FIFA eligibility laws need some changes
By dasilva, 30 Mar 2009 dasilva is a Roar Guru
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Australia is now facing various recent issues associated with FIFA eligibility laws. On one hand we have players like Bradden Inman and Rhys Williams who are set to represent Scotland and Wales respectively due to nationality of their parents.
On the other hand we have players like Kofi Danning who has lived in this country for 10 years are set to be forbidden to represent Young Socceroos (pending appeal from FFA) as he hasn’t lived in this country for 5 years after the age of 18 (he is only 17 years old).
Other Australian players like John Cisak and Julius Davies may also be kept out of the loop for this reason. A lot of these players migrated to Australia as refugees and are now forbidden to represent Australia.
From Article 17 of FIFA Statute:
Any Player who to assume a new nationality and who has not played international football shall be eligible to play for the new representative team only if he fulfills one of the following conditions:
(a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
(b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
(c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
(d) He has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 on the territory of the relevant Association.
Article 17 (d) was added to FIFA Statute to address this issue of Qatar Football Association policy of scouting 10 years old from South America and Africa and bringing them over to Qatar to represent their national team.
I praise FIFA to attempt to stop this practice; I have to question whether this is the right way to go about it. Firstly, all this means is that it will take longer for the South American and African born players to represent Qatar.
I don’t believe this will stop the practice and the better way is to regulate transfer of players to clubs and to fine association for encouraging this practice.
Secondly, what right does FIFA has in telling those players who have lived in Qatar for 5 years that they aren’t Qatari in nationality and can’t represent their country.
I agree in punishing the association but you shouldn’t punish the players that were being poached as they are innocent in this. Australia is now caught in this crossfire due to the actions of the QFA. 5 years over the age of 18 to represent a country is overkill and should be change back to a simple 5 years of residence.
Now I will argue that Article 17 (b) and (c) should be removed from FIFA statute. We can get on our high horses and criticise the likes of Bradden Inman and Joe Simunic but in the end their decision was legal and they are taking advantage of the laws of the game.
However I think it’s a terrible rule.
The International Cricket Council agrees and after the 1996 World Cup where the UAE team was filled with mostly Indians who weren’t residence of UAE and only had 2 locally born players in the squad, the ICC change the laws saying you could only play for the country of birth or residence for the last 5 years which stop the practice of playing for the country of your parents. FIFA would do well to adopt that policy.
The reason why I dislike the concept of playing for the nation of your parents is that I believe what’s more important is where you grew up, which countries raise you, which countries you are contributing to society and which society that contributed to your welfare.
People shouldn’t be putting ethnicity or even culture to the scenario. My justification for this will get in to issues beyond sport.
I reject the notion that people having “insert race blood” running through their veins and that people should be loyal to their ethnicity. I always thought in modern society the importance of ethnicity should be de-emphasised.
What’s to be proud of the fact that your gene is less then 0.01% different to Anglo-Australians that cause you to have different skin tone. We also don’t celebrate having different blood type (ABO system) which is the real difference between the bloods running through your veins.
Some people feel that they have more in common with the culture of their parents then they do with the culture of mainstream society.
I have no problem with that as Australia along with other countries is a multicultural society as well as a liberal society.
To be Australian is to be yourself and follow your own path whether that is more inline with the culture of heritage it doesn’t matter. The only thing that does matter is that whatever you do or what ever you behave you do it as an Australians.
If you speak Italian, Chinese, Vietnamese at home, go to Buddhist temple, Muslim mosque, eat whatever food your culture has, and have more conservative values, all of that is equally Australian as watching cricket, having a BBQ etc.
Australia is a country that mostly (there are few nationalist exceptions) encourages people to stay true to their culture. If people then turn their backs on Australia and represent the country of their parents then it’s taking advantage of that generosity.
Why should Australia be a multicultural country if the children grow up more loyal to the country of parent’s origin then loyal to Australia?
It defeats the whole purpose of multiculturalism and give fuels to ultra-nationalist. I believe allowing people to represent the country of parents birth undermines the principle of multiculturalism in many countries as well as encourage unnecessary divisions in society and hence it is a bad rule.
If FIFA ends up copying ICC eligibility rules, someone like Mark Bresciano would be eligible for Italy and Australia, Jason Culina would be eligible for Australia and Netherlands and Joe Simunic would be eligible for Australia and Germany but they wouldn’t be allowed to represent Croatia which I believe is fair enough.
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March 30th 2009 @ 10:45am
Millster said | March 30th 2009 @ 10:45am | Report comment
Pip – and I repeat my opposition to that notion on 3 basic but very important grounds:
1. Australia is a net recipient across a wide range of endeavours of the skills, talents and values of other parts of the world. If you’re talking real, holistic quid pro quo then we owe the world a hell of a lot more than a couple of handy foreign athletes a year…
2. In the grand scheme of Government expenditures on Health, Defence etc, the AIS budget is peanuts and therefore a 5% diversion of that budget to the benefit of foreign nations is peanuts. Think of it as part of our foreign aid program
3. Why would you not apply the same logic to Aussies who go on to make millions for themsleves after training at the AIS? Why would you not also want quid pro quo from the Ian Thorpe’s, the Mark Viduka’s, the Andrew Bogut’s of this world?
March 30th 2009 @ 11:06am
Pippinu said | March 30th 2009 @ 11:06am | Report comment
Millster
re point 3 – that’s exactly right – there is an argument for aligning AIS scholarships with what happens with the rest of tertiary education – you pay off the cost in line with your capacity to pay (and for an elite few, they’ll pay the cost inside a couple of years!)
March 30th 2009 @ 11:52am
dasilva said | March 30th 2009 @ 11:52am | Report comment
I make a clear distinction between migration and just having parents from another country.
If Bresciano wants to play for Italy. Kewell wants to play for England, Viduka wants to play for England or Croatia then I can’t tell them that they are traitors or making the wrong choice etc.
The fact is people have the right to migrate to another country and all of them are migrants of the respective country. If I move to another country and say that I feel a greater affinity with that country then my country of birth then that’s there choice.
I don’t make any distinction whether they come over for footballing reasons, refugee reasons or economic reasons. The fact is people move to another country for various reasons. However when they move here people can develop affinity and ties to that country, Kewell moved to England for footballing reasons, If within the years he live in that country, he then say I love England, my family is enjoying life here. I want to represent England because this is my home now then I can’t tell him that his feelings for that countries is false and we should give him the choice to represent England or Australia and shouldn’t begrudge whatever decision he makes.
Also if another person migrates to Australia and then choose to represent the country of their birth. That’s fine as well. After all “I still call Australian home” is still applicable to other countries.
My point is that if you never lived in that country and say I want to represent the country of my parents then that’s where I have the problem. The person is not qualified to make a judgement to say that I’m more let’s say English/Vietnamese/Croatian/Scottish then Australian etc because they never lived there. They don’t know what life is like in those countries. I believe it’s more of loyalty to the fantasy of the country rather then the actual country when people say I’m more “insert race” then Australian. Sure I’m happy in giving people the choice to choose which country they have more affinity to but I don’t believe a person can make an inform choice based on their preconception in what the country is like without actual experience. I’m telling you the migrant culture in Australia is different to the culture of the society where there parents come from.
Even if the culture were identical to the migrant culture in Australia and people feel more loyalty to the culture of the countries of origin then the mainstream culture of the country of birth. I’ll still think it’s still irrelevant. The fact that the person is true to their culture is reflective of Australian culture and it’s liberal ideas that we don’t force people to behave like everyone else. So in fact people are practicing Australian culture without realizing it. Secondly I think there’s a big difference between being loyal to your culture and being loyal to the country. Sure you behave unlike rest of Australia and you are proud of it, but that doesn’t change the fact that australia is the country that raised you and looked after you and is responsible for your welfare. The country of your parents are not responsible at all and shouldn’t get the benefits without doing any work for it.
March 30th 2009 @ 12:17pm
Art Sapphire said | March 30th 2009 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
dasilva – you should have just stopped with the article.
In a few hundred words you have not only wasted your time but my time as well (why did I have to read it?) coming up with the most ridiculous generalisations.
Stop worrrying about culture, identity, migrants and,most of all, what people decide to do with their lives, especially football players.
Try and think positve thoughts like qualifying for the WC in 2010 : )
March 30th 2009 @ 12:22pm
Millster said | March 30th 2009 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
Das – just testing your statement… I know what you’re getting at but don’t know whether it really works that way in real life.
Australia basically raised me and caused me to be educated, fed, healthy, successful, happy etc. But I work for a European multinational with strong worldwide government/military linkages, and our strategy is more often than not in the interests of those European ‘parents’ to whom we belong. Similarly, commercially, the business is almost toally owned by European institutional investors and national governments. So in a very real sense all of the investment that Australia has put into me is turning into benefits for another country. I think this would be the case for many, many successful Australians.
On your “loyalty to the fantasy of a country”, again I see what you are saying and agree theoretically, but if that’s the case so be it. If some Greek-cultured person in Melbourne has never spent more than a couple of boozy holidays in his/her “homeland” but nevertheless wraps themselves in that country’ss history and culture then that’s cool. And if they get their pride and esteem from that, good on them. Now if they are at the same time and elite talented football player and can reflect their passion – even if it is just a “fantasy passion” – through representing their homeland then who are we to begrudge them?
I guess onto the bottom line point, to me it would be unAustralian to force anyone to be Australian. Better we just let people pursue their passions and their identity, and see it all as part of the fabric of this amazing, diverse, free country.
March 30th 2009 @ 12:38pm
True Tah said | March 30th 2009 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
Dasilva
if Rhys Williams wants to play for Wales let him, lets face it Australia as a futbol nation is going more places than Wales ever will, they will not be in SA 2010.
FFA cant let guys who are not definitely in the side hold them to ransom.
March 30th 2009 @ 2:23pm
Midfielder said | March 30th 2009 @ 2:23pm | Report comment
Art
Cannot agree with you….. Das has asked a number of interesting questions and whether we like to admit it or not we have 250 players in Europe under 23… not all are Socceroo quality but we need to have an understanding of what may go throught their minds as we cannot afford to loose the best of these players.
A kid at 17 who has been in Europe for 2 years and struggling to make it into the big league with all that offers is in a difficult position to turn down an approach for an international place.
I think this thread has added to our general understanding of a very complex issue more over as I said with over 250 U23 players in Europe I did list them in a thread a while back …we cannot afford to loose the best of em.
March 30th 2009 @ 3:31pm
Brian said | March 30th 2009 @ 3:31pm | Report comment
Da Silva
If you want to watch a bunch of guys who want to live in England versus a bunch of guys who chose Spain you can watch Chelsea play Barcelona. Personally if Kaka turned up for Italy in the next World Cup and Tevez played for England I think the whole tournament would be a waste of time. The cricket wouldn’t be much better if Vettori started bowling for the higher paying Indians after the IPL runs for a few years. On a more local note if Mark Viduka feels Croatian why shouldn’t he be allowed to play for them irrespective of where he was born. If I was forced to leave Australia for war-torn reasons I would hope my kid would at least have the option of playing for Australia. Sure he wouldn’t have to but why deny the option. With regards to the AIS I agree a HECS type scheme is appropriate so guys like Simunic can play for Croatia but not at the expense of the Australian taxpayer.
March 30th 2009 @ 3:32pm
dasilva said | March 30th 2009 @ 3:32pm | Report comment
Millster
fair enough. I guess my argument is under the assumption that international sport is more then just a job but an expression of national identity. That you are representing your own country.
When I hear Ogre, Bradden or Rhys saying I would play for the Socceroos preferentially but if no call up I’ll represent another country. It makes sense if you think, this is just a job and this is my livelihood and I can work for whom ever I want. I want to represent one company (FFA) but if I can’t get that job I work for a competing company that is giving me the same (or better) opportunities. Just like you work for an international company that benefits another country.
However I like to believe that international sport is more then just a job but a reflection of national identity and that these people are playing for their country and not just their livelihood. I just believe that changing the eligibility laws from FIFA to be similar to the eligibility laws present in ICC is a better reflection of representing your country.
the point that you can’t force people to be Australian. Well, in the end you can’t force people but I don’t think it’s an attitude to be encourage as it does bring out tensions in this country. In any case if a kid in Australia wants to represent the country of their parents in football (let’s say Greece) they can always move to greece and lived there for 5 years and then represent that country. If they do that then it’s certainly shows they are committed to that cause. Changing the laws is not getting rid of that choice but it just makes it a bit harder.
March 30th 2009 @ 3:47pm
Art Sapphire said | March 30th 2009 @ 3:47pm | Report comment
Midfielder – I did not have a problem as such with the article. Dasilva can pose as many questions as he likes on this issue.
You have to remember that this issue does not only affect Australia and FIFA has a diificult balancing act when it has to deal with the concerns of so many stakeholders.
The criticism was directed at dasilva’s second “cultural” offering. It was gibberish.
I am just sick of all this hysterical, tub thumping, knee-jerk, jingoistic nonsense everytime a player gets mentioned that he is about to jump the good ship “Oz”. We might as well call them the One Nation team to appease these so called patriots.
I would not want to Dasilva in that boat, but please spare me the cultural theory.
Without the role of migrants there would be no Socceroos and there certainly would not be the critical mass to make Australia a great football nation the 21st century. It is because of this rich migrant history that we have these player issues… It came with the package.
As to your statement that Australia can’t afford to lose its best players.
Well, if it happens it happens. No point crying about it. You can’t stop people making these choices.
As I said before, the Socceroos should be representing the “lucky” country not the “sooky” country.
Hopefully, for everyone concerened, the country will one day develop so many players of technique and quality that it no longer becomes an issue.