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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-6/#comment-182837</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 07:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They gave it to Jones over this in the SMH

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/silver-lining-to-fittler-fiasco/2009/06/26/1245961404519.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They gave it to Jones over this in the SMH</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/silver-lining-to-fittler-fiasco/2009/06/26/1245961404519.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/silver-lining-to-fittler-fiasco/2009/06/26/1245961404519.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1</a></p>
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		<title>By: GeneralAshnak</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-6/#comment-167109</link>
		<dc:creator>GeneralAshnak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, not always. Also Deepthroat was able to produce corroborative evidence to support what was going on. So far 1 person who is not employed by the newspaper has said that there was an incident. Everyone else who was either there or investigated the ‘incident’ has said that nothing, zero, zilch, happened. Can’t really argue with multiple eye witness accounts can you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, not always. Also Deepthroat was able to produce corroborative evidence to support what was going on. So far 1 person who is not employed by the newspaper has said that there was an incident. Everyone else who was either there or investigated the ‘incident’ has said that nothing, zero, zilch, happened. Can’t really argue with multiple eye witness accounts can you?</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-6/#comment-167033</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it just keeps coming from the others . . . 

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25702756-5001021,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it just keeps coming from the others . . . </p>
<p><a href="http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25702756-5001021,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25702756-5001021,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Midfielder</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-6/#comment-167030</link>
		<dc:creator>Midfielder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimbo

Agree</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimbo</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-6/#comment-167029</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim Cahill&#039;s behaviour has been terrific through all this and I can&#039;t imagine many footballers of his age coming through what he has been through in the past few weeks looking much better.

This is a real positive for football from many angles. The attention has been great and people like Alan Jones and the CEO of Sanitarium (who make Weet Bix) have stood alongside him and backed him 100%.

It certainly hasn&#039;t diminished the reputation of Cahill, Verbeek, the Socceroos or the FFA in any way.
I think that News Limited has gone over the top in their usual fashion and have not increased their readership or credibility by any degree at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Cahill&#8217;s behaviour has been terrific through all this and I can&#8217;t imagine many footballers of his age coming through what he has been through in the past few weeks looking much better.</p>
<p>This is a real positive for football from many angles. The attention has been great and people like Alan Jones and the CEO of Sanitarium (who make Weet Bix) have stood alongside him and backed him 100%.</p>
<p>It certainly hasn&#8217;t diminished the reputation of Cahill, Verbeek, the Socceroos or the FFA in any way.<br />
I think that News Limited has gone over the top in their usual fashion and have not increased their readership or credibility by any degree at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-6/#comment-166729</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Realfootball 

You blame this on a conspiracy theory &quot;...an agenda at the Daily Telegraphy to discredit football...&quot;

How do you explain the SBS reporting then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realfootball </p>
<p>You blame this on a conspiracy theory &#8220;&#8230;an agenda at the Daily Telegraphy to discredit football&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>How do you explain the SBS reporting then?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe FC</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-5/#comment-166715</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe FC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse
There&#039;s no such thing as the perfect marriage, family or club. Despite their differences spouses, families and teams endure &amp; so will the Socceroos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse<br />
There&#8217;s no such thing as the perfect marriage, family or club. Despite their differences spouses, families and teams endure &amp; so will the Socceroos.</p>
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		<title>By: StiflersMom</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-5/#comment-166614</link>
		<dc:creator>StiflersMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Guss was in charge the one thing that was obvious is he instilled discipline, nothing was more clear it was his was or the highway. Is it too late for Pim to change tactic and become that rock for the team?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Guss was in charge the one thing that was obvious is he instilled discipline, nothing was more clear it was his was or the highway. Is it too late for Pim to change tactic and become that rock for the team?</p>
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		<title>By: Robbos</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-5/#comment-166612</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Berbatov was recently criticise by the head of the Buglarian football for not putting in during a recent NT appearance, not something you could ever say about our Timmy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Berbatov was recently criticise by the head of the Buglarian football for not putting in during a recent NT appearance, not something you could ever say about our Timmy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben of Phnom Penh</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-5/#comment-166576</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben of Phnom Penh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problems, Onside.  I&#039;m just more interested in the merits of the article&#039;s content, which I disagreed with, than the style (there being a difference).  You probably just need to articulate your point of view as you make no specific reference to the content.  I apologise for being pedantic however I enjoy the Roar for those moments of insight that posters offer rather than broad comments that reflect points of view that only the poster has insights to. I&#039;d rather learn why posters have a view point than learn that they have them, after all there are interesting people engaging here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problems, Onside.  I&#8217;m just more interested in the merits of the article&#8217;s content, which I disagreed with, than the style (there being a difference).  You probably just need to articulate your point of view as you make no specific reference to the content.  I apologise for being pedantic however I enjoy the Roar for those moments of insight that posters offer rather than broad comments that reflect points of view that only the poster has insights to. I&#8217;d rather learn why posters have a view point than learn that they have them, after all there are interesting people engaging here.</p>
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		<title>By: onside</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-5/#comment-166530</link>
		<dc:creator>onside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben O&#039;PP
My comments neither attack the author ,nor shoot the messenger ,but rather address the style.
It is not a contradiction of terms to say,&#039;on the one hand I acknowledge a contrived format that
people obviously like as it is very successful ,but on the other hand , I  cannot take it seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben O&#8217;PP<br />
My comments neither attack the author ,nor shoot the messenger ,but rather address the style.<br />
It is not a contradiction of terms to say,&#8217;on the one hand I acknowledge a contrived format that<br />
people obviously like as it is very successful ,but on the other hand , I  cannot take it seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke W</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-5/#comment-166510</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,
That is a good point. I have not been witness to the English media, but I understand they can be very harsh. Although I have to ask the question of would Tim Cahill actually be a news story in England? Over here is a household name, but in the EPL he plays for a mid-tier team (not even one with a glamorous or controversial culture or history) and I can&#039;t imagine him being subject to personal attacks. However I agree completely with your comment about not responding would have been the best course of action.

P.S. Great analogy of the fighting drunk, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,<br />
That is a good point. I have not been witness to the English media, but I understand they can be very harsh. Although I have to ask the question of would Tim Cahill actually be a news story in England? Over here is a household name, but in the EPL he plays for a mid-tier team (not even one with a glamorous or controversial culture or history) and I can&#8217;t imagine him being subject to personal attacks. However I agree completely with your comment about not responding would have been the best course of action.</p>
<p>P.S. Great analogy of the fighting drunk, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-5/#comment-166450</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GeneralAshnak Being unable to name sources leads to classic examples of investigative journalism like the ‘Watergate’ affair, and we all have seen how much truth there was to that. thanks to the anonymous source deep throat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GeneralAshnak Being unable to name sources leads to classic examples of investigative journalism like the ‘Watergate’ affair, and we all have seen how much truth there was to that. thanks to the anonymous source deep throat.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben of Phnom Penh</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-5/#comment-166441</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben of Phnom Penh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure on that one, Onside.  It seems that there a few posters with slightly disconcerting &quot;Fink&quot; fetishes that always comment on the author as opposed to the topic on hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure on that one, Onside.  It seems that there a few posters with slightly disconcerting &#8220;Fink&#8221; fetishes that always comment on the author as opposed to the topic on hand.</p>
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		<title>By: onside</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-5/#comment-166419</link>
		<dc:creator>onside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse,The Roar has hit the jackpot with you mate.Pure tabloid.
1.&#039;Who &#039;s derailling the Soccerros express&#039; ,has 42 posts and it is still in pole position
2.&#039;Whats really holding soccer back&#039; , managed a staggering 304 posts
3.&#039;FFA should sanction Cahill for belittling McLaughlin&#039; ,racked up very commendable 184 posts 
Here is  an idea for the next one,
4. &#039;When did Cahill stop beating his wife&#039;.

Cant critisise a writer who has so far racked up over 530 posts via three articles.Ka&#039;ching.Ka&#039;ching.
The fans love it. But this formula is not for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse,The Roar has hit the jackpot with you mate.Pure tabloid.<br />
1.&#8217;Who &#8216;s derailling the Soccerros express&#8217; ,has 42 posts and it is still in pole position<br />
2.&#8217;Whats really holding soccer back&#8217; , managed a staggering 304 posts<br />
3.&#8217;FFA should sanction Cahill for belittling McLaughlin&#8217; ,racked up very commendable 184 posts<br />
Here is  an idea for the next one,<br />
4. &#8216;When did Cahill stop beating his wife&#8217;.</p>
<p>Cant critisise a writer who has so far racked up over 530 posts via three articles.Ka&#8217;ching.Ka&#8217;ching.<br />
The fans love it. But this formula is not for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Viscount Crouchback</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-5/#comment-166418</link>
		<dc:creator>Viscount Crouchback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

Good post. I think the EPL Socceroos expect to be worshipped when they arrive back in Australia. The big man returns - that kind of thing. It&#039;s a common theme with EPL stars when they return to their home country to play alongside their less heralded international team-mates - e.g. Benni McCarthy and SA, Berbatov and Bulgaria, Roy Keane and Ireland, etc

I get the impression that many of them expect a medal for deigning to turn out for their nations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>Good post. I think the EPL Socceroos expect to be worshipped when they arrive back in Australia. The big man returns &#8211; that kind of thing. It&#8217;s a common theme with EPL stars when they return to their home country to play alongside their less heralded international team-mates &#8211; e.g. Benni McCarthy and SA, Berbatov and Bulgaria, Roy Keane and Ireland, etc</p>
<p>I get the impression that many of them expect a medal for deigning to turn out for their nations.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-4/#comment-166406</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke,

I&#039;m sure Tim&#039;s a nice bloke and all in person, but surely being an English Premier League star he&#039;d have been the subject of false allegations before... I guess personally, I&#039;d have expected someone like him to be thicker skinned and think that his reaction achieved the opposite of what he&#039;d have intended. The Telegraph is like a drunk looking for a fight, it&#039;s sometimes just best not to react to them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Tim&#8217;s a nice bloke and all in person, but surely being an English Premier League star he&#8217;d have been the subject of false allegations before&#8230; I guess personally, I&#8217;d have expected someone like him to be thicker skinned and think that his reaction achieved the opposite of what he&#8217;d have intended. The Telegraph is like a drunk looking for a fight, it&#8217;s sometimes just best not to react to them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Luke W</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-4/#comment-166394</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan-
&quot;On Cahill, I think the point was how he reacted rather than whether or not his side of the story was right or not… He really should have just copped it on the chin and gotten on with it, there was no need to insult the reporter in the post match interview (a reporter who had nothing to do with the entire affair).&quot;

For anyone who knows Tim Cahill and the way he normally acts with the media and the public, straight away it was obvious this was a beat up. I have met Tim Cahill, and there is not a more down to earth, caring individual in Australian sport. I am sure that if the Daily Telegraph&#039;s version of events were true, Tim would be the first to put his hand up and say he had done wrong. No doubt in my mind. But the way Tim responded, as an individual who gives his all to the Socceroos and their fans, showed a man who was made to look completely humiliated by a newspaper that has always had questionable agendas and he took matters into his own hands. I for one applaud Cahill. If he did nothing wrong, which he, the establishment, the police and the FFA all believe, he has no right to apologise, or interact with the media who beat up a nothing story to sell some more papers.

As for the interview with Mel McLaughlin, I hope Tim has contacted her to apologise. While she was representing the media who beat up the story, many people watching at home wouldn&#039;t have realised this, and thought it was a personal attack. I know it wasn&#039;t but Tim should apologise to her for the people that might have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan-<br />
&#8220;On Cahill, I think the point was how he reacted rather than whether or not his side of the story was right or not… He really should have just copped it on the chin and gotten on with it, there was no need to insult the reporter in the post match interview (a reporter who had nothing to do with the entire affair).&#8221;</p>
<p>For anyone who knows Tim Cahill and the way he normally acts with the media and the public, straight away it was obvious this was a beat up. I have met Tim Cahill, and there is not a more down to earth, caring individual in Australian sport. I am sure that if the Daily Telegraph&#8217;s version of events were true, Tim would be the first to put his hand up and say he had done wrong. No doubt in my mind. But the way Tim responded, as an individual who gives his all to the Socceroos and their fans, showed a man who was made to look completely humiliated by a newspaper that has always had questionable agendas and he took matters into his own hands. I for one applaud Cahill. If he did nothing wrong, which he, the establishment, the police and the FFA all believe, he has no right to apologise, or interact with the media who beat up a nothing story to sell some more papers.</p>
<p>As for the interview with Mel McLaughlin, I hope Tim has contacted her to apologise. While she was representing the media who beat up the story, many people watching at home wouldn&#8217;t have realised this, and thought it was a personal attack. I know it wasn&#8217;t but Tim should apologise to her for the people that might have.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robbos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touche!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify the above, I was by no means claiming that the Tele&#039;s sport was actually balanced, but rather that the &quot;news&quot; sections are so unbelievably unbalanced that the sports section almost looks decent by comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify the above, I was by no means claiming that the Tele&#8217;s sport was actually balanced, but rather that the &#8220;news&#8221; sections are so unbelievably unbalanced that the sports section almost looks decent by comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-4/#comment-166298</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keeper11,

&quot;just highlighting the patheitic farce that is sydneys so-called major daily….home to a variety of fooball codes..
and not -surprising that football and general sports followers see it with utter contempt and sub-zero credibility….&quot;

Actually, I think you&#039;ll find that the sports section of the Tele is probably the most balanced part of the paper. The lack of credibility comes from employing tactics that would make conservative papers in the McCarthy era blush. 
I still remember their headline when David Hicks was captured: &quot;meet David Hicks, the young boy who would grow up to be A TRAITOR&quot; (above a photo of Hicks as a child). Their incredible contempt for journalism is clearly present in it&#039;s sport section, but it is by no means even close to being the worst part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keeper11,</p>
<p>&#8220;just highlighting the patheitic farce that is sydneys so-called major daily….home to a variety of fooball codes..<br />
and not -surprising that football and general sports followers see it with utter contempt and sub-zero credibility….&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I think you&#8217;ll find that the sports section of the Tele is probably the most balanced part of the paper. The lack of credibility comes from employing tactics that would make conservative papers in the McCarthy era blush.<br />
I still remember their headline when David Hicks was captured: &#8220;meet David Hicks, the young boy who would grow up to be A TRAITOR&#8221; (above a photo of Hicks as a child). Their incredible contempt for journalism is clearly present in it&#8217;s sport section, but it is by no means even close to being the worst part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Millster</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-4/#comment-166297</link>
		<dc:creator>Millster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again to Keeper 11 - to anyone east of about Strathfield, or who in general has an IQ over over 50 or so, the Tele is not the major daily. 

Most of my colleagues and friends would read the SMH and either or both of the Australian and the Fin Review as daily fodder. That is certainly my own starting point.

Our exposure to Tele stories is more likely to be when they are mixed into the News.Com website news that we might glance at throughout the day.

I&#039;m sure its the same in Melbourne with anyone with even a quarter of a brain preferencing the Age (and maybe one of the national papers) over the Herald.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again to Keeper 11 &#8211; to anyone east of about Strathfield, or who in general has an IQ over over 50 or so, the Tele is not the major daily. </p>
<p>Most of my colleagues and friends would read the SMH and either or both of the Australian and the Fin Review as daily fodder. That is certainly my own starting point.</p>
<p>Our exposure to Tele stories is more likely to be when they are mixed into the News.Com website news that we might glance at throughout the day.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure its the same in Melbourne with anyone with even a quarter of a brain preferencing the Age (and maybe one of the national papers) over the Herald.</p>
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		<title>By: Millster</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-4/#comment-166296</link>
		<dc:creator>Millster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Realfootball - in total agreement with you, and I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll agree back when I respond (as a foreign affairs / international business professional) that at least we&#039;re discussing about the prejudice and ignorance of such papers in relation to the relatively meaningless subject of sports.

Much as I love football I&#039;ll take a million attacks on it from such papers if those attacks are diverted from the crap they write about the really important things in the world.

Keeper11 - as others have said the Tele is not the voice of Sydney. In fact one of the great things about this city is its resistance to the very notion of having one voice (or one culture, or one football code, etc)

Viscount - I must admit your thought also crossed my mind. Much as we love football we also have to be realistic and expect that a share of our Socceroos will be prats. The environment, money, hype around any professional sporting person is never conducive to positive, humble behaviour. We can&#039;t let our pro-football stance make us mindless apologists for our favoured players; sometimes we simply can&#039;t avoid that a few of them will act like turkeys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realfootball &#8211; in total agreement with you, and I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll agree back when I respond (as a foreign affairs / international business professional) that at least we&#8217;re discussing about the prejudice and ignorance of such papers in relation to the relatively meaningless subject of sports.</p>
<p>Much as I love football I&#8217;ll take a million attacks on it from such papers if those attacks are diverted from the crap they write about the really important things in the world.</p>
<p>Keeper11 &#8211; as others have said the Tele is not the voice of Sydney. In fact one of the great things about this city is its resistance to the very notion of having one voice (or one culture, or one football code, etc)</p>
<p>Viscount &#8211; I must admit your thought also crossed my mind. Much as we love football we also have to be realistic and expect that a share of our Socceroos will be prats. The environment, money, hype around any professional sporting person is never conducive to positive, humble behaviour. We can&#8217;t let our pro-football stance make us mindless apologists for our favoured players; sometimes we simply can&#8217;t avoid that a few of them will act like turkeys.</p>
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		<title>By: keeper11</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-4/#comment-166295</link>
		<dc:creator>keeper11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Dan.. there is still a big difference.. For every headline/front page of negative spin there is probably x3 or 4 positive spins on the front page..

Just take a look at how much coverege RL gets in the DT.. It is amazing.. I reckon almost EVERY day there is a front page push weather its a story, or pushing calendars, cards, liftouts etc.. 

That is a big point you guys miss. &#039;


Today Friday..and surprise...league makes it on the front page of the DT ..again..

Someone correct me...but is that now 2 weeks STRAIGHT !! that  league has been front page in some  feelgood / promo/ &#039;footy card ad &#039; headline ??

have nothing against league..don&#039;t mind it either way..

just highlighting the patheitic farce that is sydneys so-called major daily....home to a variety of fooball codes..
and not -surprising that football and general sports followers see it with utter contempt and sub-zero credibility....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Dan.. there is still a big difference.. For every headline/front page of negative spin there is probably x3 or 4 positive spins on the front page..</p>
<p>Just take a look at how much coverege RL gets in the DT.. It is amazing.. I reckon almost EVERY day there is a front page push weather its a story, or pushing calendars, cards, liftouts etc.. </p>
<p>That is a big point you guys miss. &#8216;</p>
<p>Today Friday..and surprise&#8230;league makes it on the front page of the DT ..again..</p>
<p>Someone correct me&#8230;but is that now 2 weeks STRAIGHT !! that  league has been front page in some  feelgood / promo/ &#8216;footy card ad &#8216; headline ??</p>
<p>have nothing against league..don&#8217;t mind it either way..</p>
<p>just highlighting the patheitic farce that is sydneys so-called major daily&#8230;.home to a variety of fooball codes..<br />
and not -surprising that football and general sports followers see it with utter contempt and sub-zero credibility&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Munich</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-4/#comment-166294</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Munich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the national team has a few large egos that clash occasionally?  It doesn&#039;t surprise me an iota.  In any sporting team there&#039;s always going to be personality clashes (remember Kewell v Viduka?) and the chances of that are amplified when you have players from the unreal world of EPL. 

At this stage it&#039;s simply an overreaction to suggest that this is compromising our chances in South Africa, which remember is a number of dressing room clashes away yet!  There&#039;s simply no evidence that there has been, or is likely to be, any impact on playing performance.  

The Dutch national team of course has a long tradition of imploding along these lines just prior to (or during) major tournaments.  But even with our Oranje links, I think this concern is illusory at present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the national team has a few large egos that clash occasionally?  It doesn&#8217;t surprise me an iota.  In any sporting team there&#8217;s always going to be personality clashes (remember Kewell v Viduka?) and the chances of that are amplified when you have players from the unreal world of EPL. </p>
<p>At this stage it&#8217;s simply an overreaction to suggest that this is compromising our chances in South Africa, which remember is a number of dressing room clashes away yet!  There&#8217;s simply no evidence that there has been, or is likely to be, any impact on playing performance.  </p>
<p>The Dutch national team of course has a long tradition of imploding along these lines just prior to (or during) major tournaments.  But even with our Oranje links, I think this concern is illusory at present.</p>
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		<title>By: Realfootball</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-4/#comment-166287</link>
		<dc:creator>Realfootball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Millster, I&#039;m not angry with the daily tele - being a media professional myself, I understand they are playing to their audience.  My somewhat hyperbolic reference to them in terms of wildlife was just an observation of the content of the paper.  Sadly, the Daily Teles of the world remind us that civilisation is a thin veneer over intransigent ignorance and prejudice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Millster, I&#8217;m not angry with the daily tele &#8211; being a media professional myself, I understand they are playing to their audience.  My somewhat hyperbolic reference to them in terms of wildlife was just an observation of the content of the paper.  Sadly, the Daily Teles of the world remind us that civilisation is a thin veneer over intransigent ignorance and prejudice.</p>
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		<title>By: Viscount Crouchback</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-3/#comment-166279</link>
		<dc:creator>Viscount Crouchback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on, chaps, there is obviously truth in this story.

Lucas Neill, for instance, is infamous in London for his narcissism.  And Cahill has become very weird since he started getting hyped up.

You&#039;ve got to remember that most of these EPL footballers live on a completely different planet. In the England squad, most of them will rub along okay because they&#039;re all bonkers and no one knows any better. But I can well imagine that for some of the more normal, less famous players in the Socceroos squad, guys like Neill and Cahill must seem like the most arrogant men alive.

(And yes - the &quot;I&#039;m so desperate to give back to society&quot; schtick is always a sure sign of a rampant ego).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on, chaps, there is obviously truth in this story.</p>
<p>Lucas Neill, for instance, is infamous in London for his narcissism.  And Cahill has become very weird since he started getting hyped up.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got to remember that most of these EPL footballers live on a completely different planet. In the England squad, most of them will rub along okay because they&#8217;re all bonkers and no one knows any better. But I can well imagine that for some of the more normal, less famous players in the Socceroos squad, guys like Neill and Cahill must seem like the most arrogant men alive.</p>
<p>(And yes &#8211; the &#8220;I&#8217;m so desperate to give back to society&#8221; schtick is always a sure sign of a rampant ego).</p>
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		<title>By: TammyS</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-3/#comment-166277</link>
		<dc:creator>TammyS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me or does every single sport in the world think that the DT is out to get them? AFL, NRL,Soccer, all think they&#039;re hard done by by them.

At the end of the day, they are a paper that have no real ethics and just print stories TO SELL NEWSPAPERS OR GET PEOPLE TALKING. If that means exaggerating certain off-field scandals by footballers then that is what they will do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or does every single sport in the world think that the DT is out to get them? AFL, NRL,Soccer, all think they&#8217;re hard done by by them.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, they are a paper that have no real ethics and just print stories TO SELL NEWSPAPERS OR GET PEOPLE TALKING. If that means exaggerating certain off-field scandals by footballers then that is what they will do.</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewM</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-3/#comment-166264</link>
		<dc:creator>AndrewM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you can liken it to an old boys club.. The DT has been a RL domain for years. So naturally most of the journalists which are hired are avid RL fans. 

So by having this massive RL culture it is very easy to gang up on other sports knowing that you are the number 1 paper in the country, it is quite a powerful form  of propaganda, no?

This might not be foxtel&#039;s views or news limiteds, but it is definately something from within the DT itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you can liken it to an old boys club.. The DT has been a RL domain for years. So naturally most of the journalists which are hired are avid RL fans. </p>
<p>So by having this massive RL culture it is very easy to gang up on other sports knowing that you are the number 1 paper in the country, it is quite a powerful form  of propaganda, no?</p>
<p>This might not be foxtel&#8217;s views or news limiteds, but it is definately something from within the DT itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/26/whos-derailing-the-socceroos-express/comment-page-3/#comment-166258</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AndrewM,

I personally don&#039;t really read the Tele, and haven&#039;t for a while, so it&#039;s hard for me to know if they really go about trying to clear the names of players after vilifying them in RL, but I guess it wouldn&#039;t be surprising. What I find hard to understand though, is why the Telegraph would honestly have an agenda against soccer, when you&#039;d think it&#039;s business interests should dictate it supports the A-League and the Super 14 (given that Fox more or less owns both of them - much more so than the NRL). In reality it should be pumping them all up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AndrewM,</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t really read the Tele, and haven&#8217;t for a while, so it&#8217;s hard for me to know if they really go about trying to clear the names of players after vilifying them in RL, but I guess it wouldn&#8217;t be surprising. What I find hard to understand though, is why the Telegraph would honestly have an agenda against soccer, when you&#8217;d think it&#8217;s business interests should dictate it supports the A-League and the Super 14 (given that Fox more or less owns both of them &#8211; much more so than the NRL). In reality it should be pumping them all up&#8230;</p>
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