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	<title>Comments on: AFL&#8217;s concessions for Gold Coast create unease</title>
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		<title>By: Coach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems a bit unfair to teams that have been in the competition for over 100 years (eg melbourne) that are really struggling. I think its wrong to pump a new team &quot;for the good of the game&quot; when teams with so much history in the game are left to flounder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems a bit unfair to teams that have been in the competition for over 100 years (eg melbourne) that are really struggling. I think its wrong to pump a new team &#8220;for the good of the game&#8221; when teams with so much history in the game are left to flounder.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree the GC will still need super managment to be a premiership team. After all Richmond have been getting good picks for all but two of the last 20 years and are still no good. Especially in the last 5 years they seem to have missed out on good player after good player. Buddy Franklin comes to mind. I agree with Michael C that it does not look like W Sydney will come in 2012 but on the other hand I don&#039;t think they would won&#039;t a 17 team competition for too long, its an odd number in terms of fixtures and finals series etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree the GC will still need super managment to be a premiership team. After all Richmond have been getting good picks for all but two of the last 20 years and are still no good. Especially in the last 5 years they seem to have missed out on good player after good player. Buddy Franklin comes to mind. I agree with Michael C that it does not look like W Sydney will come in 2012 but on the other hand I don&#8217;t think they would won&#8217;t a 17 team competition for too long, its an odd number in terms of fixtures and finals series etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kazama -

defintely agreed - that trade week promises to be one of the most interesting ever.

btw - don&#039;t forget, the GC17 have had access to pluck the 10 best (I think) 17 yr olds.  Which effectivley undermines that draft I&#039;d have thought?

Again though, the hope is that a lot of clubs will be looking at NSW and international scholarship opportunities as ways to secure potentially cheap talent via a pathway thus far littered with a fair sprinkling of good value gems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kazama -</p>
<p>defintely agreed &#8211; that trade week promises to be one of the most interesting ever.</p>
<p>btw &#8211; don&#8217;t forget, the GC17 have had access to pluck the 10 best (I think) 17 yr olds.  Which effectivley undermines that draft I&#8217;d have thought?</p>
<p>Again though, the hope is that a lot of clubs will be looking at NSW and international scholarship opportunities as ways to secure potentially cheap talent via a pathway thus far littered with a fair sprinkling of good value gems.</p>
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		<title>By: Kazama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kazama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the quality of the inaugural Gold Coast team will depend on the depth of the 2010 draft. If it is a shallow draft teams won&#039;t be as willing to trade away experienced players for top picks, which would hurt the Gold Coast&#039;s recruitment. Of course if the opposite is true they could have a very competitive team in their first year.

If the Gold Coast have to chase players under contract then I can see that being a problem. I think teams will hold them to ransom and get them to cough up as many picks as they can for their players. If they are out of contract, then the ball is in the Gold Coast&#039;s court as they&#039;ll have top pick in the Pre Season Draft.

Hopefully for once trade week will be interesting. I think some teams could capitalise on the moves the Gold Coast makes. I see a lot of three-way trades happening. The Gold Coast might not be a dominant force as many fear, but their arrival could help to create one if a team trades cunningly off the back of the Gold Coast&#039;s deals. Big chance for teams with sub-standard lists like Freo and Melbourne to turn things around if many players and picks change hands that week.

I believe the Gold Coast will be allowed to have a massive list - I think it is 57 players and 12 rookies, please correct me if I&#039;m mistaken. If that&#039;s the case I can see a few experienced guys in the VFL, WAFL and SANFL getting a second chance at AFL.

By the way Pippinu I&#039;m looking forward to our match in The Roar&#039;s DT league this weekend. Good luck. See you in two weeks Michael C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the quality of the inaugural Gold Coast team will depend on the depth of the 2010 draft. If it is a shallow draft teams won&#8217;t be as willing to trade away experienced players for top picks, which would hurt the Gold Coast&#8217;s recruitment. Of course if the opposite is true they could have a very competitive team in their first year.</p>
<p>If the Gold Coast have to chase players under contract then I can see that being a problem. I think teams will hold them to ransom and get them to cough up as many picks as they can for their players. If they are out of contract, then the ball is in the Gold Coast&#8217;s court as they&#8217;ll have top pick in the Pre Season Draft.</p>
<p>Hopefully for once trade week will be interesting. I think some teams could capitalise on the moves the Gold Coast makes. I see a lot of three-way trades happening. The Gold Coast might not be a dominant force as many fear, but their arrival could help to create one if a team trades cunningly off the back of the Gold Coast&#8217;s deals. Big chance for teams with sub-standard lists like Freo and Melbourne to turn things around if many players and picks change hands that week.</p>
<p>I believe the Gold Coast will be allowed to have a massive list &#8211; I think it is 57 players and 12 rookies, please correct me if I&#8217;m mistaken. If that&#8217;s the case I can see a few experienced guys in the VFL, WAFL and SANFL getting a second chance at AFL.</p>
<p>By the way Pippinu I&#8217;m looking forward to our match in The Roar&#8217;s DT league this weekend. Good luck. See you in two weeks Michael C.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Kurt - far, far too early to be labelling GC some sort of super team.  West Coast and Adelaide came in to the comp with squads chock full of state reps, sure, they won their first premiership in their 6th and 5th seasons respectively, but they both had their own travails getting their.

GC will have nothing like that quality coming in - they might strike it rich in the draft, then again, they may not.

It&#039;s worth remembering that Port had the least generous of start up concessions of all 7 non-Victorian clubs, and it managed a premiership in its 8th season (after topping the ladder three years running).

I honestly doubt anyone can predict who&#039;ll be doing what in five years time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Kurt &#8211; far, far too early to be labelling GC some sort of super team.  West Coast and Adelaide came in to the comp with squads chock full of state reps, sure, they won their first premiership in their 6th and 5th seasons respectively, but they both had their own travails getting their.</p>
<p>GC will have nothing like that quality coming in &#8211; they might strike it rich in the draft, then again, they may not.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth remembering that Port had the least generous of start up concessions of all 7 non-Victorian clubs, and it managed a premiership in its 8th season (after topping the ladder three years running).</p>
<p>I honestly doubt anyone can predict who&#8217;ll be doing what in five years time.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redb - - Righto, the &quot;Pippinu bait&quot; is dangled....

(I dunno that I could handle it if the Dons do the Rooboys on Sunday, ...i.e. getting done by Pip&#039;s mob a fortnight ago and then your lot too...........ah, I couldn&#039;t take it!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redb &#8211; - Righto, the &#8220;Pippinu bait&#8221; is dangled&#8230;.</p>
<p>(I dunno that I could handle it if the Dons do the Rooboys on Sunday, &#8230;i.e. getting done by Pip&#8217;s mob a fortnight ago and then your lot too&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..ah, I couldn&#8217;t take it!)</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MC,

Yeah Western Sydney start date must slide out.  Is relocation still a possibility on the agenda at AFL house? That would solve the draft concession/team building issue. &#039;Bullies for Bankstown&#039; I can see the headlines now (sorry Pip).

Redb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MC,</p>
<p>Yeah Western Sydney start date must slide out.  Is relocation still a possibility on the agenda at AFL house? That would solve the draft concession/team building issue. &#8216;Bullies for Bankstown&#8217; I can see the headlines now (sorry Pip).</p>
<p>Redb</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this talk about the GC being a &#039;super team&#039; is alarmist rubbish.  History shows that high draft picks can just as easily turn out to be duds as gems, and a club with good developmental structures and processes can turn lower draft picks into established senior players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this talk about the GC being a &#8216;super team&#8217; is alarmist rubbish.  History shows that high draft picks can just as easily turn out to be duds as gems, and a club with good developmental structures and processes can turn lower draft picks into established senior players.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett &amp; Redb -

yeah, I&#039;ve questioned this too - that if WS18 is still on the one year after GC17 time frame, then, 
A. they&#039;d better get cracking,
and
B. will the GC17 draft concessions be repeated therefore the next year for WS18.

At this point - all the hoopla about concessions and the &#039;Gold Coast&#039; draft etc give the impression of it standing in isolation.

Thus far, there&#039;s stuff all to indicate this - which gives greater credence to an assumption that the West Sydney timetable will &#039;slide&#039; a fraction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett &amp; Redb -</p>
<p>yeah, I&#8217;ve questioned this too &#8211; that if WS18 is still on the one year after GC17 time frame, then,<br />
A. they&#8217;d better get cracking,<br />
and<br />
B. will the GC17 draft concessions be repeated therefore the next year for WS18.</p>
<p>At this point &#8211; all the hoopla about concessions and the &#8216;Gold Coast&#8217; draft etc give the impression of it standing in isolation.</p>
<p>Thus far, there&#8217;s stuff all to indicate this &#8211; which gives greater credence to an assumption that the West Sydney timetable will &#8216;slide&#8217; a fraction.</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett,

I&#039;d imagine Western Sydney will get similar concessions at some point. It&#039;s a tight fit as you imply when WS are due to start in 2012.  Still don&#039;t know why it has to be so soon after the GC enters, 2015 would make more sense on almost every level except TV rights.

Tassie may not get draft concessions other than an exclusive recruiting zone in Tasmania.  Curiously both Port Adelaide and Fremantle never recevied draft concessions unlike Adelaide and West Coast whichalso recevied state based exclsuive recruting zones for a number of years which virtualll built state sides in a club competition and gifted them two flags each. In saying that both clubs have been far more sustainable with that success.

Redb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d imagine Western Sydney will get similar concessions at some point. It&#8217;s a tight fit as you imply when WS are due to start in 2012.  Still don&#8217;t know why it has to be so soon after the GC enters, 2015 would make more sense on almost every level except TV rights.</p>
<p>Tassie may not get draft concessions other than an exclusive recruiting zone in Tasmania.  Curiously both Port Adelaide and Fremantle never recevied draft concessions unlike Adelaide and West Coast whichalso recevied state based exclsuive recruting zones for a number of years which virtualll built state sides in a club competition and gifted them two flags each. In saying that both clubs have been far more sustainable with that success.</p>
<p>Redb</p>
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		<title>By: Brett McKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So will the same draft concessions be extended to Western Sydney or Tasmania for the 2011 draft??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So will the same draft concessions be extended to Western Sydney or Tasmania for the 2011 draft??</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that has to be remembered, is that the Gold Coast will most likely be trading a good number of those draft picks - for established players.  So, the existing clubs will have the capacity to access the draft, if they&#039;re willing to give up something for it.

The access to uncontracted players is of little guarrantee.  Most clubs are going to ensure their best players are securely signed away.

Reality is that the article reference to Brisbane and Sydney ignores to a degree the first 10 years of each &#039;franchise&#039;.  (obviously the draft and salary cap weren&#039;t in place in 1981-2 for the Swannees.  But, for the bad news Bears - they got stuff all early on and were an exercise is mis-management as a bunch of rejects were thrown together and attempted to be packages as an AFL team!!  Further down the track the AFL got serious, and probably we can look at the Wayne Jackson tenure as a AFL boss NOT from Victoria and willing to push a more &#039;AFL&#039; approach than &#039;VFL&#039;.  The flip side is that that administration envisaged about 2 or 3 Melb based teams to have fallen by the wayside by now.

Jake Niall had an excellent article in the Age yesterday on this and stadiums : http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/afls-ground-rationalisation-costs-clubs/2009/04/15/1239474935832.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that has to be remembered, is that the Gold Coast will most likely be trading a good number of those draft picks &#8211; for established players.  So, the existing clubs will have the capacity to access the draft, if they&#8217;re willing to give up something for it.</p>
<p>The access to uncontracted players is of little guarrantee.  Most clubs are going to ensure their best players are securely signed away.</p>
<p>Reality is that the article reference to Brisbane and Sydney ignores to a degree the first 10 years of each &#8216;franchise&#8217;.  (obviously the draft and salary cap weren&#8217;t in place in 1981-2 for the Swannees.  But, for the bad news Bears &#8211; they got stuff all early on and were an exercise is mis-management as a bunch of rejects were thrown together and attempted to be packages as an AFL team!!  Further down the track the AFL got serious, and probably we can look at the Wayne Jackson tenure as a AFL boss NOT from Victoria and willing to push a more &#8216;AFL&#8217; approach than &#8216;VFL&#8217;.  The flip side is that that administration envisaged about 2 or 3 Melb based teams to have fallen by the wayside by now.</p>
<p>Jake Niall had an excellent article in the Age yesterday on this and stadiums : <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/afls-ground-rationalisation-costs-clubs/2009/04/15/1239474935832.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/afls-ground-rationalisation-costs-clubs/2009/04/15/1239474935832.html</a></p>
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