The ins and outs of the All Black squad
By Elliot Lodge, 22 Apr 2009 Elliot Lodge is a Roar Rookie
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As the Super 14 heats up at the business end of the competition, the five kiwi teams are all still in contention for the title. The consistency of the New Zealand teams has to bode well for the All Black depth this year.
Sportphobia takes a look at how Graeme Henry and his brains trust’s first All Black squad for 2009 might be looking.
Props:
Tony Woodcock is the obvious selection at prop and, although he has had his injury worries this year, the Blues’ talisman looks to have sewn up one side of the scrum. The rest of the propping cupboard is looking a bit bare. Crusaders workhorse Wyatt Crocket looks a chance for a bolter.
Neemia Tialata will surely be in the thinking of Steve Hansen with his ability to prop both sides of the scrum and Jamie McIntosh and John Afoa look to be the others in the mix.
Hooker:
Andrew Hore enjoyed a fantastic 2008 before succumbing to injury and, in his brief appearances so far this season, his game still looks strong. Lineout throwing seems to be his biggest downfall but not much more can be said about his biggest rival, Kevin Mealamu’s throwing either.
Outside of the two veterans, chief’s hooker Aled de Malmanche may be a possibility, although his team mate Hika Elliott also looks an outside contender.
Locks:
Ali Williams is the obvious selection to take one of the locking positions but the other one is up for much debate. His Blues colleague Anthony Boric continues to grow in stature and is an option but, having signed with the NZRU through until 2011, former league star Brad Thorn continues to defy his age as he carries the Crusaders tight five.
Thorn has signalled his All Blacks intentions and looks a strong contender.
The Hurricanes’ pairing of Jason Eaton and Jeremy Thrush continue to improve and, along with Highlander Tom Donnelly who is coming along nicely, look the only other possibilities.
Blindside Flanker:
A position that was never settled upon last year, Jerome Kaino looks an option at blindside. The Auckland big man looks to be hitting his straps at the right time and is probably in pole position. Otago bogan Adam Thompson is another option there but is prone to getting penalised.
Perhaps this is the time for Keiran Read to be given his All Black turn as he continues to impress, captaining the Crusaders in McCaw’s absence.
Openside Flanker:
Only injury is going to deny All Black captain Richie McCaw the number seven spot. But who will back him up will continue to worry All Black selectors.
Chief Tanerau Latimer had a limited go on the end on year tour and has had a solid Super 14 and looks a candidate. In the way of a genuine fetcher, Scott Waldrom may fancy his chances should horror strike McCaw.
Number 8:
Rodney So’oialo is the incumbent back rower, and with his high work-rate and physical presence, is the obvious selection yet again. Liam Messam and Sione Lauaki have both shown promise for the Chiefs but the consistency is lacking for both.
Thomas Waldrom has grown immensely now he has a starting spot at the Crusaders and might be in line as So’oialo’s back-up.
Halfback:
Perhaps the position with the most depth in New Zealand, there are realistically five players who could do a good job there for the All Blacks. Chiefs livewire Brendon Leonard is perhaps a nose in front of the pack with his ability to give quick ball. Jimmy Cowan is another contender as he valiantly leads the Highlanders, although his discipline is a concern.
Andrew Ellis does a good job at the Crusaders and the Hurricanes pairing of Piri Weepu and Alby Mathewson wouldn’t disgrace a black jersey.
First Five-eighth:
After Dan Carter suffered an injury that should put him out of the June internationals and some of the Tri-Nations series, the pivotal number 10 spot has become a topic of discussion.
With Henry keen on the barnstorming Ma’a Nonu at 12 over another playmaker, the All Black first receiver needs to take control and direct the backline.
Stephen Donald was Carter’s back-up last year, but some believe he may have fallen off the pace a bit. Piri Weepu has done a good job for the Hurricanes, but perhaps not to Test standard.
Stephen Brett has had a good but unspectacular year at 10 for the Crusaders and looks the only other in the mix.
So consequently, the issue begs the question: will the rugby union allow an exemption to the eligibility rule for the returning Luke McAlister?
There is no doubt he is an immensely talented footballer and, being still at a fresh age, he has a lot to offer New Zealand rugby. He often plays in the centres but he has experience at five-eighth and looks a tempting option for the selectors.
Second Five-eighth:
Ma’a Nonu enjoyed perhaps his most consistent year in the black jersey in 2008 and appears the front runner to pin down the spot for another season.
His combination with fellow Wellingtonian Conrad Smith outside him is a decisive factor in his favour as he returned to his best with a double against the Stormers last week.
Isaia Toeava possesses the skill set to succeed at 12 if given an opportunity, otherwise Highlander Daniel Bowden keeps improving his football and is an outside chance.
Centre:
Strong but healthy competition occurred last year for the midfield jersey. Conrad Smith is a likeable option. Possessing a cool head, staunch defence and a stabilising attacking influence, he may just have the wood over young Waikato 13, Richard Kahui.
Kahui is more of an impact player, with the ability to shake up the opposition, so he mightn’t be a bad option for the bench with his ability to play on the wing.
Wing:
The flying Fijians look to be finding some form on the wing at the right time. Sitiveni Sivivatu has been a pivotal factor in the turnaround of the Chiefs’ season and looks to have booked up his favoured left wing.
Joe Rokocoko is improving as the season develops, but still has some way to go.
David Smith has ignited fans in the capital recently and if he continues he may come into Wayne Smith’s thinking. Anthony Tuituvake will be desperate for a decent All Black run this year and, along with Crusader Colin Slade and Chiefs flyer Lelia Masaga, should be the names tossed around.
Fullback:
Mils Muliaina looks a shoe-in for 15.
After overcoming injury problems he looks solid and unfazed at the back for the Chiefs. Leon McDonald is still playing consistent footy in Christchurch, but his age is against him.
Cory Jane is getting better for the Hurricanes but still lacks the solidarity wanted for the fullback position, especially at Test level. But he may come into the reckoning.
The team:
1. Tony Woodcock
2. Andrew Hore
3. Jamie McIntosh
4. Brad Thorn
5. Ali Williams
6. Kieran Read
7. Richie McCaw
8. Rodney So’oialo
9. Brendon Leonard
10. Luke McAlister
11. Sitiveni Sivivatu
12. Ma’a Nonu
13. Conrad Smith
14. David Smith
15. Mils Muliana
16. Neemia Tialata
17. Kevin Mealamu
18. Tom Donnelly
19. Jerome Kaino
20. Piri Weepu
21. Richard Kahui
22. Isaia Toeava
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April 22nd 2009 @ 2:18am
ohtani's jacket said | April 22nd 2009 @ 2:18am | Report comment
Tighthead is the issue for me. We simply don’t have anyone to replace what we’ve lost in Hayman and Somerville.
Looking at how the Super 14 season has played out, I think the injuries to McCaw, Williams and Woodcock were rather timely for the All Black selectors, provided they remain fit and play enough rugby in the coming weeks.
I’m not keen on McAlister at first five and would prefer Henry to play Leonard at halfback and Donald at first five. Whether this would work with Nonu at second five, I’m not sure. Actually, I don’t think McAlister should be included in the Tri-Nations squad. Have Toeava as the other second five.
Adam Thomson doesn’t belong in the side. They should roll with Kaino again.
Two guys you didn’t mention were Issac Ross and Josh Blackie.
April 22nd 2009 @ 9:19am
Hammer said | April 22nd 2009 @ 9:19am | Report comment
The only real lack of depth areas is tighthead prop and #10 … and how can Issac Ross not get a mention …
Did Latimer go away to the NH ? – not sure he did … but certainly openside is not as big a worry as last season there is now a decent number of options now at #7 should McCaw go down …. Blackie is starting to regain form and must now be close to being next cab of the rank and then Latimer and Waldrom …
tighthead they may plum for Afoa … and then there’s Tialata and Newland
#10 – can only be Donald – McAllister needs to play NPC before being considered … and his combination with Leonard may sneak it ahead of Cowan and if that’s the case he’ll miss the bench for the more versitile Weepu …
but can’t agree re Thomson OJ – he’s the stand out #6 of the competition pushed closely by Messam … with Kiano off the bench … Read for me is another Rueben Thorne tidy but unfortunate that he’s in an era where there is massive talent glut ..
April 22nd 2009 @ 9:27am
Sam Taulelei said | April 22nd 2009 @ 9:27am | Report comment
I would select either Hosea Gear or Masaga ahead of Smith if they’ve regained fitness for the wings and Colin Slade is a forced selection at wing for the Crusaders and is a specialist first five.
I’ve been impressed with how Isaac Ross has improved as well as Adam Thompson who has been the form Kiwi no.6.
Like OJ I also feel that the NZRU should stick to their rules and not select McAlister for this years Tri Nations, he’ll be eligible for the end of year tour and if his form warrants it would be a natural selection.
Mackintosh at tighthead is a gamble given he’s been playing at loosehead all year, his propping mate Clint Newlands could be a bolter instead of Crockett as we don’t lack for loosehead props. Despite the overall improvement in depth in most positions we’re still lacking a genuine test quality openside flanker and possible at first five. Donald’s confidence has been growing and his form has been improving so he could push on from where he was last year. However outside of Donald our options are very thin and we could see the likes of Leon MacDonald or even Piri Weepu filling in the gap in case of injury.
April 22nd 2009 @ 10:27am
katzilla said | April 22nd 2009 @ 10:27am | Report comment
Even before our teams started coming good we had high end performers across the board, enough to ensure we were competitive in the 3N regardless of how our S14 teams went.
Issac Ross has been one of the stand outs for me and should be next cab off after Ali-Thorn.
We’ve got 7 locked down again after strong showings from 3-4 contenders.
I’d pick Karl Lowe as my bolter for the 6. Sure hes short and Thompson is having a blinder, but Thompson for all his great play goes missing in the big games. He obviously models himself from the Reuben Thorne School of Blindside play.
Kaino the incumbent with KL 2nd. (Can back 7 too)
I think Hosea deserves another run, if not then Masaga has surely done enough. Either of the Poosader wingers is a shout also. Slade may even get a ‘Utility’ spot if Toeava gets Injured.
Its a crime that the poosaders have 3 class first fives and we have none. Cooper should be on the phone to Brett about coming to Wellington next year when his royal highness returns.
Donald is merely filling a gap, he’ll do the job. We don’t need Mac yet.
April 22nd 2009 @ 10:35am
Jerry said | April 22nd 2009 @ 10:35am | Report comment
Katz – Thompson’s play this year is hugely improved so I’m not sure you can say he ‘goes missing in the big games” – I’d say he’s developing nicely but time will tell if he can stop giving away so many penalties at test match level. I’d agree that Kaino should be the first choice 6 cause of his defence, ball running and lineout ability. He really added a lot last year.
April 22nd 2009 @ 11:02am
gary said | April 22nd 2009 @ 11:02am | Report comment
totally agree with ohtani regarding tighthead sommerville is a huge loss Tialata to me is a good bench player to cover both sides he is more suited to a 30 min cameo rather than an 80 min player while newland is developing think afoa may get the nod if form is good think test incumbents should be retained first if form warrants it as they did the job last year against significant odds think thompson has been playing well & should retain bench spot with kaino starting, think boric has played well enough to retain bench spot, would have rokocoko on wing getting better & has that X factor + experience, am a fan of mcalister at 1st five donald while good is only adequate while donald runs into opposition mcalister runs thru them , has an excellent sidestep & goalkicks as well as donald. would have mcdonald on bench & cowan also as he loves a scrap which test matches invariably produce in their later stages. Think we need specialist at back up for such a crucial position as 1st five (Donald) but have been impressed with weepu at first five still a big call to put him there in tests overall don,t think there will be any surprises come selection time barring injury big step up from super 14 to tests & incumbents have experience + results
April 22nd 2009 @ 11:44am
ohtani's jacket said | April 22nd 2009 @ 11:44am | Report comment
I’m not sold on McCaw/Thomson/So’oialo. The All Blacks need a more physical presence at blindside and both Kaino and Messam play number eight. There’s too many loose forwards to accomodate them all and it almost hurts your case if you’re a specialist flanker like Kieran Read. Thomson will probably crack the squad, since Henry took him everywhere last year, but the rest will be told to play ANZC and wait for the end of year tour. Then they’ll get a couple of caps and the whole process will repeat itself next year.
I think NZ rugby needs to accept that Stephen Donald is the only quality first five in NZ right now. I’d prefer to partner him with his running mate, but apparently Leonard is out for six weeks. So Cowan and Weepu again.
April 22nd 2009 @ 11:45am
Nick (KIA) said | April 22nd 2009 @ 11:45am | Report comment
I’d have Rokocoko and Siti on the wings, then Masanga. D Smith doesn’t do it for me at all – one dimensional.
Agree with Ali-Thorn then Isaac Ross. I’d start Kaino and have Thompson on the bench to cover 6/7 (Kaino to cover 8).
I’ve been a bit disappointed with Mealamu – seems to have lost his running game. I’d have Elliot as the backup (best thrower avail)
I think Newlands will get a run this year. Otago scrum has been bashing a few more favoured ones, largely due to him, IMO. He’s a big unit – reminds me of Hayman except not as twinkle toed.
They don’t need McAlister, and sends a better message to leave him out. Smith and Nonu stay together. Weepu on bench to cover 9-10
So this would be my team, injuries pending:
15 Mils
14 Roko
13 C Smith
12 Nonu
10 Donald
9 Leonard
8 Rodney
7 Richie
6 Kaino
5 Ali
4 Thorn
3 Newlands
2 Hore
1 Woodcock
Reserves: (5-2 split): Tialata, Elliot, BigMac, Ross, Thompson, Weepu, Kahui. Could consider Toeava for Ross for the Aussies.
April 22nd 2009 @ 11:46am
Untimelyzapped said | April 22nd 2009 @ 11:46am | Report comment
A good rundown Elliot, but neither you nor any of the others posters seem to be bothered by what many perceive as a weakness in the present team. The No. 8.
Rodney So’oialo has the toughest job in NZ because so many fine players have played in that position for the ABs. In test rugby Rod gets the job done, but no more than that.
It’s been a surprise to me, with the RWC so close, that the hunt hasn’t been on for a dynamic player at this position. Waldrom is a little too stolid to be the man. So does that leave only Messam and Lauaki? Or is there somebody with more potential than these two who could break out next season and be a contender?
April 22nd 2009 @ 11:52am
Nick (KIA) said | April 22nd 2009 @ 11:52am | Report comment
A good point about 8. I think Rodney’s underrated. Sure, he’s no Buck Shelford, but on the other hand, he’s athletic, committed, hard hitter in defence and disrupts opposition ball well. With a heavier fetcher like McCaw they work extremely well together, IMO.
Lauaki should never be seen in a black jersey – did you watch the Sydney game last year? The guy is a complete liability, apart from the 20% of games where he is completely legendary.
Waldrom has had a strong season but is a provincial player, and no more in my opinion (like his brother). Messam is really a 6. The Otago 8 has had a strong season but would be a year too soon I would say (although I would have thought the same about Thompson last year).