The Ogre pricks the Verbeek balloon
By Jesse Fink, 6 Mar 2009 Jesse Fink is a Roar Guru
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It’s been a dramatic sort of week for national men’s coach Pim Verbeek, first with Sasa Ognenovski coming out in the press and bucketing the Dutchman for destroying his dream of representing the Socceroos.
Then Verbeek himself going on the backfoot and publicly apologising for calling Socceroos striker Archie Thompson “absolutely hopeless” in Jakarta last month.
Verbeek has been weathering all sorts of direct and veiled criticism for his no-frills football and no-frills talking for a year now, but the level of antipathy towards him has probably never been so high.
And it comes at a strange time, with Australia virtually one game away from securing automatic qualification for South Africa 2010.
I will declare that I have had a coffee or two with Verbeek over the time he’s been in the country and I enjoy a good personal relationship with him. But I’ve never been afraid to tell him what I think he might be doing wrong or could be doing better (inasmuch as my opinion counts for anything) and to his credit he always listens. He might not agree but he listens – and that is the mark of a gentleman.
Verbeek, however, has strong opinions of his own and he isn’t normally one to resile from them, so it is notable that he has toned down his act. But he would have sensed that perhaps he had stepped over the line with his recent brutal assessments of the A-League and the ructions they caused in the press and among A-League coaches and chief executives who have been working overtime to lure representative players home.
By far the most damaging salvo fired at Verbeek, though, was Ognenovski’s, who has now left the country for Korean club football and Macedonian national-team honours.
“If [Verbeek] doesn’t respect the league, he should keep his thoughts to himself,” he railed this week. “He’s way too harsh. I mean some of the games I’ve seen from the Dutch league are horrible. You get good and bad games anywhere. Basically, he’s bagging the players that he wants to go out there and do a job against teams like Kuwait. That’s not going to motivate them, it’s going to destroy their confidence. I’ve spoken to a few of them and they just shake their heads every time he says something about the A-League.”
This is a revealing quote, because any player on the fringe of national-team selection is loath to reveal any reservations he might have about the manager or his methods for fear of jeopardising his career.
But Ognenovski had nothing to lose and, fresh from the grand final and with six Adelaide team-mates in the squad for the Socceroos’ 5 March match against Kuwait in Canberra, he would have known what is going on inside the camp – and inside the minds of the players.
Whether or not Verbeek or Ognenovski is right on this issue is really beside the point.
It is imperative that the perception of division between team and manager be addressed and nipped in the bud immediately. And that requires compromise from both camps – Verbeek perhaps holding his fire more than usual and the “Socceroos Lite” players (our A-League Socceroos) learning to accept his methods and some of his “madness”.
Verbeek is an excellent manager who has an international track record that is second to none in this country. He deserves respect.
I’m sure he’s enough of a man, though, to also admit he could start reciprocating a little as well.
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March 6th 2009 @ 8:40am
cosmos forever said | March 6th 2009 @ 8:40am | Report comment
Ha Slippery, it’s a bit too early for passionate claims of looking at the facts – slow up on that coffee mate. A simple mistake, sorted by Da Silva’s comment.
Agree the players weren’t good enough, agree Ogre may have just been playing clever politics or crying over spilt milk (sometimes there is very little difference), just trying to point out that in this day and age of sports science etc there are enough indicators to show this team have been devalued and undermined (even in a tiny way) by the actions of the coach.
*Disclosure – no facts were used in the formulation of the previous paragraph – just opinions
Thanks for the follow-up on numbers as well. I’m thinking that at the moment there are a large number of fans that probably agree that some of those who played last night deserve a number over 100!
March 6th 2009 @ 8:42am
Kazama said | March 6th 2009 @ 8:42am | Report comment
I think you could tell from Archie’s post-match interview with Mel M that Pim’s comments were in his mind during the game. When you tell a team that they aren’t good enough they will probably react in a way to try to prove you wrong, but if things don’t go right for them then it can backfire and stuff them up, and last night it did.
That said, there was no excuse for last night’s abysmal display from the boys. It was the worst I have seen an Australian side play since the 2-2 draw with the Solomons at Hindmarsh. Kuwait totally outplayed us, they were the better team by a mile. Our players underestimated the opposition and over estimated themselves, and then when things were going against them Pim’s comments started to play on their minds; their heads dropped and we were never going to win once that happened.
If our boys played to the best of their ability they should have been able to beat Kuwait – after all, a team of A-Leaguers beat Kuwait 2-0 (albeit in a shoddy display) in the last Asian Cup Campaign. Frankly on last night’s performance a well-drilled state league team would have beaten the Socceroos. The deployment of Robbie Cornthwaite as a forward – a tactic not even resorted to by Vidmar this season – gives us some clue as to how clueless the team was in the final third last night.
I am all for giving A-League players a chance to perform at international level but last night they had their chance and they threw it away. They were fighting for the pride of the A-League, thanks to Pim’s comments, and they’ve delivered a huge blow to the credibility of the competition. Taking nothing away from Kuwait who did the job they set out to do, last night was an own goal for the A-League and Australian football – and there’s plenty of blame to go around.
March 6th 2009 @ 8:44am
Eddie said | March 6th 2009 @ 8:44am | Report comment
To be fair, his criticism was spot on. They were insipid last night. Constantly second to the ball and when they did string a couple of passes together, notice I said couple, they’s invariably lose it with a misdirected pass or an aimless long ball, or they’d simply miscontrol it. Yes Kuwait hustled and harried them very well, closing them down brilliantly, but come on, they are supposed to be professionaly footballers abd should be able to deal with that.
The one thing that really stood out was the lack of movment, and slowness of thought. No one was running into space and every attack, bar the long balls was painfully drawn out, allowing the Kuwait players to fall back deep and clutter the midfield. I tell you, it was lucky I have Foxtel IQ…so I could fast forward through half the match, such was the quality of the match.
March 6th 2009 @ 8:46am
Pippinu said | March 6th 2009 @ 8:46am | Report comment
das
I just wrote on another thread that blokes like Simon, Nichols, Mullen and even Poneljak don’t measure up to an A-League team we would have assembled 18 to 24 months ago.
Once we take some recent imports out of the equation – maybe the quality across the A-League is deteriorating?
The proof was there last night – extremely poor (and this time we can’t blame the quality of the pitch or the weather).
March 6th 2009 @ 8:49am
dasilva said | March 6th 2009 @ 8:49am | Report comment
Honestly, the long ball to Cornthwaite was the final humiliation. The last desparate attempt of the team that is losing. It was the icing of the cake of a very poor performance. All the talk about how far Australian Football progressed and to see Robbie up front was painful and a sobering experience about how far to go. The worst thing was that it was actually one of the few times we look threatening and was the right decision by Arnie.
March 6th 2009 @ 8:55am
Brian Munich said | March 6th 2009 @ 8:55am | Report comment
Maybe I’m getting long in the tooth but when I hear “Kuwait” I remember well Australia losing home and away to them in World Cup qualifying in 1977. I’m tiring mightily of the view that some Asian footballing nations are inherently weak and not deserving of respect. This premise seems to underpin the strategy that somehow a weak fifth-string selection drawn from the A-league was going to comfortably account for all comers in this preliminary stage. Thirteen-goal Archie will no doubt attest to the inherent difference between an American Samoa and Kuwait!
March 6th 2009 @ 8:56am
Greg said | March 6th 2009 @ 8:56am | Report comment
I feel for Nichols, Mullen etc. They have only played a hand full of A League games, yet are given the responsibility of a Socceroos shirt. I thought Zullo showed some promise, Nichols just looked lost. A couple of years ago the A League Socceroos side certainly had more experience and old heads.
March 6th 2009 @ 8:57am
dasilva said | March 6th 2009 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Pip
Yeah it was a much weaker side.
No burns, djite, jedinak, milligan, griffiths, carle, north, carney.
the asian exodus is going to make it far worst.
The only way we cna somewhat rectify this is to have regular training camps with A-League players. I’m confused why didn’t we have them. We don’t have the technique to match the opposition so we needed to be tactically organised and have team cohesion to have any chance.
Against Qatar when we didn’t need the A-league team we had training camps. When we finally need A-league players we don’t have camps.
I have a feeling that PIm wanted a training camp but the club won the club vs country debate (I remember a certain John Kosmina trying to pull players out of the camp last year. Maybe he wasn’t the only coach who felt that way) which is stupid considering the socceroos subsidised the A-league and that this Socceroos team was playing for the credibility of the entire league.
March 6th 2009 @ 9:03am
Rob said | March 6th 2009 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Jesse, “The Ogre” was, as dasilva has already mentioned, bitching about the fact that Pim didn’t buy into his “Pick me or I’ll play for Macedonia” game. Verbeek clearly wants players who will put their heart and soul into the national team shirt, not demand to be picked by threatening to play for someone else. Bugger off and play for Macedonia, then, appears to have been Pim’s reaction, and that would have been mine as well.
I wonder whether you’re right, Pip, about the quality of the A-League across the board. However, I think that youngsters like Mullen and Nichols will only get better with more experience. Simon isn’t up to standard, that’s for sure. I was stunned when I saw him in the squad. He was rubbish against Qld Roar during the two legged semi, went down under the lightest of challenges and hardly won a ball. He wasn’t much chop last night either.
Zullo is a bit of a one-trick pony with his moves to beat defenders, relying on speed more than anything else, and the Kataris are fast enough to negate most of that.
Anyhoo, Jesse, I think you’re a bit off the mark with this one. Maybe Pim’s only toned down his act because he’s sick of the media taking his comments out of context. How often in the last few days did the full quote about Archie and Alsopp get played, you know, where he praised their performances in the A-League as well as bagged their performance against Indonesia?
March 6th 2009 @ 9:16am
dasilva said | March 6th 2009 @ 9:16am | Report comment
Unfortunately the team are made up of “not quite there yet” and “never will be there yet”. The “not quite there yet” players will leave to go to Europe or Asia and our A-League team will weaken even further.