How can one tell a great five-eighth in the making?
By Greg Russell, 13 May 2009 Greg Russell is a Roar Guru
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- Afusipa Taumoepeau, Bob Dwyer, Joseph Tomane, Kurtley Beale, Matt Toomua, Quade Cooper, Rugby Union, Super Rugby, Waratahs

Waratahs Kurtley Beale is taken in a Hurricanes tackle in the Super 14 rugby match at Westpac Stadium, Wellington, New Zealand, Saturday, Feb. 14, 2009. (AAP Images/NZPA, Ross Setford)
When Bob Dwyer was asked what he thought of the five-eighth of the 2005 Australian Schoolboys rugby team, he quipped “that backup five-eighth looks pretty good.” Dwyer was talking about Quade Cooper. The player he was asked about was Kurtley Beale.
The arrival of Beale, the Aboriginal Wunderkind from Sydney’s western suburbs, via St Joseph’s College, Hunter’s Hill, had been long heralded. Given the observation of Dwyer and others, could it be that Australian rugby was about to get two saviours for the price of one?
The reality hasn’t been straightforward.
There is no doubt that both Beale and Cooper are prodigiously talented and remain considerably interesting prospects. However, I like to say that Cooper is a reincarnation of Carlos Spencer, except that where King Carlos was inconsistent from match to match, Cooper seems to be inconsistent from moment to moment within the one match. Quite literally, he can be dazzlingly brilliant one instant and then awful the next.
Beale also has consistency problems, but his bigger issues are his defence and his lack of physical presence.
Despite these differences, the end result is really much the same: both players struggle to fulfill the classic five-eighth’s role of being able to control a game.
It was therefore a pleasant surprise to see a young kid step out of the shadows and do just this for the Brumbies last weekend.
Of course, those who follow these things closely knew of Matt Toomua before his quality performance against the Blues. It’s not just any player who goes straight from school into the squad of the Brumbies, and then onto their bench (as he did in 2008).
And one should point out that Toomua’s Australian Schoolboys achieved something in 2007 that Beale and Cooper were not able to: they beat New Zealand Schoolboys for the first time since 1997, when a certain Craig Wing and Ryan Cross were the stars of the show.
Indeed, scouts were adamant that the 2007 crop were the best batch of Australian schoolboy rugby union players to emerge in the past decade, with one NRL scout saying of the outside back prospects: “There’s half a dozen who can’t miss.”
One of these, Joseph Tomane, is already a starting player for the Melbourne Storm. But the rest seem to have stayed in rugby, with players like Rob Horne (Waratahs), James O’Connor (Force) and Afusipa Taumoepeau (Brumbies) already having made marks at the top level.
Now we welcome Toomua.
One may contrast the quiet way he has been brought along with all the fanfare surrounding Beale and Cooper. It seems clear to me that their development has suffered from all the attention and weight of expectation.
Of course, it’s very early days yet for Toomua.
But there was a maturity and all-round quality about his performance that we have yet to see from Beale and Cooper. Take Toomua’s dropped goal, for example.
Johnny Wilkinson could hardly have bettered the deliberate planning and clinical execution. As we all know, Wilkinson wasn’t bad at controlling a game.
But perhaps one might better compare Toomua’s understated arrival and composed performance against the Blues with the young Dan Carter. It’s worth remembering that the player who has gone on to become the world’s best rugby player was not considered good enough to make the New Zealand Schoolboys team (trivia question: who kept him out?).
Carter progressed straight to senior ranks in Canterbury, and no matter where he was positioned or whom he came up against, observers kept being struck by the fact that he got the job done, that he didn’t make mistakes, and that he had no weaknesses.
Already one can say that Toomua is more along these lines than Beale or Cooper ever will be.
What are the lessons in all this?
That schoolboy acclaim is far from a sure guide of adult success? That with Toomua at the helm, the Brumbies will beat the Chiefs this weekend?
That with so much young talent coming through, Robbie Deans has picked a great time to become Wallaby coach?
That Queensland are the authors of their own demise by not being able to hang onto their prodigiously talented schoolboy stars (O’Connor, Toomua and David Pocock)?
That there is even more to come from the 2008 Australian Schoolboys, who went one better than the 2007 crop by becoming the first ever team to win on Kiwi soil? That Australian rugby is on the threshold of another era like the early 1980s, when the quality of the backs far exceeds that of the forwards? (notice that almost all of these emerging stars are backs).
I don’t know.
But what I can do is agree with the rest of what Dywer said in 2005: “Things look fantastic.”
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May 13th 2009 @ 10:51am
IronAwe said | May 13th 2009 @ 10:51am | Report comment
I have to agree with Spirro here. Giteau’s best games were at the start of his career where he played at inside centre. He had an amazing ability to see gaps before they were there, and put himself through, much like Rob Egerton. (What a short but sweet career that was!) The problem is after larkham left we didn’t have anyone to fill those shoes and Giteau was dropped in the slot. He’s a great No.10, but he is a brilliant inside centre. However, Giteau is still the best Australian No.10 currently, and we don’t really have much choice but to play him there.
May 13th 2009 @ 11:34am
stillmissit said | May 13th 2009 @ 11:34am | Report comment
Guys I disagree with your one game hold your powder claims. This Toomua has time and a certain calmness that all great 5/8ths have. The things that will change are decision making and controll of the back line.
I ruthlessly predict that this kid will be one of the all time great 5/8ths based on one game.
May 13th 2009 @ 11:53am
Working Class Rugger said | May 13th 2009 @ 11:53am | Report comment
The guy who kept Carter out of the NZ Schoolboy’s It’s a kiwi cricketer isn’t it. Brendan McCullum I think.
May 13th 2009 @ 12:00pm
Jerry said | May 13th 2009 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
Terry – Dan Carter would only have been 16 in 98, so it wouldn’t be Mauger keeping him out. I did wonder if Stephen Donald might have as I know he was an age group star but he’s about 18 months younger than Carter so it wouldn’t have been him either.
May 13th 2009 @ 12:05pm
Who Needs Melon said | May 13th 2009 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
AndrewB and Conor: Spot on. Let’s not extrapolate too much out of a good game or two and shift our search for the new saviour from Beale/Cooper to Toomua.
Spiro: I agree with everything you’ve said APART from the implication that Larkham wasn’t a “controller of the game”. I think, as well as being other things, he was also a very good controller of the game. And also very good at underplaying his hand and so knowing WHEN to try to do something himself. Or have I misread this implication?
Another thing this whole discussion highlights for me is the that we DO have a yawning chasm in this country between Super rugby and the next level down. Taking a guy from club or schoolboy rugby and throwing them into the front line of Super rugby is going to do harm far more often than it is going to do good. ESPECIALLY (as Bretty McKay has said) when you don’t surround them with experienced mentors to support them.
May 13th 2009 @ 12:12pm
ohtani's jacket said | May 13th 2009 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
Answer: You wait a few years and see what happens.
I can’t understand Australian thinking sometimes. Why do you hype schoolboys so much? Most New Zealanders are blissfully unaware of who’s in the NZ schoolboys side or even the under-21s, which are now the under-20s. I suppose this Aussie hoopla goes back to the Australian School Boy’s tour of ’77-78. Perhaps we should call it the “Ella Complex.”
Interesting enough, I was reading an article about NZ schoolboy development the other day and some criticism of it —
http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/features/786307/One-track-development
You’ve gotta let these guys fly under the radar. What happens if Toomua has a bad game against the Chiefs this week? Donald just got done showing up Ripia, who some Kiwis were saying should be a bolter. Give it time.
May 13th 2009 @ 12:20pm
ohtani's jacket said | May 13th 2009 @ 12:20pm | Report comment
Brendan McCullum played first five for a South Island secondary schools team, where Carter came off the bench to play wing. As far as I’m aware, the only national team Carter made before the All Blacks was the New Zealand Under 21 side in 2002.
May 13th 2009 @ 12:23pm
katzilla said | May 13th 2009 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
Without a doubt it was Luke McCalister. Although towards the end of the 2002 season Dan Carter got more game time as McCalister moved towards the centres.
Good article, and the rise of Toomua can only mean good things for Australian rugby.
Spiro makes a good point regarding the Canes and Ripia, which will be highly relevant to Australian rugby in the coming years.
Ripia doesn’t have the flashy show but does the basics right as does Toomua, because of this limitation in the excitement area he tends to ship it more to the players outside him and lets them do the damage which is how it should be when you have 4 All Blacks outside you. With so much Talent coming through in backline stocks Australia will be better served be a 5/8 that puts it in the hands of those more able to make inroads out wide. Probably one of the reasons why Merhts was picked over King Carlos for so long.
As far as Deans goes, Australia have picked the perfect time to have him. Not so much a coach as a Talent scout, the high level depth when he leaves his post in Australia will be the best its ever been.
May 13th 2009 @ 12:27pm
Working Class Rugger said | May 13th 2009 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
I remember last summer whilst watching Aus vs NZ in the cricket and one of the kiwi commentator mentioned that McCullum kept Carter out of a side. It might have only been the school side.
May 13th 2009 @ 2:26pm
Bulldog said | May 13th 2009 @ 2:26pm | Report comment
If you want to see a great 5/8th in the making then I suggest you have a look at James O’Connor. This kid is a genuine freak and will surpass all others to become one of the greatest players in OZ rugby history. At 18 he is head and shoulders better than Giteau was at the same age….
If you want to know the model on how to develop a young 5/8 then just look to the Kiwi’s such as Robbie Deans and the Crusaders (Dan Carter) & John Mitchell and the Force (James O’Connor). Bring them into the team at inside centre or fullback outside a geniune 5/8 (ie. Carter & Mertens) and allow them to develop rather than thrusting them into the position and hoping for miracles (ie. Beale). In business they call it succession planning – a concept that the OZ based rugby coaching and selector group are yet to grasp. Thank God we have Robbie now.