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		<title>By: macavity</title>
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		<dc:creator>macavity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 11:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,25528095-948,00.html

yet another example of News Ltd&#039;s agenda against AFL

everyone knows this only happens in Rugby League....</description>
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<p>yet another example of News Ltd&#8217;s agenda against AFL</p>
<p>everyone knows this only happens in Rugby League&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Crosscoder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crosscoder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 05:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MichaelC

Champ really! open your peepers.Every day of the week the DT and to a lesser degree the SMH have a page or a couple of pages on AFL,negative pieces other than a couple on West Sydney(and we have argued that one monotonously )are hard to come by.
Morrissey(Mr Tsunami),Wilson,Tugwell to name journos off my scone,have done and continue to do fluff pieces on the AFL.
The interesting point made in the court case involving ch7 and Fox/9 et al,was a documented claim  by 7 and Stokes that News write x number of fluff pieces for the code,as a prerequisite to the Tv contract.
Rest assured if the Swans win,the front page of the sport will show big bad Barry doing something,or  another player.
Of course we will have the H-S in Melbourne doing something similar should the Storm win a NRL match.
Yeah right MC.
If the DT has an agenda to push rl in a favourable light,they sure as hell are doing an ordinary job of it the last week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MichaelC</p>
<p>Champ really! open your peepers.Every day of the week the DT and to a lesser degree the SMH have a page or a couple of pages on AFL,negative pieces other than a couple on West Sydney(and we have argued that one monotonously )are hard to come by.<br />
Morrissey(Mr Tsunami),Wilson,Tugwell to name journos off my scone,have done and continue to do fluff pieces on the AFL.<br />
The interesting point made in the court case involving ch7 and Fox/9 et al,was a documented claim  by 7 and Stokes that News write x number of fluff pieces for the code,as a prerequisite to the Tv contract.<br />
Rest assured if the Swans win,the front page of the sport will show big bad Barry doing something,or  another player.<br />
Of course we will have the H-S in Melbourne doing something similar should the Storm win a NRL match.<br />
Yeah right MC.<br />
If the DT has an agenda to push rl in a favourable light,they sure as hell are doing an ordinary job of it the last week.</p>
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		<title>By: Crosscoder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crosscoder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 05:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RedB
Reminder this year 2009,ch9s NRL coverage of rounds 1-5 attarcted an average cap city audience of 761,000 per match,up (5 on last years average,based on Oztam&#039;s figures.ch9s 2nd match on fridays up 42% in Sydney and brisbane on last year.
Conversely the AFL sFTA audiences this thiis year after 3 rounds (7s Frid game 717,000.10s Saturday 536,000 and evening 774,000 and sunday 529,000  Oz wide  are down across all matches on teh previous year and well under 2007.
Bear in mind NRL is only in 2 cCap cities whereas AFL in 5
Yet the regional figures in Qld and NSW(rl strength) which are more than SA and Qld combined are not included.
Pay TV
 2/3 of the top 100  matches were NRL.the AFL had 10,and the most popular game Freo v Essendon came 26th.
this year Foxs figures for the 5 NRL rds(sat evening av 279,000,Sunday 210,000 Monday 268,000 is well ahead of the AFls 182,000 av for the 1st 3 rds.
The viewing for NRL on Pay is up 3% and the AFL 8% on last year for the rds stated.
Funnily enough last year a ru test came fisrt out o the 100,2 football WC qualifiers ccame 2nd and 3rd,then the nRL game Cows v Storm.
Lets take the 100 top Pay spots last year
NRL 66
Test cricket 12
AFL 10
union tests 4
Next top model 4
WC football qualifiers 3
S14 1.
And 57% of the northern markets doesn&#039;t doesnt include the Vic market for the Storm either,which has has excellent G/F ratings.But continually decreasing  TV ratings for AFL in teh nthn markets.
As a matter of fact it was the Tv ratings for the NRL G/F in Melbourne,outrated the AFL G/F in Sydney.
BTW you are telling me nothing new about AFL having the biggest sport market in Melbourne: its like saying there is more ice in Alaska than California.And guess where these dedicated channels are most watched for AFL not in NSW or Qld.
And you are presupposing the NRL will not have 2 addtional teams in the NRL,not a wise thought.
I repeat Stokes has expressed interest in rl,as have ch10.You ignore the major nthn markets at your peril.
The Packer myth,no I can&#039;t prove it,just as you can&#039;t prove the NRL was not paid unders in their Tv deal .More so with their TV ratings.These comments came from people at 9 not a rl journo.Even some within the media industry thought it was extrememly generous,except of course that media fella in Melbourne.
You see RedB the NRL  really has only been shown on FTA at decent times in 2 states,whereas AFL has the 5.The next Tv contract for the nRL will almost assuredly require transmission to all mainland states at decent hours.ie room to expand the media coverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RedB<br />
Reminder this year 2009,ch9s NRL coverage of rounds 1-5 attarcted an average cap city audience of 761,000 per match,up (5 on last years average,based on Oztam&#8217;s figures.ch9s 2nd match on fridays up 42% in Sydney and brisbane on last year.<br />
Conversely the AFL sFTA audiences this thiis year after 3 rounds (7s Frid game 717,000.10s Saturday 536,000 and evening 774,000 and sunday 529,000  Oz wide  are down across all matches on teh previous year and well under 2007.<br />
Bear in mind NRL is only in 2 cCap cities whereas AFL in 5<br />
Yet the regional figures in Qld and NSW(rl strength) which are more than SA and Qld combined are not included.<br />
Pay TV<br />
 2/3 of the top 100  matches were NRL.the AFL had 10,and the most popular game Freo v Essendon came 26th.<br />
this year Foxs figures for the 5 NRL rds(sat evening av 279,000,Sunday 210,000 Monday 268,000 is well ahead of the AFls 182,000 av for the 1st 3 rds.<br />
The viewing for NRL on Pay is up 3% and the AFL 8% on last year for the rds stated.<br />
Funnily enough last year a ru test came fisrt out o the 100,2 football WC qualifiers ccame 2nd and 3rd,then the nRL game Cows v Storm.<br />
Lets take the 100 top Pay spots last year<br />
NRL 66<br />
Test cricket 12<br />
AFL 10<br />
union tests 4<br />
Next top model 4<br />
WC football qualifiers 3<br />
S14 1.<br />
And 57% of the northern markets doesn&#8217;t doesnt include the Vic market for the Storm either,which has has excellent G/F ratings.But continually decreasing  TV ratings for AFL in teh nthn markets.<br />
As a matter of fact it was the Tv ratings for the NRL G/F in Melbourne,outrated the AFL G/F in Sydney.<br />
BTW you are telling me nothing new about AFL having the biggest sport market in Melbourne: its like saying there is more ice in Alaska than California.And guess where these dedicated channels are most watched for AFL not in NSW or Qld.<br />
And you are presupposing the NRL will not have 2 addtional teams in the NRL,not a wise thought.<br />
I repeat Stokes has expressed interest in rl,as have ch10.You ignore the major nthn markets at your peril.<br />
The Packer myth,no I can&#8217;t prove it,just as you can&#8217;t prove the NRL was not paid unders in their Tv deal .More so with their TV ratings.These comments came from people at 9 not a rl journo.Even some within the media industry thought it was extrememly generous,except of course that media fella in Melbourne.<br />
You see RedB the NRL  really has only been shown on FTA at decent times in 2 states,whereas AFL has the 5.The next Tv contract for the nRL will almost assuredly require transmission to all mainland states at decent hours.ie room to expand the media coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: Tifosi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tifosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 05:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the end of the day News Ltd has only one agenda. 

To make as much money as possible. 

To do this with sport in newspapers they: 

a)pander to the afl folk in afl dominated areas

b)pander to the nrl folk in nrl dominated areas.


But i will point out something

I buy the Herald Sun every friday, only because they have an excellent motoring section. 

Yesterdays edition had the sport section starting back page on page 96. 

The storm isn&#039;t mentioned until page 78, even netball is on page 79. 

Just saying.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the end of the day News Ltd has only one agenda. </p>
<p>To make as much money as possible. </p>
<p>To do this with sport in newspapers they: </p>
<p>a)pander to the afl folk in afl dominated areas</p>
<p>b)pander to the nrl folk in nrl dominated areas.</p>
<p>But i will point out something</p>
<p>I buy the Herald Sun every friday, only because they have an excellent motoring section. </p>
<p>Yesterdays edition had the sport section starting back page on page 96. </p>
<p>The storm isn&#8217;t mentioned until page 78, even netball is on page 79. </p>
<p>Just saying&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Crosscoder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crosscoder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 04:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RedB
Who is using Wilson as the only defence ,try Morrissey for starters.
You obviously don&#039;t pay too much attention,if you bother to look at the press this week viz a viz News Ltd,and show me an anti AFL agenda.
Part time/ full time WTH ,they get their articles and agendas printed.The readers some intelligent,some naive.many trust the content.Ever heard of the power of &quot;the pen&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RedB<br />
Who is using Wilson as the only defence ,try Morrissey for starters.<br />
You obviously don&#8217;t pay too much attention,if you bother to look at the press this week viz a viz News Ltd,and show me an anti AFL agenda.<br />
Part time/ full time WTH ,they get their articles and agendas printed.The readers some intelligent,some naive.many trust the content.Ever heard of the power of &#8220;the pen&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 12:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crosscoder -  

and all you get in Melb papers on soccer (Age) and rugby (H-S) are &#039;fluff&#039; pieces - effectively advertorials.

any day, just check out the Herald-Sun website sports &#039;home&#039; page -

tell me how often one of the roughly ten thumbnails on the left is AFL related.

tell me how often you see AFL amongst the rotating 2 or 3 main pictures.

Right now - the 2 main pictures are &quot;Tevez double joy&quot; and Ando&#039;s sports quiz.

Not one single AFL thumbnail -

oh, a heap on Matty Johns, and Hernandez, Denver Nuggets, Renault.....etc.

compare the Sports home page of the Daily Telegraph to that of the Herald Sun - - tell me which is ramming the &#039;local dominant code&#039; down peoples throats.

No - seroiusly, just do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crosscoder &#8211;  </p>
<p>and all you get in Melb papers on soccer (Age) and rugby (H-S) are &#8216;fluff&#8217; pieces &#8211; effectively advertorials.</p>
<p>any day, just check out the Herald-Sun website sports &#8216;home&#8217; page -</p>
<p>tell me how often one of the roughly ten thumbnails on the left is AFL related.</p>
<p>tell me how often you see AFL amongst the rotating 2 or 3 main pictures.</p>
<p>Right now &#8211; the 2 main pictures are &#8220;Tevez double joy&#8221; and Ando&#8217;s sports quiz.</p>
<p>Not one single AFL thumbnail -</p>
<p>oh, a heap on Matty Johns, and Hernandez, Denver Nuggets, Renault&#8230;..etc.</p>
<p>compare the Sports home page of the Daily Telegraph to that of the Herald Sun &#8211; - tell me which is ramming the &#8216;local dominant code&#8217; down peoples throats.</p>
<p>No &#8211; seroiusly, just do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CC,

re TV rights...

NSW and QLD are 57% now eh? - you assume of course no presence of the AFL in NSW or QLD.

1. We are talking about the sports market and the biggest TV ratings for any sport in any captial city are in Melbourne despite the fact it has 10% less population that Sydney.  That is neither a boast about AFL or Melbourne but the reality.

eg: 2008 Grand Finals - AFL rated 1.3M in Melbourne, NRL rated 1 million in Sydney. 

So the Melbourne TV rights alone are worth the biggest TV Ad dollars.

2. All 3 FTA networks have AFL content and value it very highly. Ch 9 the NRL TV rightsholder has four AFL dedicated TV programs: Footy Show, Sunday Footy Show, TAC Future Stars and Footy Classified.  For those who think Ch 9 aren&#039;t interested they&#039;re kidding themselves.

3. The Global Financial Crisis is likely to mean less TV dollars if still having a major impact in 2011 onward. Remember though we are talking about 2012-2017. This is the main reason the dollars may not be able at the same level, however the AFL will offer more product in terms of additional games and possibly a floating fixture. This is the one factor that may mean elss money but could also be used as a ratigns wagon to lift Ad revenue - you would think Ch 9 would be very eager.

4. The Packer myth - nobody can prove it, it was spat out by a disgruntled RL journalist.  It ignores the fact that Packer wanted to retain the AFL TV rights, the Nine network has been a ratings loser on a national basis ever since it lost the rights. 

So lets just put the  NSW and QLD argument to bed, 57% does not mean 57% NRL 43% AFL. 

Redb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CC,</p>
<p>re TV rights&#8230;</p>
<p>NSW and QLD are 57% now eh? &#8211; you assume of course no presence of the AFL in NSW or QLD.</p>
<p>1. We are talking about the sports market and the biggest TV ratings for any sport in any captial city are in Melbourne despite the fact it has 10% less population that Sydney.  That is neither a boast about AFL or Melbourne but the reality.</p>
<p>eg: 2008 Grand Finals &#8211; AFL rated 1.3M in Melbourne, NRL rated 1 million in Sydney. </p>
<p>So the Melbourne TV rights alone are worth the biggest TV Ad dollars.</p>
<p>2. All 3 FTA networks have AFL content and value it very highly. Ch 9 the NRL TV rightsholder has four AFL dedicated TV programs: Footy Show, Sunday Footy Show, TAC Future Stars and Footy Classified.  For those who think Ch 9 aren&#8217;t interested they&#8217;re kidding themselves.</p>
<p>3. The Global Financial Crisis is likely to mean less TV dollars if still having a major impact in 2011 onward. Remember though we are talking about 2012-2017. This is the main reason the dollars may not be able at the same level, however the AFL will offer more product in terms of additional games and possibly a floating fixture. This is the one factor that may mean elss money but could also be used as a ratigns wagon to lift Ad revenue &#8211; you would think Ch 9 would be very eager.</p>
<p>4. The Packer myth &#8211; nobody can prove it, it was spat out by a disgruntled RL journalist.  It ignores the fact that Packer wanted to retain the AFL TV rights, the Nine network has been a ratings loser on a national basis ever since it lost the rights. </p>
<p>So lets just put the  NSW and QLD argument to bed, 57% does not mean 57% NRL 43% AFL. </p>
<p>Redb</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CC,

Using Rebecca Wilson as News Ltd&#039;s only defence is weak she is a part timer only and hardly influences editorial direction at the Telegraph. 

The facts are clear for those who pay attention.

Jimbo,

Nah the soccer hooligans are far far worse.

Redb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CC,</p>
<p>Using Rebecca Wilson as News Ltd&#8217;s only defence is weak she is a part timer only and hardly influences editorial direction at the Telegraph. </p>
<p>The facts are clear for those who pay attention.</p>
<p>Jimbo,</p>
<p>Nah the soccer hooligans are far far worse.</p>
<p>Redb</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 14:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Westy,
yes maybe I&#039;m generalising and its more a question of cause and effect.

a. SBS is biased towards football and only people who like football can watch SBS.
b. The majority of SBS viewers prefer watching football and so SBS program more football than other sports.
c. SBS is not biased towards football - it shows a lot of different content including aboriginal programs.
d. None of the above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Westy,<br />
yes maybe I&#8217;m generalising and its more a question of cause and effect.</p>
<p>a. SBS is biased towards football and only people who like football can watch SBS.<br />
b. The majority of SBS viewers prefer watching football and so SBS program more football than other sports.<br />
c. SBS is not biased towards football &#8211; it shows a lot of different content including aboriginal programs.<br />
d. None of the above.</p>
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		<title>By: westy</title>
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		<dc:creator>westy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 13:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimbo I am not seeking to debate your general points but interestingly the audience of SBS is skewed to middle class whose first language is English. SBS radio has amore traditional ethnic mix. 
must be those &quot;dirty&#039; movies but the evidence is quite clear. it explains the english speaking car show doing very very well The Ashes also rated very well on SBS.
The ratings winners on SBS are generally English speaking shows. 
I offer this not only as relevant information. please note the FIFA World Cup on SBS was in English and rated the roof off.There were a lot more than a few narrow ethnic communities watching. It was awhole cross section of the Australian population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimbo I am not seeking to debate your general points but interestingly the audience of SBS is skewed to middle class whose first language is English. SBS radio has amore traditional ethnic mix.<br />
must be those &#8220;dirty&#8217; movies but the evidence is quite clear. it explains the english speaking car show doing very very well The Ashes also rated very well on SBS.<br />
The ratings winners on SBS are generally English speaking shows.<br />
I offer this not only as relevant information. please note the FIFA World Cup on SBS was in English and rated the roof off.There were a lot more than a few narrow ethnic communities watching. It was awhole cross section of the Australian population.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 13:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MC
the only &quot;mandated sporting bias&quot; comes from you AFL anti-soccer hooligans.

SBS is set up by the government and is controlled by an independent board.

As a taxpayer you can write to your local member or other avenues of complaint to the government.

The fact is that the SBS TV audience which is mainly European, Asian or South American prefer to watch football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MC<br />
the only &#8220;mandated sporting bias&#8221; comes from you AFL anti-soccer hooligans.</p>
<p>SBS is set up by the government and is controlled by an independent board.</p>
<p>As a taxpayer you can write to your local member or other avenues of complaint to the government.</p>
<p>The fact is that the SBS TV audience which is mainly European, Asian or South American prefer to watch football.</p>
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		<title>By: MVDave</title>
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		<dc:creator>MVDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 09:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave

http://www.fifa.com/mensolympic/organisation/media/newsid=858088.html  As usual football best attended sport at the Olympics and its an U/23 tournament with very few top players!  2 million spectators with Mens comp ave 42,000 per game. If only China had a decent football team.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WDP/is_2004_August_16/ai_n6281190/  When their football is half decent they watch in big numbers 300 million for the Asian Cup final 2004.

Big audience when Chinese footballers play in the top Euro leagues  http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/48/48443_chinese_soccer_star_draws_record_tv_audience.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fifa.com/mensolympic/organisation/media/newsid=858088.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fifa.com/mensolympic/organisation/media/newsid=858088.html</a>  As usual football best attended sport at the Olympics and its an U/23 tournament with very few top players!  2 million spectators with Mens comp ave 42,000 per game. If only China had a decent football team.</p>
<p><a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WDP/is_2004_August_16/ai_n6281190/" rel="nofollow">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WDP/is_2004_August_16/ai_n6281190/</a>  When their football is half decent they watch in big numbers 300 million for the Asian Cup final 2004.</p>
<p>Big audience when Chinese footballers play in the top Euro leagues  <a href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/48/48443_chinese_soccer_star_draws_record_tv_audience.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/48/48443_chinese_soccer_star_draws_record_tv_audience.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Crosscoder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crosscoder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 08:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave.
Suggest there will be less money in the TV honepot this time.Kerry Stokes(ch7) has also intimated he will be bidding for rl TV rights.Why not when 57% of the advtg market is in the northern states.
Should be a decent catfight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave.<br />
Suggest there will be less money in the TV honepot this time.Kerry Stokes(ch7) has also intimated he will be bidding for rl TV rights.Why not when 57% of the advtg market is in the northern states.<br />
Should be a decent catfight.</p>
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		<title>By: Crosscoder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crosscoder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 08:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MichaekC
The point plainly is Wilson is hardly anti AFL ,as she has written a stack of fluff pieces(including Brett Kirk) about anything to do with the Swans.The same journalist had no qualms  saying she and her girlfriends would steer clear of ever going to a Bulldogs match.Of course I read the piece ,but according to you, don&#039;t believe everything you read LOL.
Therefore you can&#039;t claim the paper is anti AFL,just because it has stated its views on WS.After all they know the area a tad better ,than  I dare say most Melburnians.Anti WS more likely not anti AFL.
I would suggest their readership consists of many ratepayers in that area,
Yeah we know the largest crowd average,although last week in Sydney their crowd was about the same as Dogs v Tigers at ANZ.The TV ratings continue to fall in Sydney,and the crowds are sliding .Yet the paper as do the Herald give AFL more than adequate coverage,when one considers the totallity of the other major codes and their popularity in NSW.
The paper that is supposedly the 50% owner of the NRL,gives AFL plenty of positive cover to AFL/Swans in Sydney.Hardly the sign of a newspaper pushing the rl barrow.More so with recent headlines are a guide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MichaekC<br />
The point plainly is Wilson is hardly anti AFL ,as she has written a stack of fluff pieces(including Brett Kirk) about anything to do with the Swans.The same journalist had no qualms  saying she and her girlfriends would steer clear of ever going to a Bulldogs match.Of course I read the piece ,but according to you, don&#8217;t believe everything you read LOL.<br />
Therefore you can&#8217;t claim the paper is anti AFL,just because it has stated its views on WS.After all they know the area a tad better ,than  I dare say most Melburnians.Anti WS more likely not anti AFL.<br />
I would suggest their readership consists of many ratepayers in that area,<br />
Yeah we know the largest crowd average,although last week in Sydney their crowd was about the same as Dogs v Tigers at ANZ.The TV ratings continue to fall in Sydney,and the crowds are sliding .Yet the paper as do the Herald give AFL more than adequate coverage,when one considers the totallity of the other major codes and their popularity in NSW.<br />
The paper that is supposedly the 50% owner of the NRL,gives AFL plenty of positive cover to AFL/Swans in Sydney.Hardly the sign of a newspaper pushing the rl barrow.More so with recent headlines are a guide.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 07:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Channel 9 desperately needs the footy to have anything in Perth especially - - they are a basket case there otherwise, that said, of course, Perth is only so relevant to even West Sydney,

interesting to see the NBL is falling over for next &#039;season&#039; largely because sponsors don&#039;t want to touch it without a SYdney side in - - and given that it resides on FOxtel and Foxtel has highest penetration in NSW, that makes sense.

Reality is though, NRL gives much of NSW and QLD, AFL gives most of the rest and parts of NSW and QLD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Channel 9 desperately needs the footy to have anything in Perth especially &#8211; - they are a basket case there otherwise, that said, of course, Perth is only so relevant to even West Sydney,</p>
<p>interesting to see the NBL is falling over for next &#8216;season&#8217; largely because sponsors don&#8217;t want to touch it without a SYdney side in &#8211; - and given that it resides on FOxtel and Foxtel has highest penetration in NSW, that makes sense.</p>
<p>Reality is though, NRL gives much of NSW and QLD, AFL gives most of the rest and parts of NSW and QLD.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 07:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimbo

When 9 had the AFL TV broadcast rights, they did not give these rights up deliberately. Under a $20 million first and last rights option purchased by Seven in 1995, Seven was able to match the Nine offer and secure the rights on identical terms. Meaning channel 7 always were able to make the last bid and if they matched any other offer they got the rights

Channel 9 willl be bidding for AFL rights next itme it comes up

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25435810-662,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimbo</p>
<p>When 9 had the AFL TV broadcast rights, they did not give these rights up deliberately. Under a $20 million first and last rights option purchased by Seven in 1995, Seven was able to match the Nine offer and secure the rights on identical terms. Meaning channel 7 always were able to make the last bid and if they matched any other offer they got the rights</p>
<p>Channel 9 willl be bidding for AFL rights next itme it comes up</p>
<p><a href="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25435810-662,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25435810-662,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 07:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tifosi 

The SBS chater does not cover, Poms who want to watch soccer. 

If it did, I&#039;m sure the tax payer of Australia would be interested to hear that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tifosi </p>
<p>The SBS chater does not cover, Poms who want to watch soccer. </p>
<p>If it did, I&#8217;m sure the tax payer of Australia would be interested to hear that.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 07:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jimbo -

yep - re as much soccer as possible,

they really let us down on the lack of basketball and winter olympics, oh, but we get the tour de france and speedweek or whatever....

and lots of soccer.

It&#039;s good to have a mandated sports bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jimbo -</p>
<p>yep &#8211; re as much soccer as possible,</p>
<p>they really let us down on the lack of basketball and winter olympics, oh, but we get the tour de france and speedweek or whatever&#8230;.</p>
<p>and lots of soccer.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to have a mandated sports bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 07:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MvDAVe looks likely that the Chinese were more likely to be watching table tennis and basketball at the Olympics

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/sports/olympics/22cctv.html

I was talking about SBS and immigrant to Australia being more interested in other sports other than soccer. And I think you would find that most South African immigrants are more interested in Cricket and Rugby

Wikipedia says there are 400 million players in china

The NBA is also excited about the 400 million kids under 20 in China

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/v-print/story/20951.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MvDAVe looks likely that the Chinese were more likely to be watching table tennis and basketball at the Olympics</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/sports/olympics/22cctv.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/sports/olympics/22cctv.html</a></p>
<p>I was talking about SBS and immigrant to Australia being more interested in other sports other than soccer. And I think you would find that most South African immigrants are more interested in Cricket and Rugby</p>
<p>Wikipedia says there are 400 million players in china</p>
<p>The NBA is also excited about the 400 million kids under 20 in China</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/v-print/story/20951.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/v-print/story/20951.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 04:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simmo -

ah, News Ltd.....in Sydney were Rebecca Wilson mangled some truths, half truths and opinions.

funny - - we get all these &#039;opinion&#039; pieces from opinion provides and we complain that they have an opinion.

The challenge for anyone these days is to find the facts upon which to build ones own &#039;opinion&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simmo -</p>
<p>ah, News Ltd&#8230;..in Sydney were Rebecca Wilson mangled some truths, half truths and opinions.</p>
<p>funny &#8211; - we get all these &#8216;opinion&#8217; pieces from opinion provides and we complain that they have an opinion.</p>
<p>The challenge for anyone these days is to find the facts upon which to build ones own &#8216;opinion&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 04:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simmo -

Setanta are in trouble, with a reduction in their access to EPL matches (I think reduced to 23).  It may well effect their capacity to continue - - which ironically would be bad for other codes  - - - i.e. AFL is seen in the US on Setanta (or via it&#039;s feeds to MHz and One America), likewise NRL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simmo -</p>
<p>Setanta are in trouble, with a reduction in their access to EPL matches (I think reduced to 23).  It may well effect their capacity to continue &#8211; - which ironically would be bad for other codes  &#8211; - &#8211; i.e. AFL is seen in the US on Setanta (or via it&#8217;s feeds to MHz and One America), likewise NRL.</p>
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		<title>By: Simmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 03:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soccer Broadcasting Service.  I see nothing wrong with that, except maybe they don&#039;t show as much as Setanta.  I like channels that appeal to my ingrained prejudices. Conversely, maybe I should submit an article &quot;News Ltd has an agenda in attack on the whole of the A-League&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soccer Broadcasting Service.  I see nothing wrong with that, except maybe they don&#8217;t show as much as Setanta.  I like channels that appeal to my ingrained prejudices. Conversely, maybe I should submit an article &#8220;News Ltd has an agenda in attack on the whole of the A-League&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 02:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www20.sbs.com.au/sbscorporate/index.php?id=378
SBS&#039;s mission is to contribute to a more cohesive, equitable and harmonious Australian society through the provision of multilingual and multicultural radio and television services . . . and to show as much Soccer as possible. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www20.sbs.com.au/sbscorporate/index.php?id=378" rel="nofollow">http://www20.sbs.com.au/sbscorporate/index.php?id=378</a><br />
SBS&#8217;s mission is to contribute to a more cohesive, equitable and harmonious Australian society through the provision of multilingual and multicultural radio and television services . . . and to show as much Soccer as possible. <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/09/in-war-%e2%80%93-the-truth-is-the-first-casualty/comment-page-6/#comment-145325</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 02:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam would be in good company if we could engineer his involvement in the Eurovision comp!!

For once, we might welcome his inopportune and tasteless remarks (which he could unleash on the other Eurotrash hosts).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam would be in good company if we could engineer his involvement in the Eurovision comp!!</p>
<p>For once, we might welcome his inopportune and tasteless remarks (which he could unleash on the other Eurotrash hosts).</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 01:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pip,
its the Vatican in Rome that carries La Crosse.

Why can&#039;t SBS viewers in Australia vote in th Eurovision Song Contest - another global iconspiracy.

&quot;And now weee haave Sam Newman in Mellebooouurne with the Australia votes.

Hellloooo Melllbourne! . . .  &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pip,<br />
its the Vatican in Rome that carries La Crosse.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t SBS viewers in Australia vote in th Eurovision Song Contest &#8211; another global iconspiracy.</p>
<p>&#8220;And now weee haave Sam Newman in Mellebooouurne with the Australia votes.</p>
<p>Hellloooo Melllbourne! . . .  &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 00:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimbo -

but, SBS WAS given a mandate to cover soccer - - rightly or wrongly, a European bias too.

Which makes SBS and it&#039;s soccer coverage a wolf in sheeps clothing for the local variant of the game - - I&#039;d presume?

Now and then SBS and ABC have curious cross overs where you look at something and figure it to be on the wrong network.

THe Ashes from England was one - - I loved being able to see it,........but was SBS really the &#039;vehicle&#039; for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimbo -</p>
<p>but, SBS WAS given a mandate to cover soccer &#8211; - rightly or wrongly, a European bias too.</p>
<p>Which makes SBS and it&#8217;s soccer coverage a wolf in sheeps clothing for the local variant of the game &#8211; - I&#8217;d presume?</p>
<p>Now and then SBS and ABC have curious cross overs where you look at something and figure it to be on the wrong network.</p>
<p>THe Ashes from England was one &#8211; - I loved being able to see it,&#8230;&#8230;..but was SBS really the &#8216;vehicle&#8217; for it?</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lacrosse has missed out on its fair share of funding for far too long now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lacrosse has missed out on its fair share of funding for far too long now.</p>
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		<title>By: Millster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Millster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MC - glad you see my view. The interesting thing to me is actually how one can properly set up the &#039;usage terms&#039; of a community/government owned or funded asset to allow proper/sensible use by the primary tenant who justifies the existence of the facility in the first place, but also allows a range of other sports and passtimes to be accomodated.

Obviously if $20mill of my hard earned dollars are going into this ground I want it to be used fully and sensibly and by a cross section of public/sporting interests.

But again good on this for happening and I have no probs with the building of a facility that may be good not only for AFL (and good on it for that) but also for football, league, union, athletics, hockey, and all sorts including - yes - lacrosse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MC &#8211; glad you see my view. The interesting thing to me is actually how one can properly set up the &#8216;usage terms&#8217; of a community/government owned or funded asset to allow proper/sensible use by the primary tenant who justifies the existence of the facility in the first place, but also allows a range of other sports and passtimes to be accomodated.</p>
<p>Obviously if $20mill of my hard earned dollars are going into this ground I want it to be used fully and sensibly and by a cross section of public/sporting interests.</p>
<p>But again good on this for happening and I have no probs with the building of a facility that may be good not only for AFL (and good on it for that) but also for football, league, union, athletics, hockey, and all sorts including &#8211; yes &#8211; lacrosse.</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh...Opus Dei.

Simmo, you haven&#039;t been castigating yourself again? :-)

Redb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh&#8230;Opus Dei.</p>
<p>Simmo, you haven&#8217;t been castigating yourself again? <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Simmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the Vatican is at the heart of this conspiracy. The links are obvious once you know who deeply embedded RL is in Catholic schools right across Sydney.

But I can&#039;t talk now.  Meet me in the Blacktown City Council carpark at 9pm tonight. Come alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the Vatican is at the heart of this conspiracy. The links are obvious once you know who deeply embedded RL is in Catholic schools right across Sydney.</p>
<p>But I can&#8217;t talk now.  Meet me in the Blacktown City Council carpark at 9pm tonight. Come alone.</p>
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