What game are the video refs playing?
By Steve Kaless, 11 May 2009 Steve Kaless is a Roar Guru
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Few people with any class would have watched the antics of Chelsea’s Didier Drogba and felt that the striker covered himself in glory. Referees in all sports have a tough job and it can be highly frustrating to see them make mistakes as I wrote about last week.
But on reflection you normally cut them a break as they are working under extreme circumstances and having to make split second decisions.
But does the same go for video referees?
Last week I moaned about referees on the field lacking empathy with tacklers attempting to do their job. Now I set about this week determined not to write about referees but after watching the Test match and the matches to date there can be simply no alternative.
It all started on Friday night as the Kangaroos cruised past the Kiwis. As the hosts set about running a coaching clinic in attacking football for their trans tasman cousins, I stood in awe as they executed a perfect play which sent Billy Slater over untouched.
It took great timing for Slater and Justin Hodges and a superb sleight of hand by Darren Lockyer to throw the perfect pass as they absolutely bamboozled the Kiwis defence.
The result? No try.
Video referee Bill Harrigan had decided that Hodges had run an obstruction. Goose. Anyone watching the video would have seen Manu Vatuvai committing to Hodges and charging in field. There is no way the Aussies should have been punished for his error.
As I said last week, it is my opinion that the majority of referees fail to understand the nature of defence and I reckon the same goes here.
A failure to appreciate the decision making process in defence, when to go in, stay out etc means that referees can’t work out whether or not a player was an obstruction.
It doesn’t help that defenders often play up the role of others when all hope of stopping the attacker is lost.
How often do we see players clatter into other attacking players before dramatically falling to the ground or appealing to the referee when they were at long odds to even get near the player in possession.
I’m sure coaches are instructing players to do so in a last ditch attempt to stop a try. I know I would.
But it didn’t end with Harrigan.
Sean Hampstead was at it at the Newcastle match, disallowing a try to William Zillman and ruling Scott Prince was an obstruction.
Scott Prince played the ball, just what he is meant to do after that short on evaporating is anyone’s guess on this ruling.
I’ve seen it time and time again over the years, and with greater frequency, as a player dives over from dummy half the defenders realise they have been done and crash into the player who has played the ball and claim obstruction.
Rarely would they have stopped the player scoring but more often than not they get the penalty.
It’s garbage. If you are allowed to score from dummy half then it might happen that defenders may come in contact with the previously tackled player but they really need to ask themselves, would it have made any difference?
But the obstruction rule seems pretty straight forward compared to grounding the ball after our diligent referees have come up with their new interpretation.
You must ground the ball with downward pressure, but this year you can be actually dropping the ball so long as there no “separation” between the hand and the ball when it is touching the ground.
However, the rotund Paul Simpkins has also decided to add into the mix that you can ground the ball with your chest. That should clear things up.
The honourable Mr Simpkins in his many replays to determine whether Jamie Lyon had knocked the ball on failed to look at the precedent of Jaryd Hayne a few weeks ago when he was penalized and a classic try became the one that got away.
Are these matters even discussed to get some sort of consistency? It doesn’t seem so.
Imagine it decided a Grand Final. Well in fact it did in 2006, little seems to have been learned since then.
Of course, I doubt we could actually do without our video referees as the referees seem to get blasted when they don’t go upstairs as well.
At least Des Hasler was happy with the performance this week.
What did Steve Price say about referees and winning matches again? He looks to have been proven right.
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May 11th 2009 @ 2:49pm
Spiro Zavos said | May 11th 2009 @ 2:49pm | Report comment
Prince did put his arm around the neck of his marker. His explanation that he was tangled up from the playl-the-ball was inaccurate. He did a cheap little trick and grabbed the neck of his marker. But his action had no effect on the next play. The marker was never going to stop the dive for the try. Perhaps there is some justice that a cheap little trick was punished.
But the bigger issue is that the try should have been awarded and Prince told to cut out the cheap plays or be punished next time.
The propensity for the video referees to get it wrong never fails to amaze.
May 11th 2009 @ 3:35pm
Mick of Newie said | May 11th 2009 @ 3:35pm | Report comment
Spiro
Reminds me of that great try a couple of weeks ago by the raiders up the middle of the scrum. It was beautiful. Innovative try of the decade. Unfortunately one of the raiders was holding the defender away despite the fact the affected player could not have made a tackle.
I think your last line is a bit of a cheap shot though, any evidence to support it. Most controversial decisions are 50/50 judgement calls so almost by definition they can’t be got wrong (or right). For mine it beats the old system hands down. We get some tries awarded now particularly on grounding the ball and taking the corner flag that would never have been given in the pre video ref days.
May 11th 2009 @ 7:57pm
Wally James said | May 11th 2009 @ 7:57pm | Report comment
Steve
Simpkins awarding the try where the player grounded the ball with his chest is absolutely correct. Look at the definition of grounding the ball in the glossary of terms to the Rules of the Game. If you ground the ball in your opponents in-goal it is a try.
Terry
You can’t knock on with your chest because thats what the Rules say. Its a simple matter of the definion of knock on, once again in the glossary. You cannot knock on with your chest. There is no trick to it.
May 11th 2009 @ 8:17pm
Steve Kaless said | May 11th 2009 @ 8:17pm | Report comment
Gentleman,
Thans for your feedback.
Brett,
Great point, one that I did think and I completely agree, also more players need to come into the refereeing ranks.
Terry,
I think the key point is the power to the referee on the field. I don’ think they’ll ever get rid of video refs (largely because they do help) but they do need to increase the power of th blokes in the middle, they seem to be taking away their confidence to make the calls when they needlessly go upstairs….and it then seems to be a lottery.
Cosmos,
I’ll have a read about the ref’s preparation as well, thanks for the tip Mick, but I agree that Finch’s job seems to be just back the refs regardless. There may be grey area over Lyons and Zillman, but the Slater decision was a clear error, why not just say so. A complete lack of creditibility.
Wally,
It may be in the rules, but I think most people are scratching their heads that that gets in. These rules are constantly getting worked over and it is just getting more confusing which is increasing the inconsistency.
There is clear a discrepancy between the referees about their knowledge of precise rules, you only need to look at the vast diferences in experience and in my opinion it does show.
Enjoy the debate.
May 11th 2009 @ 8:39pm
Wally James said | May 11th 2009 @ 8:39pm | Report comment
Steve
I understand your point about rules being perpetually changed but the ball coming off the chest has always been the law since before the great split of the 1890s. It is the same law in Rugby and always was in League. People scratching their heads has nothing to do with whether the ruling was right or not. The video ref was right. He is owed an apology by all, who in ignorance of the rules, castigated him. It really is as simple as that unfortunately. Whether he and his other refs are always consistent is another issue.
May 11th 2009 @ 9:08pm
Steve Kaless said | May 11th 2009 @ 9:08pm | Report comment
Wally,
The rules also state you can’t propel the ball forward for your own advantage. Which Lyons did. So do we all get an apology for that error? Of course we don’t want to see the four days after matches made up of apologies, but I also think it could help calm the rage.
I’ve refereed myself, admittedly not at any great level, but people still treat it as the world in on the line, I always found a bit of humility went a long way to calming people down. That doesn’t seem to be the case. We never seem to hear from our top referees “We all make mistakes” only “We never make mistakes, only you do”.
May 11th 2009 @ 10:01pm
kevin from glebe said | May 11th 2009 @ 10:01pm | Report comment
the refs are a protected species just like the jewish race, if youre not praising them anything u say about them will be labelled as anti-semitism. say anything not positive about the refs and u get slapped with a $10,000 fine.
at the moment its pretty disgraceful, the decisions that go to the vid ref that are wrong is getting higher by the game. i thought the 2 refs was a good move in the right direction but most of the refs are young in the current nrl crop.
they definitely need to have an even mix for EVERY game of 1 well experienced and the other less excperienced ref. otherwise they are compromising the game too much and putting at risks costly decisions that could cost teams games or possibly at the end of the year shot at title.
maybe they need more cameras at the ground, but they will always agrue they have enough, but the video ref can always be viewed in many angles and many more if the technology allows. less mistakes with more angles and better shots.
cant say that we are alone with this problem, only have to see with the afl and jeff kennett hawthorn presidente giving it to the umpires
May 12th 2009 @ 5:10am
Terry Kidd said | May 12th 2009 @ 5:10am | Report comment
G’day Wally James. Yeah I know what the rules say and it is true that pushing the ball forward with your body is not a knock on but you can only force the ball with your body if it is already on the ground. In Lyons case when he fell forward onto the ball it was still in the air, therefore ‘no try’ should have been ruled. Mate, I do know the rules. I was a ref.
May 12th 2009 @ 2:44pm
Russell Bussian said | May 12th 2009 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
Hey Kev maybe Robert Finch should go on a recruitment drive to Israel!
May 12th 2009 @ 6:59pm
The Answer said | May 12th 2009 @ 6:59pm | Report comment
Are they all as big as Folau?