The dilemma of being the Sydney Swans
By Adrian Musolino, 7 Apr 2009 Adrian Musolino is a Roar Expert
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Cameron Stokes of Hawthorn kicks for goal chased by Paul Bevan (front) and Jarred MvVeigh (rear) of Sydney during the AFL Round 02 match between the Sydney Swans and the Hawthorn Hawks at ANZ Stadium. Slattery Images
How many would show up? That was the critical question as Hawthorn headed north for their first visit to ANZ Stadium and the Sydney Swans faced the same old questions about their ability, their supporter base, and their standing in Sydney’s fickle market.
Fickle is the best way to describe the Sydney sporting market: like a roller coaster, the peaks and troughs of crowd support are extreme.
With a long history of trying to cement their position in the home of rugby, the Sydney Swans now must re-assure fans that their best days aren’t behind them, that the days of consecutive Grand Final appearances and flags are still realistic goals.
With the dip in form following their premiership success, Swans membership numbers this season are down by around 6,000 on last year’s figure and the club reported a $800,000 loss for 2008.
The ravens that hover over the Swans use such statistics to point to the inability of the club to cement themselves in the heart of Sydney, especially in light of the ongoing discussions over the sustainability of a second Sydney team based out in the city’s expansive western suburbs.
But the Swans have made significant head way since the fledgling and dark times of financial struggle and on-field capitulations of the late eighties and early nineties.
33,116 turned up to ANZ Stadium Saturday night, a very healthy crowd.
The crowd was rewarded with a brilliant performance from the home team, who nullified the Hawks threat, albeit a Hawks team missing several of its key premiership players.
In typical Sydney fashion, it was the veterans, Adam Goodes, Barry Hall and Brett Kirk who led from the front. Whether these aging players can keep that form going for the remainder of the season remains to be seen.
But what of the time when players like these are forced into retirement? Success is critical for the Swans, perhaps more so than other clubs.
The Swans can’t afford laborious and lengthy rebuilding phases. The fans would simply turn away in droves. Look at Sydney FC crowd figures last season as a point of reference.
Hence the over-reliance on established stars traded in from other teams throughout the Swans recent history: think Barry Hall, Tony Lockett, Dermott Brereton and Paul Roos.
In the build up to the match against Hawthorn, Paul Roos cleverly played up the ability of Buddy Franklin, achieving two goals: deflecting the attention away from his own team and their round one capitulation, and putting the pressure squarely on his opponents, while also stressing to the Sydney public to get out and see one of the games’ champions.
He knew the media’s focus would be on the crowd the Swans could generate at ANZ Stadium and he played it brilliantly. It was PR spin worthy of a politician.
Roos is the best person to lead the Swans. He understands the Sydney market and its unique features.
The Swans streak of six straight seasons of finals football was widely tipped to come to an end this season with its ageing squad. After the performance against the Hawks, a seventh consecutive finals appearance isn’t beyond reach.
This is a necessity, such is the dilemma of the Swans.
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megatron said | April 7th 2009 @ 10:29am | Report comment
Still can’t see them making the 8. There are too many other good teams and I don’t see the veterans playing like that week in and out.
Tom said | April 7th 2009 @ 10:52am | Report comment
Heatlhy crowd, but if thats the best they can get at Homebush why would they ever leave the SCG?
Lazza said | April 7th 2009 @ 11:43am | Report comment
“The Swans can’t afford laborious and lengthy rebuilding phases”
That’s the way the AFL works? A period of success means you are denied the best talent through the draft system and inevitably you fall down the table. That’s why I can’t see 4 AFL clubs being a success in the Rugby League states, especially in an 18 team competition.
They are going to have long periods with no success and probably very little interest.
Michael C said | April 7th 2009 @ 11:50am | Report comment
Tom – you asked if thats the best they can get at Homebush why would they ever leave the SCG?
last year, they drew about 34.9K for Essendon, 44K for West Coast and as good as 60K for Collingwood and finished with a 4th game at the venue for the first time in a H&A season with 44.9K vs Geelong.
On that basis – - you can see why they’ve bothered. In 2007, the 3 matches there averaged over 60K (but, that WAS one out of the box and included abnormals like the field of pink cancer awareness promotion in the Syd vs StKilda match that drew over 60K that otherwise probably wouldn’t have.).
Over the last couple of years with new construction at the SCG and reduced capacity, again, there was a good reason to play at Homebush. Since 2001, they’ve played at least 3 games H&A games a year at the venue
figures as below
Year Total Matches Avg
2009 36,116 1 36,116
2008 183,360 4 45,840
2007 190,177 3 63,392
2006 134,998 3 44,999
2005 119,567 3 39,856
2004 129,658 3 43,219
2003 149,113 3 49,704
2002 128,919 3 42,973
so, some pretty good numbers out there. The Swans generally sell a good few thousand 3 or 4 game passes for the Homebush matches. Last I saw about 2 weeks ago was total membership around 24K plus about 7K Homebush passes – so, they were hoping for around 30K there abouts, and got it. The great benefit obviously is that those 7K or however many Homebush passes would be people NOT engaged in all likelihood if the Swans only played at the SCG. You can see though why the AFL would love a 2nd team up there with more regular matches out of Homebush or wherever (Blacktown boutique stadium??) and allow the Swans to be playing more regularly at the SCG. Certainly 30-40K at the SCG is impressive but at Homebush is only half full.
Michael C said | April 7th 2009 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
Lazza -
the allure of a 2 team city/state is you hope at least for x-town rivalry. i.e. if you can’t win the whole lot, then, at least for the Dockers, in Perth, try and beat the Eagles as an example.
The speed of rebuilding can be very quick, Carlton were the exception because they had salary cap penalties that excluded them in part from early parts of drafts and the penalty was an extended period at the bottom of the table.
The Swans so far have had an advantage of being a good ‘re-birthing’ centre. i.e. just like how NRL players can thrive in the annonymity of MElbourne, so too, AFL players up in Sydney. Therefore being a good player recycling option.
The question is whether 2 years is too long a rebuilding period? 1 year? 4 years? The job of the AFL is to ensure that teams that DO bottom out, aren’t too greatly impacted by dropping off of financials. Because, for all clubs – success breeds success, no matter the club or the code – - it’s just each club may operate on a different scale.
megatron said | April 7th 2009 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
Lazza that’s why they rely on trades and hang onto veterans.
Worlds Biggest said | April 7th 2009 @ 12:49pm | Report comment
I don’t know if the AFL & Swans would have been happy with the crowd, the Premiers in Town playing a blockbuster against the Swans. What hasn’t helped the Swans is increasing the season ticket price for 2009, there numbers are down by around 20% as a result. This was all set in place before the GFC but surely there should have been some flexibility re this. The family pass is very well priced but they still only got 33,000. Regarding the proposed 2nd team in Sydney, who is going to support this team, I can’t see them getting core support from the West.
Papa Romeo said | April 7th 2009 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
33,116 would have looked – and sounded – great at the SCG.
jimbo said | April 7th 2009 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
33K would have been healthy for the Rabbitohs or Sydney FC.
The Swans crowd was 40% less than their opening game at Stadium Australia last year.
The 2009 AFL Annual Report said AFL was growing by 30% in NSW and Western Sydney was crying out for a second AFL team.
Lets wait and see.
Michael C said | April 7th 2009 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
Worlds Biggest -
that’s interesting re the membership prices, as, the AFL has frozen ticket prices for this year.