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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-154324</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 23:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sj
you&#039;re right - you deserve plenty of kudos for the Fantasy EPL win - it&#039;s a long season, and to stay top of it is a might effort - congrats!!

(sj, from memory, I was disappointed that you took the bait on Chelsea so easily!  but hey - who&#039;s lauging now!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sj<br />
you&#8217;re right &#8211; you deserve plenty of kudos for the Fantasy EPL win &#8211; it&#8217;s a long season, and to stay top of it is a might effort &#8211; congrats!!</p>
<p>(sj, from memory, I was disappointed that you took the bait on Chelsea so easily!  but hey &#8211; who&#8217;s lauging now!!)</p>
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		<title>By: Slippery Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153639</link>
		<dc:creator>Slippery Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 07:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh? I disappoint you? Why??? Greg&#039;s stats get praised and mine cause only disappointment? What a strange world we live in... 

And not a word about my Fantasy EPL victory from anyone - nows that&#039;s disappointing, Pippu!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh? I disappoint you? Why??? Greg&#8217;s stats get praised and mine cause only disappointment? What a strange world we live in&#8230; </p>
<p>And not a word about my Fantasy EPL victory from anyone &#8211; nows that&#8217;s disappointing, Pippu!</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153637</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 07:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never a truer word said - I&#039;m outta here too!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never a truer word said &#8211; I&#8217;m outta here too!!</p>
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		<title>By: Art Sapphire</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153632</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Sapphire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 07:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Pip -  as Ernest said  &quot;An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools.&#039;

I am out of here - have a good weekend :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Pip &#8211;  as Ernest said  &#8220;An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools.&#8217;</p>
<p>I am out of here &#8211; have a good weekend <img src='http://www.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153631</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 07:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sj

you disappoint me</description>
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<p>you disappoint me</p>
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		<title>By: Slippery Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153629</link>
		<dc:creator>Slippery Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 07:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pippu, I&#039;m not sure you are aware, but it was later in the season that Chelsea beat Arsenal 4-1 at the Emirates. 

Opta stats show Chelsea are the most attacking side in the EPL over the course of the season - with more shots on goal than any other club (248). Chelsea also set an EPL record this season for most consecutive away wins (11) and were the strongest club away from home this season. They also had the highest pass accuracy rate in the EPL (81%). 

So Chelsea hardly flattered to deceive, in fact it is our latter form that was title winning, not our former form in which the sadly inadequate Scolari had one or two good games but lost crucial points until he was replaced by the mighty Guus.

Still, I do remember that first game of the season with special fondness...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pippu, I&#8217;m not sure you are aware, but it was later in the season that Chelsea beat Arsenal 4-1 at the Emirates. </p>
<p>Opta stats show Chelsea are the most attacking side in the EPL over the course of the season &#8211; with more shots on goal than any other club (248). Chelsea also set an EPL record this season for most consecutive away wins (11) and were the strongest club away from home this season. They also had the highest pass accuracy rate in the EPL (81%). </p>
<p>So Chelsea hardly flattered to deceive, in fact it is our latter form that was title winning, not our former form in which the sadly inadequate Scolari had one or two good games but lost crucial points until he was replaced by the mighty Guus.</p>
<p>Still, I do remember that first game of the season with special fondness&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153627</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 07:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike
and another thing about Catalan sympathisers, your observation that the Western world over-romantices it is well made - I make one point - blame Hemingway!!

As male sporting enthusiasts (which most of us are to at least some degree), how could we not be influenced by Hemingway&#039;s tales in which men are men, and those lacking in cojones get their just rewards (and where the women don&#039;t mind a man with smelly armpits and a bit of stubble on the face).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike<br />
and another thing about Catalan sympathisers, your observation that the Western world over-romantices it is well made &#8211; I make one point &#8211; blame Hemingway!!</p>
<p>As male sporting enthusiasts (which most of us are to at least some degree), how could we not be influenced by Hemingway&#8217;s tales in which men are men, and those lacking in cojones get their just rewards (and where the women don&#8217;t mind a man with smelly armpits and a bit of stubble on the face).</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153625</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 07:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Man Utd stat doesn&#039;t surprise - at no stage did they ever really get into a groove on course to defending their title.

Liverpool dropped a few too many gimme 3 pointers (and Chelsea flattered to deceive, looking like the new Arsenal during the first 90 minutes of the season - alas  - that was their high point).

Art - I already said I believed the story!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Man Utd stat doesn&#8217;t surprise &#8211; at no stage did they ever really get into a groove on course to defending their title.</p>
<p>Liverpool dropped a few too many gimme 3 pointers (and Chelsea flattered to deceive, looking like the new Arsenal during the first 90 minutes of the season &#8211; alas  &#8211; that was their high point).</p>
<p>Art &#8211; I already said I believed the story!!</p>
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		<title>By: Robbos</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153617</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 06:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, so in cricket terms.

Man U are Flat Track Bullies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, so in cricket terms.</p>
<p>Man U are Flat Track Bullies.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Sapphire</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153615</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Sapphire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 06:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike &amp; Pip - lets not forget that during Franco&#039;s Spain the only way to publicly express your Catalonian and Basque  identity was at the football ground. This is why clubs like Barca and Bilbao are more than just football clubs.

You still have to be Basque to play for Bilbao. Its quite an anachronistic position in today&#039;s modern football but then again football is not all about winning trophies.

Pip - the story I recounted to you yesterday was quite true.

Greg - great observation. Liverpool certainly fluffed their lines this season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &amp; Pip &#8211; lets not forget that during Franco&#8217;s Spain the only way to publicly express your Catalonian and Basque  identity was at the football ground. This is why clubs like Barca and Bilbao are more than just football clubs.</p>
<p>You still have to be Basque to play for Bilbao. Its quite an anachronistic position in today&#8217;s modern football but then again football is not all about winning trophies.</p>
<p>Pip &#8211; the story I recounted to you yesterday was quite true.</p>
<p>Greg &#8211; great observation. Liverpool certainly fluffed their lines this season.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Tuckerman</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153607</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Tuckerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 05:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pippinu - that&#039;s fair enough, and very interesting to note.

And Greg - fantastic statistic! It certainly paints Manchester United&#039;s achievements this season in an interesting light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pippinu &#8211; that&#8217;s fair enough, and very interesting to note.</p>
<p>And Greg &#8211; fantastic statistic! It certainly paints Manchester United&#8217;s achievements this season in an interesting light.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153605</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 05:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many people are aware of the following (information from a hopefully reputable source):

&quot;In Premier League against the bottom 12 teams MU got 70 of 72 points. Against the top 7 teams they got 20 points from 42. Against the other top 4 teams they got 5 points from 18. So for MU to struggle against a good team was expected.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many people are aware of the following (information from a hopefully reputable source):</p>
<p>&#8220;In Premier League against the bottom 12 teams MU got 70 of 72 points. Against the top 7 teams they got 20 points from 42. Against the other top 4 teams they got 5 points from 18. So for MU to struggle against a good team was expected.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153603</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 05:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Mike - as you would know - the Spanish Civil War was the last of the great lost causes - of course it&#039;s romanticised to buggery!!

I have other reasons for being an unabashed Catalan sympathiser (being a desecendant of a former subject of the Aragonese crown - which harks back to a time when Sicilian was viewed as a national language, and spoken alongside Catalan amongst the noblesse of Palermo, Catania and Messina - many traces of Catalan remain within my mother tongue to this day).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Mike &#8211; as you would know &#8211; the Spanish Civil War was the last of the great lost causes &#8211; of course it&#8217;s romanticised to buggery!!</p>
<p>I have other reasons for being an unabashed Catalan sympathiser (being a desecendant of a former subject of the Aragonese crown &#8211; which harks back to a time when Sicilian was viewed as a national language, and spoken alongside Catalan amongst the noblesse of Palermo, Catania and Messina &#8211; many traces of Catalan remain within my mother tongue to this day).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Tuckerman</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153600</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Tuckerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 05:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had tipped Barcelona months ago to win the European crown. I watched every one of their La Liga games on TV (and plenty of Manchester United&#039;s) and I simply couldn&#039;t see anyone beating them in Europe... although obviously they scraped through against Chelsea by the skin of their teeth.

I&#039;m just wondering why Catalan nationalism is so unquestioningly romanticised in much of the western world? I&#039;ve got friends (from the region) who call themselves Barcelona fans that have never seen a game of football in their lives. Are we equally romantic towards a club like Athletic Bilbao? Perhaps not, since bombs still detonate in the name of the Basque (quasi Marxist-Leninist) separatist movement. 

And yes, I&#039;m well aware of the fractured history of federalised Spain (Phil Ball&#039;s wonderful &quot;Morbo&quot; takes pride of place in my extensive football library).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had tipped Barcelona months ago to win the European crown. I watched every one of their La Liga games on TV (and plenty of Manchester United&#8217;s) and I simply couldn&#8217;t see anyone beating them in Europe&#8230; although obviously they scraped through against Chelsea by the skin of their teeth.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just wondering why Catalan nationalism is so unquestioningly romanticised in much of the western world? I&#8217;ve got friends (from the region) who call themselves Barcelona fans that have never seen a game of football in their lives. Are we equally romantic towards a club like Athletic Bilbao? Perhaps not, since bombs still detonate in the name of the Basque (quasi Marxist-Leninist) separatist movement. </p>
<p>And yes, I&#8217;m well aware of the fractured history of federalised Spain (Phil Ball&#8217;s wonderful &#8220;Morbo&#8221; takes pride of place in my extensive football library).</p>
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		<title>By: Ben of Phnom Penh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben of Phnom Penh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 08:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barcelona looked good this morning however I was surprised by Manchester United&#039;s response following the first goal.  They were all over Barcelona yet seemed to lose that aggression after 10 minutes.  One cannot help but wonder if a team gets that used to being in front and dominating that when they find themselves on the receiving end they are not sure how to respond.

I thought the ref and linesmen were ok this morning.

Pippinu, I saw an article on goal.com which had the most popular teams in China following a poll of unknown veracity.  You may be saddened to learn that the most popular team is AC Milan, followed by Real Madrid and then Man U.  Apparently they were surprised to find that a number of Chinese sides made the top 15.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barcelona looked good this morning however I was surprised by Manchester United&#8217;s response following the first goal.  They were all over Barcelona yet seemed to lose that aggression after 10 minutes.  One cannot help but wonder if a team gets that used to being in front and dominating that when they find themselves on the receiving end they are not sure how to respond.</p>
<p>I thought the ref and linesmen were ok this morning.</p>
<p>Pippinu, I saw an article on goal.com which had the most popular teams in China following a poll of unknown veracity.  You may be saddened to learn that the most popular team is AC Milan, followed by Real Madrid and then Man U.  Apparently they were surprised to find that a number of Chinese sides made the top 15.</p>
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		<title>By: Kazama</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153196</link>
		<dc:creator>Kazama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 05:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pippinu - No worries mate

Mick -  Liverpool were extremely lucky in 2005 IMO. They nearly went out in the group stage but for Gerrard&#039;s last-gasp goal against Olympiakos. And while I&#039;ll maintain that the goal against us in the semi was never a goal, the fact is the ref should have stopped play before that because of the high boot by Baros in the lead up to the &quot;goal.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pippinu &#8211; No worries mate</p>
<p>Mick &#8211;  Liverpool were extremely lucky in 2005 IMO. They nearly went out in the group stage but for Gerrard&#8217;s last-gasp goal against Olympiakos. And while I&#8217;ll maintain that the goal against us in the semi was never a goal, the fact is the ref should have stopped play before that because of the high boot by Baros in the lead up to the &#8220;goal.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robbos</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153194</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 05:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barcelona best team in Europe.

Maldini is absolute legend.

Xavi &amp; Inesita, wow what midfielders, this is how to play, won&#039;t be betting against Spain in WC2010.

Messi totally awesome, he doesn&#039;t actually beat players but runs with the ball as if there is no defenders there.

Ronaldo had no support.

Rooney, Park, Carrick &amp; vidic were poor. Van der Saar I thought could&#039;ve done better.

Henry missed a sitter, if Barcelona lost, Henry goes missing in big matches again would be headlines.

Who is Chelsea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barcelona best team in Europe.</p>
<p>Maldini is absolute legend.</p>
<p>Xavi &amp; Inesita, wow what midfielders, this is how to play, won&#8217;t be betting against Spain in WC2010.</p>
<p>Messi totally awesome, he doesn&#8217;t actually beat players but runs with the ball as if there is no defenders there.</p>
<p>Ronaldo had no support.</p>
<p>Rooney, Park, Carrick &amp; vidic were poor. Van der Saar I thought could&#8217;ve done better.</p>
<p>Henry missed a sitter, if Barcelona lost, Henry goes missing in big matches again would be headlines.</p>
<p>Who is Chelsea?</p>
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		<title>By: Slippery Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slippery Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 05:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mick, hmm...let&#039;s see one so-called penalty at Camp Nou, Four (at least) at Stamford Bridge, and the aggregate score would have been Chelsea 5 Barca 2. Sorry, can&#039;t say I agree that Chelsea were lucky.

And yes, Milan fans and fans of other Spanish clubs on the wrong side of certain decisions to complain, and for years later. I quote one Milan fan, in a comment made three years after the UCL fina in which Gerrard was awarded that penalty (in discussion of another controversial decision):

&quot;such a shame to see a player like gerrard do a thing like this[a dive against Atletico Madrid]..............he is a bit of a hypocrite in that he chastises those who dive and yet he is a performer of highest order in diving.............champions league final 2005 istanbul ring a bell? giancarlo knows what im talking about. great player........huge hypocrite&quot;

&quot;Yes any Milan fans know what you&#039;re talking about. Gerrard is a cheater and always have been one. This doesn&#039;t surprise me&quot;

&quot;He most certainly did dive. I did watch the game, and the referee should have given Atletico at least two penalty kicks. The score would have been 3-1 at the end with Atletico winning&quot; 

etc.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article5191537.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&amp;attr=796995

Fans of Spanish club Atletico Madrid even made death threats to a referee that awarded that penalty to Liverpool.

In 2007 a Spanish referee received more than 50 death threats to himself and his family from Real Madrid fans for awarding two controversial penalties and sending off two Real Madrid players. His six year old daughter even received abuse in the park for her fathers performance, being told that her father &quot;ruined things for Real&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mick, hmm&#8230;let&#8217;s see one so-called penalty at Camp Nou, Four (at least) at Stamford Bridge, and the aggregate score would have been Chelsea 5 Barca 2. Sorry, can&#8217;t say I agree that Chelsea were lucky.</p>
<p>And yes, Milan fans and fans of other Spanish clubs on the wrong side of certain decisions to complain, and for years later. I quote one Milan fan, in a comment made three years after the UCL fina in which Gerrard was awarded that penalty (in discussion of another controversial decision):</p>
<p>&#8220;such a shame to see a player like gerrard do a thing like this[a dive against Atletico Madrid]&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..he is a bit of a hypocrite in that he chastises those who dive and yet he is a performer of highest order in diving&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.champions league final 2005 istanbul ring a bell? giancarlo knows what im talking about. great player&#8230;&#8230;..huge hypocrite&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes any Milan fans know what you&#8217;re talking about. Gerrard is a cheater and always have been one. This doesn&#8217;t surprise me&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;He most certainly did dive. I did watch the game, and the referee should have given Atletico at least two penalty kicks. The score would have been 3-1 at the end with Atletico winning&#8221; </p>
<p>etc.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article5191537.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&amp;attr=796995" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article5191537.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&amp;attr=796995</a></p>
<p>Fans of Spanish club Atletico Madrid even made death threats to a referee that awarded that penalty to Liverpool.</p>
<p>In 2007 a Spanish referee received more than 50 death threats to himself and his family from Real Madrid fans for awarding two controversial penalties and sending off two Real Madrid players. His six year old daughter even received abuse in the park for her fathers performance, being told that her father &#8220;ruined things for Real&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Sapphire</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153174</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Sapphire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barca&#039;s successful youth system makes me think about the West Ham&#039;s. 
The sad difference is that my beloved Hammers are not big enough to keep all the players they have developed.  

Otherwise, we might have been be playing in the UCL final against Barca with a team comprising of Rio Ferdinand, Glen Johnson, Joe Cole, Michael Carrick, Frank  Lampard and a few choice imports. Oh well, I can always dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barca&#8217;s successful youth system makes me think about the West Ham&#8217;s.<br />
The sad difference is that my beloved Hammers are not big enough to keep all the players they have developed.  </p>
<p>Otherwise, we might have been be playing in the UCL final against Barca with a team comprising of Rio Ferdinand, Glen Johnson, Joe Cole, Michael Carrick, Frank  Lampard and a few choice imports. Oh well, I can always dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chelsea were lucky the referee save them in the first leg otherwise there would of been no point playing the second leg.

Liverpool won in 2005 helped by (1) a dive in the box by gerard in the finalbut i did not hear the milan supporters whinging (2) liverpool in the semi of 2005 v chelsea with a goal where the ball never crossed the line and (3) liverpool&#039;s opponents in the 1/4s i think had a good goal ruled out for offside when the bloke was onside for 1 to 2 metres.

2005 would be the biggest conspiracy if any, if chelsea were good enough they would of put barca away in the 2nd leg especially when barca had 10 players on the pitch.

I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chelsea were lucky the referee save them in the first leg otherwise there would of been no point playing the second leg.</p>
<p>Liverpool won in 2005 helped by (1) a dive in the box by gerard in the finalbut i did not hear the milan supporters whinging (2) liverpool in the semi of 2005 v chelsea with a goal where the ball never crossed the line and (3) liverpool&#8217;s opponents in the 1/4s i think had a good goal ruled out for offside when the bloke was onside for 1 to 2 metres.</p>
<p>2005 would be the biggest conspiracy if any, if chelsea were good enough they would of put barca away in the 2nd leg especially when barca had 10 players on the pitch.</p>
<p>I</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good onya Kaz - make me look every bit as lazy as I actually am!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good onya Kaz &#8211; make me look every bit as lazy as I actually am!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kazama</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153146</link>
		<dc:creator>Kazama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;[Cesare Maldini] lifted the European Cup with A.C. Milan in 1963 as team captain.&quot; - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Maldini</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[Cesare Maldini] lifted the European Cup with A.C. Milan in 1963 as team captain.&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Maldini" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Maldini</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Munich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Munich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 03:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sour grapes to suggest that Barca&#039;s behaviour in the final was poor.  Yes, Puyol was annoying at times but it was a mild case in the context of all that we see of that less-than-beautiful side of the game these days. And there was a nice symmetry with the often-sooky Ronaldo on the receiving end of it.  Barca&#039;s football this morning was indeed beautiful to behold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sour grapes to suggest that Barca&#8217;s behaviour in the final was poor.  Yes, Puyol was annoying at times but it was a mild case in the context of all that we see of that less-than-beautiful side of the game these days. And there was a nice symmetry with the often-sooky Ronaldo on the receiving end of it.  Barca&#8217;s football this morning was indeed beautiful to behold.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153133</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 03:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To change subject slightly, but The Age has an interesting piece on Maldini today.  He&#039;s on the verge of turning 41 and is about to play his 901st and final game for Milan  - the archetypal one team player - even more incredible when you consider that his father played 347 times for Milan, and also captained the team I believe (sorry, I&#039;m too lazy to check that bit).

That sort of feat is right up there with Barca having 6 local players in their starting XI in terms of rarity in the modern era.

As a sad note to this otherwise great story, he made his last appearance at the San Siro last weekend, and a bunch of idiot ultras put up a banner proclaiming that he hadn&#039;t shown enough respect to those who made him rich.

What a bunch of wankers.

The sooner Italy (and many other nations) can weed the scourge of ultras out of the game, the better off we&#039;ll all be.

It&#039;s hard for a Sicilian to be too complimentary too a Northerner, but Maldini really is an absolute legend in every sense of the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To change subject slightly, but The Age has an interesting piece on Maldini today.  He&#8217;s on the verge of turning 41 and is about to play his 901st and final game for Milan  &#8211; the archetypal one team player &#8211; even more incredible when you consider that his father played 347 times for Milan, and also captained the team I believe (sorry, I&#8217;m too lazy to check that bit).</p>
<p>That sort of feat is right up there with Barca having 6 local players in their starting XI in terms of rarity in the modern era.</p>
<p>As a sad note to this otherwise great story, he made his last appearance at the San Siro last weekend, and a bunch of idiot ultras put up a banner proclaiming that he hadn&#8217;t shown enough respect to those who made him rich.</p>
<p>What a bunch of wankers.</p>
<p>The sooner Italy (and many other nations) can weed the scourge of ultras out of the game, the better off we&#8217;ll all be.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard for a Sicilian to be too complimentary too a Northerner, but Maldini really is an absolute legend in every sense of the word.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153079</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, they pretty much are the national side for Catalunya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they pretty much are the national side for Catalunya.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barca are worthy champs but they are not exactly poor. In the first semi against Chelsea when they picked their first XI they only had 4 Spanish players (Xavi, Iniesta, Pique &amp; Valdez). Never mind how many may have grown up in Barcelona. This in an era where Spain are European Champions. Barca don&#039;t have a sponsor because they like to pretend they&#039;re like a national side for Catalunya. 

I also saw the foul on Ronaldo and thought Man U were unlucky he def got bodychecked by what appeared to be the last defender and only a yellow was given. Having said that the lack of Man U protests suggest there may have been another defender coming across. Also Man U stupidity in letting Giggs take the free kick instead of Ronaldo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barca are worthy champs but they are not exactly poor. In the first semi against Chelsea when they picked their first XI they only had 4 Spanish players (Xavi, Iniesta, Pique &amp; Valdez). Never mind how many may have grown up in Barcelona. This in an era where Spain are European Champions. Barca don&#8217;t have a sponsor because they like to pretend they&#8217;re like a national side for Catalunya. </p>
<p>I also saw the foul on Ronaldo and thought Man U were unlucky he def got bodychecked by what appeared to be the last defender and only a yellow was given. Having said that the lack of Man U protests suggest there may have been another defender coming across. Also Man U stupidity in letting Giggs take the free kick instead of Ronaldo.</p>
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		<title>By: Koala Bear</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/28/champions-league-final-one-for-the-ages/#comment-153058</link>
		<dc:creator>Koala Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slippery Jim,
I only campaigned for him to be included as a sub on the bench ... It&#039;s up to him now... 

btw It seems I am the only one who saw that professional foul on C Ronaldo... I am surprised no one has commented on it ... I will have to watch the replay tonight to see If I did see what I thought happened...

Midfielder or MVDave, didn&#039;t you lads see it....   ???

~~~~~~~
KB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slippery Jim,<br />
I only campaigned for him to be included as a sub on the bench &#8230; It&#8217;s up to him now&#8230; </p>
<p>btw It seems I am the only one who saw that professional foul on C Ronaldo&#8230; I am surprised no one has commented on it &#8230; I will have to watch the replay tonight to see If I did see what I thought happened&#8230;</p>
<p>Midfielder or MVDave, didn&#8217;t you lads see it&#8230;.   ???</p>
<p>~~~~~~~<br />
KB</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Puyol&#039;s acting was a disgrace, especially one incident after he dragged his knees across Van De Saars back and then feigned an injury that stopped ManU in a promising counter attack at the other end of the field.

Iniesta went down without anyone touching him a few times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Puyol&#8217;s acting was a disgrace, especially one incident after he dragged his knees across Van De Saars back and then feigned an injury that stopped ManU in a promising counter attack at the other end of the field.</p>
<p>Iniesta went down without anyone touching him a few times.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must also ask, despite having a reputation, did you see any Manchester United players hounding the refs to the extent of the Barce players? And despite several tough challenges, did you see Ronaldo diving or feigning injury, to the extent of some Barcelona players, for example, Puyol? 

P.S, I&#039;m not sure how Barcelona was built as a business or a club, but Manchester United deserve respect for building a business, without getting any significant investment. Once they got success, from the advent of their very successful 1992 Youth cup side, they have sustained it and ultimately built on it, allowing them to spend the money they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must also ask, despite having a reputation, did you see any Manchester United players hounding the refs to the extent of the Barce players? And despite several tough challenges, did you see Ronaldo diving or feigning injury, to the extent of some Barcelona players, for example, Puyol? </p>
<p>P.S, I&#8217;m not sure how Barcelona was built as a business or a club, but Manchester United deserve respect for building a business, without getting any significant investment. Once they got success, from the advent of their very successful 1992 Youth cup side, they have sustained it and ultimately built on it, allowing them to spend the money they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Slippery Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slippery Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin N, indeed - very wise comments. 

The best performance, for me, in the final this year, was from the referee, I take my hat off to him (or I would if I were wearing one). 

Man of the match and FIFA World Player 2009 = Massimo Busacca.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin N, indeed &#8211; very wise comments. </p>
<p>The best performance, for me, in the final this year, was from the referee, I take my hat off to him (or I would if I were wearing one). </p>
<p>Man of the match and FIFA World Player 2009 = Massimo Busacca.</p>
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