6+5 is suicide for quality football
By Palmer, 21 Apr 2009 Palmer is a Roar Rookie
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It would be hard to find an Englishman who does not sing the praises of the significantly large contingent of foreign players that ply their trade on the world’s biggest stage, the Barclays Premier League.
Manchester United’s Portugese winger Cristiano Ronaldo had a stunning 07/08 season; Liverpool’s Fernando Torres is the most successful debut foreigner in the Premier League’s history; Arsenal’s Cesc Fabregas is the heartbeat of the Gunners; while Chelsea’s Didier Drogba has roared the Blues into a great period of success.
And all of these players have an impressive supporting cast made up of many cultures and countries.
So why does Sepp Blatter want to end it all?
The UEFA president is heavily pushing the bid for a 6+5 quota in domestic competitions, which would mean that six players on the side are eligible to play for the national team of the country of the club.
So, in England, twelve English players would have to grace the pitch for the game to start.
Sit back in your seat and think of the complications, the revolution this would bring to domestic competitions around the world.
Chelsea would be in a position where their English players would be forced to play every single game – and Chelsea’s current first team has these English stocks: Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Joe Cole, John Terry, Michael Mancienne, Scott Sinclair, Jimmy Smith and Lee Sawyer.
Only four of those players play in the first team on a consistent basis. Michael Mancienne has only played in two games for the club. Scott Sinclair, Jimmy Smith and Lee Sawyer are all out on loan at the moment. And only Sinclair has played for Chelsea’s first team with five appearances.
The idea for 6+5 is that it would be gradually rolled out slowly, with 4+7 the starting point.
In a hypothetical situation, if 4+7 was to be introduced for the last game of the current season, then A. Cole, Lampard, Terry and Mancienne would have to start.
Joe Cole is out for the season, and the three other players, are, as mentioned before, on loan.
So the introduction of Mancienne, in our hypothetical situation, would mean that Bosingwa or Ivanovic would have to be dropped so that the Englishman can take the right back position. Doing this would weaken the team.
And that is just 4+7.
Now we enter the transfer window, and Chelsea must get ready for the 6+5 ruling. So we purchase, say Aston Villa’s Ashley Young, and sell the services of Kalou, seeing that we need Englishmen and not Ivory Coast men.
But the wrecking ball of 6+5 doesn’t stop there.
Aston Villa, now without the option of Ashley Young, must go and purchase another Englishman to make up their 6+5 quota.
You can see the trail that this proposed rule would leave. Eventually teams like West Bromwich Albion, with their English players poached by the lure of money from bigger clubs, will need to fill in the gaps left by the English players that have moved from their club to an even bigger club – the Big 4.
And so lesser quality players would have to be purchased by West Brom and such, taken from the Championship.
If they were better than the foreign players already at these clubs, they would already be there. But they’re not. So that’s why the foreign players are purchased: to improve the standard of players at these clubs.
I can see the positives in Blatter’s proposal, and I do admit that England does have quite a few top players. Obviously, there is some sort of a problem when Liverpool have more Spanish players on the field than Spanish side Real Madrid.
But if 6+5 were to come in, just take a look at Arsenal. They would have to forgo a lot of their talented foreign youngsters in favour of lesser talented Englishmen.
Losing the foreigners and introducing lesser players into the top flights around the world is not the answer.
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April 21st 2009 @ 8:16am
dasilva said | April 21st 2009 @ 8:16am | Report comment
It’s not the answer if you believe that EPL or the top 4 must remain the centrepiece of world football and other leagues don’t matter.
So the standard of football in the EPL will drop.
So what?
Does the world of Football revolves around English Football.
the standards of other leagues will rise. This will reward countries who actually developed the players and will slow down the talent drains of countries who are talent producer like Brazil, French, Dutch etc. WE saw the Club World Championship and the South American teams were pretty much defensive to make up deficiency in skill and were shadow of past teams who used to took the opportunity to take it to the Europeans and demonstrate their superior technique and skills. Guys like Ronaldinho, Kaka, Roberto Carlos, Cafu used to play couple of years in the Brazillian league before moving overseas in the early 20s, now they leave when they are 17-18 or earlier (like Pato). Is that right or fair
We also may see Dutch and French and Portuguese and maybe even Russian clubs challenging for the Champions League on a consistent basis
The fact is this is now a global trend. When England started poaching the best players in the world. Now Serie A, Bundesliga and La Liga who were lagging behind are responding and their % of foreigners are now increasing every year as well. This will then continue talent drain in many more countries. You may see 60% foreigners in the top 4 league in the world in a forseeable future.
April 21st 2009 @ 9:00am
eh? said | April 21st 2009 @ 9:00am | Report comment
not that the thread should be an argument (squabble) of “you did it first” but am interested in the statement that
“When England started poaching the best players in the world. Now Serie A, Bundesliga and La Liga who were lagging behind are responding and their % of foreigners are now increasing every year as well”
you sure that England started it? great teams from Real and AC seemed always to have lots of “foriegners”. ie Didn’t AC steal most of ajax throught out the 80s and 90s? Platini himself was a Juve player… i wloud think that allt he EPL did was do what others were already doing, and with more money…. has the EPL impacted on AC or Barc’s ability to poach or unsettle or “develop” promising kids? nah.
anyway its all swings and roundabouts – Clubs in Spain, Italy and Germany have all had turns at the top. Englands turn. Am sure in 10 years it will be someone elses.
April 21st 2009 @ 9:22am
Slippery Jim said | April 21st 2009 @ 9:22am | Report comment
It is up to inferior leagues to improve and lift their game, the Premier League should not be dragged down to their level by artificial constraints. 6+5 is like restricting the number of wheels to three on Ferraris to give other drivers a chance to win in F1.
April 21st 2009 @ 9:49am
Tom said | April 21st 2009 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Dasilva, your argument assumes that players will improve at the same level in their indigenous leagues as in the EPL. Pato I suspect will be a better footballer at 21 for having played in the Serie A in a diverse, cosmpolitan league with the best training facilities in the world than he would have been playing at home.
Moreover, I don’t believe this proposal will translate into increased competitiveness for less wealthy European leagues. The top handful of players in the world will be paid just as much and will still be unaffordable for those clubs. In addition, domestic leagues will if anything become less competitive as only the top clubs will be able to afford the best local talent. Smaller clubs won’t have the same access to an affordable international talent pool.
Frankly, I think the EPL is a magnificent competition containing the best football talent in the world and I don’t really understand why people want to hobble it.
April 21st 2009 @ 9:50am
Art Sapphire said | April 21st 2009 @ 9:50am | Report comment
SJ – what a spurious argument. How do you expect other leagues to lift their game.
Do you expect them to follow the same business model as Man Utd and Liverpool?
From today’s Guardian
MPs call for curb on football clubs’ financial doping
• Owners must be prevented from ‘ludicrous levels of borrowing’
• Mohamed Al Fayed wants footballers’ wages capped
Tough new rules must prevent owners loading football clubs with “ludicrous levels of borrowing”, a Parliamentary report into the future of football said yesterday. A group of MPs likened the leveraged buyouts of Manchester United and Liverpool and the hundreds of millions of pounds in “soft loans” advanced to Chelsea by Roman Abramovich to “financial doping” and claimed they threatened the game’s future.
Following a year-long inquiry, the All Party Parliamentary Football Group yesterday made 27 recommendations that it claimed would strengthen the governance of the game, boost the development of home-grown players and correct “severe financial imbalances”.
“The financial world has learnt a serious lesson in the last year that living by the old adage, ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’ can lead to catastrophic results,” said the group’s chairman, Alan Keen. “There is a real danger that English football could go the same way. Corrective action needs to be taken now.”
The group, which has no power to enforce any changes, also recommended the adoption of Fifa’s controversial 6+5 proposal to guarantee starting places for home-grown talent, and reform of the Premier League board to add more non-executive directors.
Mohamed Al Fayed, the Fulham chairman, also weighed into the debate. “Our expenses bill rose by 17% last year. How can it be right for top players to be earning £15m-20m a year? It’s crazy. These wages need to be capped,” he said. “But I worry that it won’t happen because the Premier League and the FA are run by donkeys who don’t understand business, who are dazzled by money.”
April 21st 2009 @ 9:51am
Slippery Jim said | April 21st 2009 @ 9:51am | Report comment
Nice cut and paste, Art Sapphire. I personally thought my Ferrari argument was pretty watertight
April 21st 2009 @ 9:57am
Art Sapphire said | April 21st 2009 @ 9:57am | Report comment
SJ – I don’t have time to write 1000 word dissertations on the perils of the post-industrial football complex as I am too busy at work today. I have to use other sources : )
April 21st 2009 @ 11:04am
Millster said | April 21st 2009 @ 11:04am | Report comment
Good article and good response from Das, but despite this respect for the thinking in your writings on this difficult issue I line up more with Slippery for once.
Professional football is just that. Professional. A league is a business, competing against other leages, competing for time and space on the various media channels, and living in the big bad world. It doesn’t owe its ‘host’ country anything more than any other business activity does; similarly it doesn’t ‘owe’ world football anything beyond abiding by the basic regulations and structures of the game.
So while in my heart I see the benefits of a more equal set of primary leages in Europe an elsewhere (ie the end of the ‘eclipsing’ of other leagues by the EPL) and also see the flow down to other regions and also into national structures that Das argues for so eloquently, in my head I just don’t think that there is a rational basis for implementing this, and in fact I am scared of the kind of protectionist settings which would be put in place and their overall effect on the game.
The EPL in its current form is a global phenomenon. It clearly leads the footballing world for quality and attention. Does that stop me from following Sydney in the HAL and PSG in League 1? No. And until it does, I am happy to admire and enjoy – in the moments where I’m not following one of the two clubs truly in my heart – the best collection of footballing talent played in the most incredible league of any sport in the world’s history.
April 21st 2009 @ 12:22pm
Dave said | April 21st 2009 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
If it’s suicide, we may as well turn every club into a real money-making “franchise” or “product” and lose the idea of identifying a club based on its regional location and priding itself on having players from those regions represent it. If I were an Arsenal fan for example, I’d love to watch quality football every week, but not at the expense of not being able to see players who genuinely have feelings for the badge they wear.
April 21st 2009 @ 12:52pm
Brian said | April 21st 2009 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
Dasilva whats wrong with International players? You claim other countries will be helped but would the socceroos be better off if Cahill didn’t get his chance at Everton? Would Ivory Coast be a better team if Kalou wasn’t at Chelsea? Maybe if Bosman had never occured we could go to 6+5 but having seen the way Arsenal and Barcelona now play I would be very sad to go back to players being picked on racial grounds. Legally I would also like to know how FIFA expect to get this through. Doesn’t 6+5 contravene EU employment laws, or will we end up with a compromise that favours EU players at the expense of players like Cahill & Kalou.