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		<title>By: Sluggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sluggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spiro,

I remember back in 1985 (when the rebel tour of SA had gutted, particularly, the test bowling ranks) when in an attempt to arrest the slump the test team at one stage included Border (c), Dirk Wellham (who I think peaked at 21) who was the NSW captain and was brought back into the side, Ray Bright who had dropped out of test cricket selection but was brought back and was the capatin of the Vics, and some other old heads... Jeff Thomson might have made the Ashes tour that year.

Didn&#039;t work. And we got belted by England on their next tour here.

The re-invigoration came in 89 when Border was given a team of good young rising batting talent - Taylor M, Marsh, Boon Border, Jones, Waugh S, Healy, and a bowling group that included some experienced heads - Lawson, Alderman, Rackeman (spelling?), and Trevor Hohns (three back from the SA rebel tour), a youngster Cambpell who played 1 test, and I forget who else. Can&#039;t remember if Merv Hughs made that tour.  Mike Valetta didn&#039;t get a game in the tests.

So assuming we look forwards, not back, and Warne is not the answer, who?

What we need at the moment, it seems, is some bowlers who can take wickets in tests. Mitch Johnson has really fronted up this season so we&#039;ve got one. We need another three. Krezja is young enough to learn to control the runs more, and has shown he can take wickets... so he get&#039;s selected. Stuart Clark and Brett Lee are old enough and smart enough to fill the shoes of Alderman &amp; Rackeman. 

If you work on the basis that Ponting, Hussey and Clarke will be picked, with Hadden, its the other three batting slots which the selectors must be really mulling over. Hopefully Richard Hughes will end up in one of them. They could give the #6 spot to a new captain, but who would it be? the state captains include Katich, White, Simpson &amp; Maher, none of who are likely to get picked ahead of Ponting in the role... but should they pick Simpson as a shrewd tactician to help Ponting even if his batting is not up to it? Doubtful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spiro,</p>
<p>I remember back in 1985 (when the rebel tour of SA had gutted, particularly, the test bowling ranks) when in an attempt to arrest the slump the test team at one stage included Border (c), Dirk Wellham (who I think peaked at 21) who was the NSW captain and was brought back into the side, Ray Bright who had dropped out of test cricket selection but was brought back and was the capatin of the Vics, and some other old heads&#8230; Jeff Thomson might have made the Ashes tour that year.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t work. And we got belted by England on their next tour here.</p>
<p>The re-invigoration came in 89 when Border was given a team of good young rising batting talent &#8211; Taylor M, Marsh, Boon Border, Jones, Waugh S, Healy, and a bowling group that included some experienced heads &#8211; Lawson, Alderman, Rackeman (spelling?), and Trevor Hohns (three back from the SA rebel tour), a youngster Cambpell who played 1 test, and I forget who else. Can&#8217;t remember if Merv Hughs made that tour.  Mike Valetta didn&#8217;t get a game in the tests.</p>
<p>So assuming we look forwards, not back, and Warne is not the answer, who?</p>
<p>What we need at the moment, it seems, is some bowlers who can take wickets in tests. Mitch Johnson has really fronted up this season so we&#8217;ve got one. We need another three. Krezja is young enough to learn to control the runs more, and has shown he can take wickets&#8230; so he get&#8217;s selected. Stuart Clark and Brett Lee are old enough and smart enough to fill the shoes of Alderman &amp; Rackeman. </p>
<p>If you work on the basis that Ponting, Hussey and Clarke will be picked, with Hadden, its the other three batting slots which the selectors must be really mulling over. Hopefully Richard Hughes will end up in one of them. They could give the #6 spot to a new captain, but who would it be? the state captains include Katich, White, Simpson &amp; Maher, none of who are likely to get picked ahead of Ponting in the role&#8230; but should they pick Simpson as a shrewd tactician to help Ponting even if his batting is not up to it? Doubtful.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiro Zavos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spiro Zavos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg Matthews might be the best off-spinner going around in Australia right now but his fitness might be a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Matthews might be the best off-spinner going around in Australia right now but his fitness might be a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: OldManEmu</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldManEmu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Spiro. The current mob are a bunch of beardless poofters with not one extra marital dalliance or Kings Cross punch up between them - (contrary to popular reports Rick Ponting was actually hit in the melon by a doner kebab with the lot all those years ago.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Spiro. The current mob are a bunch of beardless poofters with not one extra marital dalliance or Kings Cross punch up between them &#8211; (contrary to popular reports Rick Ponting was actually hit in the melon by a doner kebab with the lot all those years ago.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spiro you have not gone far enough
As we are heading to Sydney - the &quot;spinners Paradise&quot; in a former life - surely we should be taking in two spinners.
Convince Warney tp come back and then scout around for an accomplished test spinner who is still available for test selection - 
now who do we have - 
Ah Ha - 
here we go - GREG MATTHEWS.
Still available, still playing, and likely to serve up a bit better tosh than the current lot.
As Kerry OK said today we need more Jaffas and less pies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spiro you have not gone far enough<br />
As we are heading to Sydney &#8211; the &#8220;spinners Paradise&#8221; in a former life &#8211; surely we should be taking in two spinners.<br />
Convince Warney tp come back and then scout around for an accomplished test spinner who is still available for test selection &#8211;<br />
now who do we have &#8211;<br />
Ah Ha &#8211;<br />
here we go &#8211; GREG MATTHEWS.<br />
Still available, still playing, and likely to serve up a bit better tosh than the current lot.<br />
As Kerry OK said today we need more Jaffas and less pies</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think so Spiro.  Australian cricket has to accept it will be crap for a while until the next generation turns up.  It had to happen some time.

My gripe is that the selectors didn&#039;t bring in new talent sooner, expecially the bowlers and opening batsmen.  Our &quot;new&quot; guys are in their 30&#039;s.  Hayden looks like he should be in the commentry box not padding up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think so Spiro.  Australian cricket has to accept it will be crap for a while until the next generation turns up.  It had to happen some time.</p>
<p>My gripe is that the selectors didn&#8217;t bring in new talent sooner, expecially the bowlers and opening batsmen.  Our &#8220;new&#8221; guys are in their 30&#8242;s.  Hayden looks like he should be in the commentry box not padding up.</p>
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		<title>By: James Mortimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Mortimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Warne during his cricket show segment, and he most definately did not look fit.

But again I shook my head in wonder at his grasp of cricket, bowling and tactics - even outside his outstanding record as a bowler, there is no doubt that this is a man who intuitively understands the game.

Something I have always questioned about Ponting.  However, say what we will about his captaincy, as a batsmen leading from the front - the captains knocks - he cannot be questioned.

But, despite the fairytale piece, Warne won&#039;t come back to test cricket.

We can still hope.  I still hold out for Richard Hadlee returning to the Black Caps..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Warne during his cricket show segment, and he most definately did not look fit.</p>
<p>But again I shook my head in wonder at his grasp of cricket, bowling and tactics &#8211; even outside his outstanding record as a bowler, there is no doubt that this is a man who intuitively understands the game.</p>
<p>Something I have always questioned about Ponting.  However, say what we will about his captaincy, as a batsmen leading from the front &#8211; the captains knocks &#8211; he cannot be questioned.</p>
<p>But, despite the fairytale piece, Warne won&#8217;t come back to test cricket.</p>
<p>We can still hope.  I still hold out for Richard Hadlee returning to the Black Caps&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hurler on the Ditch</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hurler on the Ditch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t it Spiro who wrote the &quot;Bring back May/Cowdrey/Titmus/Lock/Close&quot; series of articles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t it Spiro who wrote the &#8220;Bring back May/Cowdrey/Titmus/Lock/Close&#8221; series of articles?</p>
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		<title>By: sheek</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spiro,

Agree with Rob. The opportunity to make Warne test captain has passed. My favourite Aussie test skipper - Ian Chappell - often argued Warne should have been made captain ahead of Steve Waugh.

Unfortunately, at the time - early 1999 - Warne was returning from a shoulder operation, &amp; hadn&#039;t played much cricket of any kind. His only test of the 1998-99 Ashes series was the 5th &amp; last, also Mark Taylor&#039;s swansong. However, when Waugh was injured for several one-dayers, Warne filled in brilliantly.

But it was too little, too late. The ACB (or CA) had already made their mind up with Waugh. There have been other great cricketers overlooked for the Australian captaincy. The first name immediately coming to  mind being Keith Miller. Many contemporaries believed Miller should have got the nod over Ian Johnson.

Your suggestion is interesting, nevertheless. Warne would still be under 40 for the Ashes series. On the channel 9 commentary interviews &amp; coaching classes, he looks very fit, &amp; as mentally sharp as ever, as you say.

The downside, is that it would in any case, be only a stop-gap measure. Australian cricket has to move forward, not go backwards.  It&#039;s a deliciously tempting thought, but the opportunity I believe, has passed.

Spiro, another thought, on whether it could happen. Sometimes great administrators can inspire great things from their players. Is there an administrator in the CA board &amp;/or selectors with the courage to make such a mighty call?

Sadly, I think not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spiro,</p>
<p>Agree with Rob. The opportunity to make Warne test captain has passed. My favourite Aussie test skipper &#8211; Ian Chappell &#8211; often argued Warne should have been made captain ahead of Steve Waugh.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, at the time &#8211; early 1999 &#8211; Warne was returning from a shoulder operation, &amp; hadn&#8217;t played much cricket of any kind. His only test of the 1998-99 Ashes series was the 5th &amp; last, also Mark Taylor&#8217;s swansong. However, when Waugh was injured for several one-dayers, Warne filled in brilliantly.</p>
<p>But it was too little, too late. The ACB (or CA) had already made their mind up with Waugh. There have been other great cricketers overlooked for the Australian captaincy. The first name immediately coming to  mind being Keith Miller. Many contemporaries believed Miller should have got the nod over Ian Johnson.</p>
<p>Your suggestion is interesting, nevertheless. Warne would still be under 40 for the Ashes series. On the channel 9 commentary interviews &amp; coaching classes, he looks very fit, &amp; as mentally sharp as ever, as you say.</p>
<p>The downside, is that it would in any case, be only a stop-gap measure. Australian cricket has to move forward, not go backwards.  It&#8217;s a deliciously tempting thought, but the opportunity I believe, has passed.</p>
<p>Spiro, another thought, on whether it could happen. Sometimes great administrators can inspire great things from their players. Is there an administrator in the CA board &amp;/or selectors with the courage to make such a mighty call?</p>
<p>Sadly, I think not!</p>
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		<title>By: positive b sample</title>
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		<dc:creator>positive b sample</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Warne should have been made test captain and Ponting one day captain when Waugh retired to spread the load until Ponting was ready for both roles.In hindsight Warnes off field antics would have been very destabilising.
Bringing Warne back would be too big a risk.If his form was down or he became injured where would the selectors go to next? His body is ok for 20/20 but at his age and history of shoulder/finger wear and tear it is too much of a gamble.
Hayden must surley go now and Lee is out so the selectors have a free hand too make some changes.We are going to loose this test and series so we might as well get some new boys in the baggy green before the ashes.
 Symonds needs to go as well but I doubt the selectors would want to bin 3 players at once.He no longer has the impact on a game he once did and also has injury /problems.
 Pontings decision making is a bit odd at times but what&#039;s the coach doing? He gets big bucks and just got a new contract.If his salary is performance based he is in trouble.
I wonder if 20/20 cricket has dulled the players minds.The Australians have struggled after the 2nd day in both tests against SA.
I have terrible memories of the dark days of aus cricket when we celebrated draws against NZ. We have been so good for so long  people under 25 have only known a dominant aus team. I don&#039;t think the current selectors have picked the right players or made changes early enough to pull us out of the mire.It&#039;s going to be a long 2 or 3 years before we are much chop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Warne should have been made test captain and Ponting one day captain when Waugh retired to spread the load until Ponting was ready for both roles.In hindsight Warnes off field antics would have been very destabilising.<br />
Bringing Warne back would be too big a risk.If his form was down or he became injured where would the selectors go to next? His body is ok for 20/20 but at his age and history of shoulder/finger wear and tear it is too much of a gamble.<br />
Hayden must surley go now and Lee is out so the selectors have a free hand too make some changes.We are going to loose this test and series so we might as well get some new boys in the baggy green before the ashes.<br />
 Symonds needs to go as well but I doubt the selectors would want to bin 3 players at once.He no longer has the impact on a game he once did and also has injury /problems.<br />
 Pontings decision making is a bit odd at times but what&#8217;s the coach doing? He gets big bucks and just got a new contract.If his salary is performance based he is in trouble.<br />
I wonder if 20/20 cricket has dulled the players minds.The Australians have struggled after the 2nd day in both tests against SA.<br />
I have terrible memories of the dark days of aus cricket when we celebrated draws against NZ. We have been so good for so long  people under 25 have only known a dominant aus team. I don&#8217;t think the current selectors have picked the right players or made changes early enough to pull us out of the mire.It&#8217;s going to be a long 2 or 3 years before we are much chop.</p>
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		<title>By: BrifrmPOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrifrmPOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spiro I think this is a great idea, and would even generate a lot if interest in the Ashes from people who wouldn&#039;t normally watch it. A promoters dream come true.

I beleive that Warney would make a great captain and could even play on for a couple of years more, how old was Clarrie Grimmet when he retired, or even Don Bradman?

Also could someone tell me how much say in Tactics that the coach has? is it right to blame Ponting for &quot;uninspired captaincy&quot; shouldnt Neilsen also carry some blame?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spiro I think this is a great idea, and would even generate a lot if interest in the Ashes from people who wouldn&#8217;t normally watch it. A promoters dream come true.</p>
<p>I beleive that Warney would make a great captain and could even play on for a couple of years more, how old was Clarrie Grimmet when he retired, or even Don Bradman?</p>
<p>Also could someone tell me how much say in Tactics that the coach has? is it right to blame Ponting for &#8220;uninspired captaincy&#8221; shouldnt Neilsen also carry some blame?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spiro, Leaving aside the merits or otherwise of your thoughts this will not happen. What we ask these days ..&quot;Is it a sport or is it a business? &quot; Administrators won&#039;t do what is right from a sporting angle they will do what is right for the corporate dollar and in this regard Warne has too much baggage.
On that issue many people in many sports have done much worse than Warne over the years but our media obsession and hypocrisy make it impossible for sports people to live normal lives. Others counter that they are being paid huge amounts for their efforts. But so what? This argument is a cloak for media to justify its behaviour and dig for scandal and then increase ratings. I just wish that one day the muckrakers were subjected to the same scrutiny. ( a little off topic I know)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spiro, Leaving aside the merits or otherwise of your thoughts this will not happen. What we ask these days ..&#8221;Is it a sport or is it a business? &#8221; Administrators won&#8217;t do what is right from a sporting angle they will do what is right for the corporate dollar and in this regard Warne has too much baggage.<br />
On that issue many people in many sports have done much worse than Warne over the years but our media obsession and hypocrisy make it impossible for sports people to live normal lives. Others counter that they are being paid huge amounts for their efforts. But so what? This argument is a cloak for media to justify its behaviour and dig for scandal and then increase ratings. I just wish that one day the muckrakers were subjected to the same scrutiny. ( a little off topic I know)</p>
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		<title>By: Rabbitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabbitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thoughts, although is yet another member of the &quot;old boys&quot; club the answer?  It seems that the old brigade are, to a man past it.  Surely there is a young ballsy state cricketer who could be aggressive enough and know how to direct a few bowlers?  (This by definition rules out Michael Clark).

Surely the Sydney Test is the perfect opportunity for the selectors to shows some intestinal fortitude - Dorp Hayden, Drop Lee, Drop Symonds - Give Hussey a stiff warning, Drop Ponting from the captaincy.  Promote some of the YOUNGER state cricketers.  Frankly if I was selecting then a state cricketer wouldn&#039;t get a look in if they were older the 26 or 27.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts, although is yet another member of the &#8220;old boys&#8221; club the answer?  It seems that the old brigade are, to a man past it.  Surely there is a young ballsy state cricketer who could be aggressive enough and know how to direct a few bowlers?  (This by definition rules out Michael Clark).</p>
<p>Surely the Sydney Test is the perfect opportunity for the selectors to shows some intestinal fortitude &#8211; Dorp Hayden, Drop Lee, Drop Symonds &#8211; Give Hussey a stiff warning, Drop Ponting from the captaincy.  Promote some of the YOUNGER state cricketers.  Frankly if I was selecting then a state cricketer wouldn&#8217;t get a look in if they were older the 26 or 27.</p>
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