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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/03/09/punish-indiscretions-with-comp-points/comment-page-2/#comment-125040</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.leaguehq.com.au/articles/2009/03/10/1236447208112.html

According to this he&#039;s been formally charged, although there&#039;s no statement/quotes from police, so it may just be a media beatup</description>
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<p>According to this he&#8217;s been formally charged, although there&#8217;s no statement/quotes from police, so it may just be a media beatup</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/03/09/punish-indiscretions-with-comp-points/comment-page-2/#comment-124835</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Answer,

My point exactly.  The case already carries the stench of media beatup - the single eyewitness report says that a heavily drunken Stewart crash-tackled the girl in question, yet somehow the papers are talking about sexual assault and rape - and we&#039;re buying into it in spades with articles like this.  This article hasn&#039;t been thought through properly, or been written with any consideration of practicalities and logistics - it&#039;s a just an outlet for the writer&#039;s indignation rather than a serious attempt to propose a solution to the NRL&#039;s &#039;problems&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Answer,</p>
<p>My point exactly.  The case already carries the stench of media beatup &#8211; the single eyewitness report says that a heavily drunken Stewart crash-tackled the girl in question, yet somehow the papers are talking about sexual assault and rape &#8211; and we&#8217;re buying into it in spades with articles like this.  This article hasn&#8217;t been thought through properly, or been written with any consideration of practicalities and logistics &#8211; it&#8217;s a just an outlet for the writer&#8217;s indignation rather than a serious attempt to propose a solution to the NRL&#8217;s &#8216;problems&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: The Answer</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/03/09/punish-indiscretions-with-comp-points/comment-page-2/#comment-124832</link>
		<dc:creator>The Answer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

I don&#039;t like the chances of what you were saying coming out. There was an article snuck in the back of the sports pages of the Herald about how the police cheif in charge of the Bulldogs case never thought there was anything in it and thought his colleagues simply got carried away investigating big stars months after it had all blown over.

This of course didn&#039;t fit in well with the Magnay&#039;s, O&#039;Hallorans et al who ahd nailed their colours to the flag early doors. They still bring it up every chance they get despite no player at the club every being charged.

There is little humility in modern journalism so don&#039;t expect them to say sory if they&#039;ve dragged you through the mud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the chances of what you were saying coming out. There was an article snuck in the back of the sports pages of the Herald about how the police cheif in charge of the Bulldogs case never thought there was anything in it and thought his colleagues simply got carried away investigating big stars months after it had all blown over.</p>
<p>This of course didn&#8217;t fit in well with the Magnay&#8217;s, O&#8217;Hallorans et al who ahd nailed their colours to the flag early doors. They still bring it up every chance they get despite no player at the club every being charged.</p>
<p>There is little humility in modern journalism so don&#8217;t expect them to say sory if they&#8217;ve dragged you through the mud.</p>
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		<title>By: The Answer</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/03/09/punish-indiscretions-with-comp-points/comment-page-2/#comment-124831</link>
		<dc:creator>The Answer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Rah Rah.

Sorry gabriel, I can&#039;t see how this would work other than being some sort of feel-good factor to make everyone think the world would magically become a happier place.

The Bulldogs weren&#039;t charged with anything, that seems to have been forgotten, so what do they gets stung with? 

Surely it shouldn&#039; just be down to allegations?

And the Tigers players all came from their feeder team , so if guilty does the first grade team cop the hit?

What is worse, a cam shepherd, todd carney panel beating session against a player getting pissed in a pub?

Let&#039;s leave the tables to reflect the actions on the field and the cops to sort out the stuff off it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Rah Rah.</p>
<p>Sorry gabriel, I can&#8217;t see how this would work other than being some sort of feel-good factor to make everyone think the world would magically become a happier place.</p>
<p>The Bulldogs weren&#8217;t charged with anything, that seems to have been forgotten, so what do they gets stung with? </p>
<p>Surely it shouldn&#8217; just be down to allegations?</p>
<p>And the Tigers players all came from their feeder team , so if guilty does the first grade team cop the hit?</p>
<p>What is worse, a cam shepherd, todd carney panel beating session against a player getting pissed in a pub?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s leave the tables to reflect the actions on the field and the cops to sort out the stuff off it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/03/09/punish-indiscretions-with-comp-points/comment-page-2/#comment-124795</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@wally - if it isn&#039;t true, will the girl apologise for publishing unfounded accusations about Stewart?  Will the media?  Will -anyone-?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wally &#8211; if it isn&#8217;t true, will the girl apologise for publishing unfounded accusations about Stewart?  Will the media?  Will -anyone-?</p>
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		<title>By: znotty</title>
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		<dc:creator>znotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wallythefly...fair comment but i haven`t published anything ROAR has &amp; thats my point.but your right i should not have said &quot;drunken&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wallythefly&#8230;fair comment but i haven`t published anything ROAR has &amp; thats my point.but your right i should not have said &#8220;drunken&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: wallythefly</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/03/09/punish-indiscretions-with-comp-points/comment-page-1/#comment-124732</link>
		<dc:creator>wallythefly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>znotty, if its true will you apologise for publishing unfounded accusations about the teenage girl?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>znotty, if its true will you apologise for publishing unfounded accusations about the teenage girl?</p>
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		<title>By: znotty</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/03/09/punish-indiscretions-with-comp-points/comment-page-1/#comment-124701</link>
		<dc:creator>znotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes thats right if i make an accusation like &quot;that person hit me&quot; the police arrest them &amp; when there`s no evidence no charges are laid,2nd i bet Dad says &quot;something happened&quot; what Father wouldn`t ? &amp; so what if Stewart cant remember that just goes to show that nothing happened in the first place &amp; what slip up? ..no charges have been laid,Stewart has not &quot;slipped up&quot; you have by writing it in the first place.
year after year we have false rape &amp; sex attack claims aimed at our players &amp; the reason is because idiot journo`s jump up &amp; down about fair game &amp; high profile well your a joke &amp; if this allegation is proven false you should apologize to Stewart for publishing unfounded accusations from drunken teenagers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes thats right if i make an accusation like &#8220;that person hit me&#8221; the police arrest them &amp; when there`s no evidence no charges are laid,2nd i bet Dad says &#8220;something happened&#8221; what Father wouldn`t ? &amp; so what if Stewart cant remember that just goes to show that nothing happened in the first place &amp; what slip up? ..no charges have been laid,Stewart has not &#8220;slipped up&#8221; you have by writing it in the first place.<br />
year after year we have false rape &amp; sex attack claims aimed at our players &amp; the reason is because idiot journo`s jump up &amp; down about fair game &amp; high profile well your a joke &amp; if this allegation is proven false you should apologize to Stewart for publishing unfounded accusations from drunken teenagers.</p>
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		<title>By: Rah Rah Rasputin</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/03/09/punish-indiscretions-with-comp-points/comment-page-1/#comment-124696</link>
		<dc:creator>Rah Rah Rasputin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a question...

How do you put a value on these &quot;indiscretions&quot;? 

Is it 4 points for pissing on someone&#039;s leg, 8 points for jumping on cars, 16 points for glassing your girlfriend in the face?

In this case, if the accusations prove do prove to be true, I&#039;d hate to be David Gallop having explain to the media that after hours and hours of deliberation the NRL (probably via some special board made up of ex players) had decided that docking Manly 37 competition points was an adequate penalty for one of there player committing sexual assault.

I&#039;m sure that will be awfully comforting to the young girl and her family.

Something is seriously wrong with Australia in 2009 if the docking of competition points acts as a greater deterrent to committing criminal acts then the possibility of going to prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a question&#8230;</p>
<p>How do you put a value on these &#8220;indiscretions&#8221;? </p>
<p>Is it 4 points for pissing on someone&#8217;s leg, 8 points for jumping on cars, 16 points for glassing your girlfriend in the face?</p>
<p>In this case, if the accusations prove do prove to be true, I&#8217;d hate to be David Gallop having explain to the media that after hours and hours of deliberation the NRL (probably via some special board made up of ex players) had decided that docking Manly 37 competition points was an adequate penalty for one of there player committing sexual assault.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that will be awfully comforting to the young girl and her family.</p>
<p>Something is seriously wrong with Australia in 2009 if the docking of competition points acts as a greater deterrent to committing criminal acts then the possibility of going to prison.</p>
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		<title>By: Searly</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/03/09/punish-indiscretions-with-comp-points/comment-page-1/#comment-124695</link>
		<dc:creator>Searly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh give me a break! Competition points? While we&#039;re at it, we could enact legislation that says the value of a company&#039;s shares will be automatically halved whenever one its employees farts at an after-work p*ss up!

Znotty is dead right. Why on earth can&#039;t we just leave these things up to the cops and let everyone else just get on with it?! If it&#039;s found to be based in fact and he&#039;s found guilty, let the law deal with him as it would with any other member of society. Until such time, he&#039;s innocent as far as I&#039;m concerned. And I&#039;m pleased to see that that seems to be Manly&#039;s position on the matter thus far too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh give me a break! Competition points? While we&#8217;re at it, we could enact legislation that says the value of a company&#8217;s shares will be automatically halved whenever one its employees farts at an after-work p*ss up!</p>
<p>Znotty is dead right. Why on earth can&#8217;t we just leave these things up to the cops and let everyone else just get on with it?! If it&#8217;s found to be based in fact and he&#8217;s found guilty, let the law deal with him as it would with any other member of society. Until such time, he&#8217;s innocent as far as I&#8217;m concerned. And I&#8217;m pleased to see that that seems to be Manly&#8217;s position on the matter thus far too.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarky</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/03/09/punish-indiscretions-with-comp-points/comment-page-1/#comment-124678</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>znotty - according to the reports, he was arrested and not charged after refusing to be interviewed. He has supplied a DNA sample. The girl&#039;s father is adamant something happened. Stewart now says he can&#039;t remember but is worried. Hmmm, yes sounds like the teenage girl is making it up. 
If you are a high profile person (sport or otherwise) then you have to expect that any slip-up will make headlines. End of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>znotty &#8211; according to the reports, he was arrested and not charged after refusing to be interviewed. He has supplied a DNA sample. The girl&#8217;s father is adamant something happened. Stewart now says he can&#8217;t remember but is worried. Hmmm, yes sounds like the teenage girl is making it up.<br />
If you are a high profile person (sport or otherwise) then you have to expect that any slip-up will make headlines. End of story.</p>
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		<title>By: znotty</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/03/09/punish-indiscretions-with-comp-points/comment-page-1/#comment-124672</link>
		<dc:creator>znotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a joke,a teenager makes an allegation against a highly respected player &amp; all we get is hysteria,NO CHARGES have been laid &amp; a its almost certainly a bogus accusation because NO CHARGES have been laid &amp; as for punishing employers for employees actionswe should apply it to ROAR then if your boss is getting fined for the crap like this mabye your form will improve,I for one am sick to death of blanket coverage of un-named unproven  teenage girls accusations against our footballers. 
What a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a joke,a teenager makes an allegation against a highly respected player &amp; all we get is hysteria,NO CHARGES have been laid &amp; a its almost certainly a bogus accusation because NO CHARGES have been laid &amp; as for punishing employers for employees actionswe should apply it to ROAR then if your boss is getting fined for the crap like this mabye your form will improve,I for one am sick to death of blanket coverage of un-named unproven  teenage girls accusations against our footballers.<br />
What a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett McKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oikee, you raise a disturbing and fair point, but I think Gabriel might be onto something here.  It certainly seems too good an idea not to look into further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oikee, you raise a disturbing and fair point, but I think Gabriel might be onto something here.  It certainly seems too good an idea not to look into further.</p>
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		<title>By: oikee</title>
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		<dc:creator>oikee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only one problem their Clarky, what happens if all the teams are on Zero because of indiscreations. Manly will crack down on this problem, if it is a problem. The police and the club will sort it out, lets just get on with the footy.., the way we are going the under 20&#039;s will be the main game. Be no senior players left. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only one problem their Clarky, what happens if all the teams are on Zero because of indiscreations. Manly will crack down on this problem, if it is a problem. The police and the club will sort it out, lets just get on with the footy.., the way we are going the under 20&#8242;s will be the main game. Be no senior players left. <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Clarky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wholeheartedly agree. The players don&#039;t seem to respect anything other than competition points. Fines and suspensions don&#039;t seem to work. Ensure clubs are docked points for indiscretions, and all of a sudden the culture of a club is of vital importance to winning a competition. Bring it on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree. The players don&#8217;t seem to respect anything other than competition points. Fines and suspensions don&#8217;t seem to work. Ensure clubs are docked points for indiscretions, and all of a sudden the culture of a club is of vital importance to winning a competition. Bring it on!</p>
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