Like someone said, you dont have the freedom to do things like he does, in Union. Anyhow, good luck to him, its been good to see him play with a team who acheived the greatest victory ever in sport, beating the roos. Hold no grudges, with this more players get the chance to move through the system.
December 10th 2008 @ 12:12pm
Blinky Bill of Bellingen said | December 10th 2008 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
Joe – On Andrew Walker. Yep just thinking about him the other day. What a talent. A joy to watch in full flight. Poetry in motion. He was back with the Reds or so I believe. So what’s he doing these days?
When Rogers, Lote & Wendell made the switch my prediction was that Rogers would have the greatest success. Seems his trouble was that he was good at so many positions & never seemed to quite nail one down as his own. Personally I’d have persisted with him at 5/8 with the Tahs and maybe he would have developed into something very special. Obvously the coach thought otherwise.
Brad Thorne gets my vote as the best convert. That guy was a bloody nuisance in an All Black jersey.
December 10th 2008 @ 12:27pm
Andrew B said | December 10th 2008 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
I’m pretty sure Gas was subbed on the wing for that game, not into the centres. Ewen has been keeping him out there.
December 10th 2008 @ 12:27pm
ohtani's jacket said | December 10th 2008 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
“The mechanics behind this is that the Japanese Top League rugby season runs from September to February.”
The length of the season depends on how good your team is. After the Microsoft Cup, they play the All Japan championships through to the middle of March, which is why Tony Brown joined the Stormers in week six of the Super 14. Obviously that will change if Japan has a Super rugby franchise, but at present if he joined one of the big clubs he couldn’t play Super 14 rugby straight away.
IMO he’d be better off joining another NRL side. The NZRU won’t give him a big contract and he has little hope becoming an All Black by playing offshore.
December 10th 2008 @ 1:16pm
ADH said | December 10th 2008 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
OJ,
you’re spot on. Playing off sure will do Benji no favours, and it is unlikely, given his expereince and how injury prone he is, that the NZRU would give him a sunstantial contract.
Spiro,
I know you’re originally from the land of the long white cloud, but to say former Wallabies arent held in the same esteem as the All Blacks is ludicrous. Maybe not by New Zealanders, and rightly so.
Sure, there is something about the Black jersey that gives it a mystique. But for me, it’s all about where you’re brought up and what you’re taught as a youngling. I grew up idolising players like Mark Ella, Hawker etc. They hold just as much mystique to me (and I know I speak on the behalf of a lot of young Australian players here) as an All Black would to a young New Zealander. And I know plenty of older blokes who feel the same.