Also nice video highlights there Mid

Ange Posticoglou, Paul Trimboli and Gary Van Egmond in their prime. Priceless.

IMO just cap him against Ireland

I hope you see this have a look at the footage of old South Melbourne NSL goals on this link, and compare them with the A League goals of today.

http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=3374939

Couldn’t agree more mate.

He was born in Australia and live here for 14 years, lives in England for 3 years. If he wanted to play for England then fine but I find this playing for your parents origin down right annoying. Has he ever lived in Scotland outside of family holidays.

Sure FFA stuffed up and I’m always a little annoyed that they never keep in contact and monitor the progress with players in Europe. When we select under 17, under 19 and under 21 national team, we don’t tend to select or monitor players in youth squads in europe (Dean Bouzanis?) and select mostly people in Australia. I think we lost a youth player to Wales recently due to this issue. Players have to complain to the media before FFA comes in and negotiate with the players.

Who to blame? I say Jan Versleijen the coach of the joeys and young socceroos.

I’m hoping Inman is just using the media and threatening to play for Scotland as a means to get some contacts with FFA rather then seriously considering to play for Scotland.

This is not a similar case to Joey Didulica performing heroics in the Champions League for Ajax and not even making Socceroo squads, as Joey was older and way more deserving of the Socceroos no.1 jersey than anyone else at the time. Bradden is still a kid. He could become the next Craig Johnston if he’s not careful (by that I mean not play for Australia and regret it later).

Having said all that, total stuff-up by the FFA. Absolutely disgraceful.

Some say this kid is as good as KOOL at the same age this is a huge f**k UP if true

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25154613-11088,00.html

Bradden Inman poised to select Scotland over Australia

Sunday Herald Sun

Scott Walsh

March 08, 2009 12:00am

THE Socceroos appear certain to lose one of their brightest hopes – because no one from Football Federation Australia has bothered to contact him.

Only days after Australia’s embarrassing 1-0 loss to Kuwait, the Socceroos face another bungle with Adelaide 17-year-old Bradden Inman revealing he is poised to choose Scotland as his national team.

The gun Newcastle United midfielder, a substitute for the Magpies’ Premier League clash with Manchester City last month, is torn between loyalty to Australia and the opportunity to play with either Scotland or England.

His mother, Lorraine, was born in Scotland while the parents of his father were born in England, so he qualifies for all three nations.

Inman lived in Adelaide until he was 14 before shifting overseas on an under-15s scholarship with Newcastle.

He was called up to play for Scotland’s under-19s national team 10 days ago ago and says while his childhood dream was to represent Australia, he had yet to hear anything from Socceroos scouts or officials.

“I did think if I can come over to Newcastle then the next step is to try to play for Australia,” Inman said.

“But no one’s been in contact with me or anything.

“My goals are playing for Newcastle’s first team, and either playing for Scotland or Australia, maybe in a World Cup.

“At the minute playing for Scotland, it’s a lot better.

“If you travel to Australia you’ve got to sit on a plane for 24 hours and you don’t play matches that are as good.

“So, at the minute, it’s Scotland.”

Should Scotland select him as an under-21, it would lock Inman out of the Socceroos system.

sACK PIM BRING IN TROUSSIER AS WELL AS JORVAN VIERA!!!!!

sTOP THESE BLOODY BORING DUTCH COACHES….REVERT TO BRAZILLIAN!!

“No, the key difference between these two teams was the most precious commodity in international football – experience. Kuwait fielded six players who played against Australia in the 2007 campaign, and seven survivors from their 2004 Asian Cup squad. This was their first-choice selection.

By contrast, Australia handed debuts to four players, and another six were playing just their second game for their country. That’s a lot more green than gold. And much more relevant than the fact the players come from the A-League.”

So far I have stood behind Pim in our WC campaign & for this comp I still do regardless of playing style to get the end result,qualification as in this paragraph from MC.

“What is clear after Thursday night’s loss to Kuwait in Canberra is that the honeymoon period is over for Verbeek. The rumblings of discontent about style have been stymied by what has, so far, been a successful World Cup campaign. But a poor start to the Asian Cup qualifiers has changed the dynamic. Verbeek is now under more scrutiny than he has ever been, and it will be revealing to see how he reacts.”

However he is an employee of the FFA ,therefore us the fans. Without us the game is nothing. We demand respect for the National teams we support regardless of the International competition.
Forget all his quips about the standard of the A-League,this is the bottom line. In my book PIm is highly negligent in the managing of our Asian Cup campaign by putting 10 players on the park against Kuwait(in sharp contrast to them) with either no or next to none International experience.
That is when he really is rubbing my nose as a long standing Socceroo fan in the sh*t.
I & other Socceroo fans cant personally tell him that ,but as Pims employee the FFA can.
This lack of experience cannot be allowed to happen again for any team representing this country.
THe end result is that some journalists are putting the blame fairly & squarely on the shoulders of the A-League& saying “Pim told us so(see Ray Gatt article in the Australian today also below).

The fact is the truth lies somewhere in between the 2 articles.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25149386-5003460,00.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/time-has-come-for-pim-to-put-plan-b-into-action/2009/03/06/1235842658274.html

I think Pim has misread the football culture of Australia. Football in Australia is still battle scared and has a fear that it could all go down hill and go back to the start. We see how Craig Foster get hounded for some of his criticism shows that football is generally very sensitive to criticism with a believe that if there is too much criticism, Australian football will be damage irreparably .

With that in mind Pim has to be very careful about the way he criticise the a-league and the players and showed far more diplomacy and tact that Fozzie rarely has if he wanted to avoid the same criticism. Case in point was the harmless “absolutely hopeless’ comment that was beat up by the media. Lack of understanding that media will pick up the catch line – hopeless and ignore everything else he says. Training in europe better then A-league – simple justification that beauchamp, kennedy and spiranovich are training in a very high level and that training in bundesliga is very intense and are still good enough to be picked for the socceroos instead of unnecessary comparison to the a-league would have avoided controversy. He would still be saying and doing the same thing but avoiding lines that could be beaten up by media.

That just shows inexperience handling with the media. maybe difficult getting right words as english is his second language

He had it last year. he has been complaining about lack of preparation for the indonesia match. We know that A-league clubs have a frosty relationship with Pim. We have clubs who tried to pull players out of Pim training camp in the past. I’m more convince of club vs country scenario rather then Pim just being lazy. I know you don’t like PIm as a coach but you are taking it way too far if you think he is too lazy to have camps. Especially when he says he prefers a club like atmosphere where he has regular contacts with players in contrast to international matches he rarely works with the players (he actually express an interest in coaching A-league clubs after his stint with the socceroos has finish funny enough)

Thursday night showed that Pimbo has no understanding of the local landscape or how to tackle the obstacles that confront the HAL players.. He does not know how to prepare a team restricted to the local conditions… The HAL players are good players without a good manager… This is mainly why I don’t like foreign managers as they have no understanding of local conditions.. Guus the only exception.. That’s why Terry Venables failed in 1997 he had no understanding of the local players talent or worth… Choosing players that were not up to the task.. instead of the good local talent… Milan Ivanovic …

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KB

Pimbo is based in Australia and a lot of the A-League players have been available for weeks, so why did we have only 2 days preparation for this game?

He could have started a local Socceroos train on squad a month ago and prepared the lads a lot better.
As each finals game finished he could have added players as they become available.

What’s the story Pimbo?
You want the A-League Socceroos to lose to make yourself look better?

Yeah that rant was a bit off topic (allthough this topic is partially about Ogre leaving the socceroos) but I don’t like this allegiance to the country of parent origin. I don’t vote in the country of parent origin, i’m never going to pay taxes to that country, their government are not going to serve me. I owe the country of my parents origin absolutely nothing.

I guess the difference is that with International Football we don’t think of it as a job but more of representing your country.

IN the end if Ogre just sees this as purely as a career/business decision but feels deep down that he is Australian at heart then I can tolerate it. But that then raises a can of worms about what does international football really mean then.

A hyphen Australia. Ideally with second-generation migrant to have an attitude (1st generation who weren’- I rather be uncapped then represent another country. I think if you’re born here and you’re raised here and your a citizen of Australia (and not of your parents) why should you want to represent another country? If Ogre moved to macedonia and believes it’s a great place to live and migrates there then that’s another story but that’s not the case. Honestly I can understand why a H. Kewell whose family living in England, Viduka who has a house in Croatia and married a girl living there when he was playing in Croatia or Bresciano who lives in Italy would want to represent there respective country of origin. Someone who has no intentions of living in their country of origin I find it hard to take.

So do you have allegiance to the ethnicity – I thought in modern society the importance of ethnicity should be de-emphasise. What’s to be proud of the fact that your gene is less then 0.01% different to anglo Australians that cause you to have different skin tone.

Are you loyal to your culture – Ideally Australia is a multi-cultural society (although there is a trend that is becoming a dirty word). It’s also a liberal society. To be Australian is to be yourself and follow your own path whether that is more inline with the culture of heritage it doesn’t matter. The only thing that does matter is that whatever you do or what ever you behave you do it as Australians. If you speak italian, chinese, vietnamese at home, go to buddhist temple, muslim mosque, eat whatever food your culture has, have more conservative values, all of that is equally Australian as watching cricket, having a BBQ etc. That’s why I don’t buy this I’m more (insert ethnicity of parents) then Australian.

Australia is a country that mostly (there are few nationalist exceptions) encourages people to stay true to their culture. If people then turn their backs on Australia it’s taking advantage of that generosity. There are plenty other countries in the world that are monocultural who don’t encourage ethnic or cultural diversity. Why the hell should Australia be a multicultural country if the children grows up more loyal to the country of parents origin then loyal to Australia. It defeats the whole purpose of multiculturalism. Everytime I here 2nd generation migrants (whom I’m part of) complain that they are more (insert ethnicity of parents) then Australian, the more empathetic I feel about nationalist who want multiculturalism to be abandon. this type of attitude threatens the concept of multiculturalism (in which I’m a huge supporter of)

That’s why I’m pretty annoyed at people like Simunic, Didulica, Ognenovski etc

Jon Davidson from Sydeny played cricket at he world cup for Canada and there is a guy called Nash from Brisbane currently playing cricket for the West Indies because I think his grandfather was born in Jamaica.

I have no issue with Og’s decision. Given a few years ago he was playing in the VPL and was unwanted by the A league he will have some great stories to tell his grand kids. Probably more interesting stories than I played Kuwait at Canberra Stadium and we lost.

Holland, Schwab and Australian licensed agent, do dirty deal with AZ Alkmaaar … Holland’s “real contracted” licensed agent to act

The corruption around Socceroo jersey allocation right now is disgusting.

Matt Simon ? puuuullllleeeeezzzzzz …….

Schwab, is trying to get FFA to sweep this under the carpet … but I believe it could be big.

Why does the PFA want to offer agent services to players ?

Why do the PFA have a staff member (who is a solicitor anyway) listed on the licensed player agents’ list

Did that “agent” sit the agent’s exam ?

So does he really lose much by giving Macedonia a go – not really – I say good luck to him!

To me this is a totally different issue to an 19 year old coming out of the AIS at taxpayer’s expense and then opting to represent another country – I can’t abide that sort of scenario – but I have absolutely no problem with the Ogre pursuing something like this so late in his career, and I really hope he cracks it for a few games in Europe.

This Sasha fella’s rant against Verbeek hides the fact that as a child of migrants, he has a allegiance to both Australia and his parents country of origin.

But he DARE not state that he has TWO allegiances else he will be forever accused of being not 100% Australian.

Therfore, he uses this opportunity to make out that he is only choosing FYROM because he feels offended.

It seems that it was a media beat up and they are quoting words out of context as pim actually complemented those two players. At worst he was naive in choosing the word “hopeless’ which is petrol for media attention when he could have used less harsh words like “played poorly” but it was hardly any malice or some negative psychology ploy.

It’s fine to say things like `Dutch are blunt’ etc., when has that type of negative psychology worked? Maybe I’ve done too many corporate coaching seminars but the leader should be positive, affirmitive, and inclusive of all involved. What Pim has done is similar to humiliating a student in front of the class room, as far as Archie and Allsop is concerned. He will get us throught the WC qualifiers, but I don’t hold much hope for the finals if he stays

A very fair and reasonable comment, Jimbo. A shame it doesn’t seem to apply to comments made about Graeme Arnold or Pim Verbeek.