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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-2/#comment-169086</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Branko Culina takes over as Jets football manager

http://www.theworldgame.com.au/a-league/culina-takes-charge-of-jets-200251

Jets threatening to sue GVE for breach of contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Branko Culina takes over as Jets football manager</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theworldgame.com.au/a-league/culina-takes-charge-of-jets-200251" rel="nofollow">http://www.theworldgame.com.au/a-league/culina-takes-charge-of-jets-200251</a></p>
<p>Jets threatening to sue GVE for breach of contract.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bear</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-2/#comment-167644</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Jets knew he was being considered for the AIS job. So where is the &quot;shock&quot; coming from??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jets knew he was being considered for the AIS job. So where is the &#8220;shock&#8221; coming from??</p>
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		<title>By: David V.</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-2/#comment-167584</link>
		<dc:creator>David V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Middlesbrough and Norwich comparisons are even more accurate now.

John Neal quit Middlesbrough in 1981 after Craig Johnston, Mark Proctor and Dave Armstrong were all sold by Charlie Amer- and the club were in the Third Divison and almost dead five years later. Luckily the club was saved and reborn, and made a rapid rise back up the ranks.

Of course, Norwich&#039;s decline from 3rd in the Premiership and a European run to relegation in less than two years was frighteningly similar. In fact, it&#039;s even more acute now that the Canaries are in the third tier for the first time in half a century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Middlesbrough and Norwich comparisons are even more accurate now.</p>
<p>John Neal quit Middlesbrough in 1981 after Craig Johnston, Mark Proctor and Dave Armstrong were all sold by Charlie Amer- and the club were in the Third Divison and almost dead five years later. Luckily the club was saved and reborn, and made a rapid rise back up the ranks.</p>
<p>Of course, Norwich&#8217;s decline from 3rd in the Premiership and a European run to relegation in less than two years was frighteningly similar. In fact, it&#8217;s even more acute now that the Canaries are in the third tier for the first time in half a century.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-2/#comment-167564</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think GVE was starting to feel the pressure and certainly didn&#039;t look comfortable when things weren&#039;t going well.
The fact that he&#039;s going back to junior level coaching supports that notion.

But Con and the NJ management team can take some of that blame. 
They didn’t give GVE all the support he needed to stay competitive in the A-League and Con turning on the Jets fans when they sold their best players was totally inexcusable as well. The fans are what makes a club, as much as the players.

NJ need a change and maybe a new coach might be what they need, just like when GVE took over and turned the club around so well – not sure if Branko is the man, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think GVE was starting to feel the pressure and certainly didn&#8217;t look comfortable when things weren&#8217;t going well.<br />
The fact that he&#8217;s going back to junior level coaching supports that notion.</p>
<p>But Con and the NJ management team can take some of that blame.<br />
They didn’t give GVE all the support he needed to stay competitive in the A-League and Con turning on the Jets fans when they sold their best players was totally inexcusable as well. The fans are what makes a club, as much as the players.</p>
<p>NJ need a change and maybe a new coach might be what they need, just like when GVE took over and turned the club around so well – not sure if Branko is the man, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Slippery Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-2/#comment-167408</link>
		<dc:creator>Slippery Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David V, excellent point, Hoddle really provided the turning point for Chelsea&#039;s current success. Unlike Manchester City&#039;s impending clamber up the table, Chelsea were slowly climbing up the table since Hoddle prior to being bought by Abramovich, a fact many detractors of the mighty Blues are ignorant of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David V, excellent point, Hoddle really provided the turning point for Chelsea&#8217;s current success. Unlike Manchester City&#8217;s impending clamber up the table, Chelsea were slowly climbing up the table since Hoddle prior to being bought by Abramovich, a fact many detractors of the mighty Blues are ignorant of.</p>
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		<title>By: David V.</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-2/#comment-167383</link>
		<dc:creator>David V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can see now that Glenn Hoddle runs his own football academy in Spain, having stepped aside from management. His man management was often criticised throughout his career, but this can be easily explained like this. Great players like Hoddle were born and not coached to do what they did, so they cannot explain things that come to them naturally. But such people are far better suited to teaching kids than managing highly-paid adults.

This didn&#039;t make him a bad manager. He won promotion with Swindon, laid the foundations for future success with Chelsea, and had some bad luck in charge of England- and was hounded out for non-football reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can see now that Glenn Hoddle runs his own football academy in Spain, having stepped aside from management. His man management was often criticised throughout his career, but this can be easily explained like this. Great players like Hoddle were born and not coached to do what they did, so they cannot explain things that come to them naturally. But such people are far better suited to teaching kids than managing highly-paid adults.</p>
<p>This didn&#8217;t make him a bad manager. He won promotion with Swindon, laid the foundations for future success with Chelsea, and had some bad luck in charge of England- and was hounded out for non-football reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-2/#comment-167334</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with David V on the pulling of Pinto against Adelaide, and what transpired post match. Australia has a good crop of U/17s. Let&#039;s hope the ethicacy/principles of the AIS are taught to GvE before he starts working with the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with David V on the pulling of Pinto against Adelaide, and what transpired post match. Australia has a good crop of U/17s. Let&#8217;s hope the ethicacy/principles of the AIS are taught to GvE before he starts working with the team.</p>
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		<title>By: whiskeymac</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-2/#comment-167318</link>
		<dc:creator>whiskeymac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;d hope that he will bring all of his good managerial skills and leave his rather average people skills behind when in charge of the &#039;Stralian youth teams. that sort of crap cld derail a career before it starts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;d hope that he will bring all of his good managerial skills and leave his rather average people skills behind when in charge of the &#8216;Stralian youth teams. that sort of crap cld derail a career before it starts.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-2/#comment-167313</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed David V - that really was unforgiveable, such a public humiliation (when I don&#039;t really think the kid did all that much wrong, from what I can remember) - it really showed just how far things had swung for GVE in an extremely short space of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed David V &#8211; that really was unforgiveable, such a public humiliation (when I don&#8217;t really think the kid did all that much wrong, from what I can remember) &#8211; it really showed just how far things had swung for GVE in an extremely short space of time.</p>
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		<title>By: David V.</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-2/#comment-167298</link>
		<dc:creator>David V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His slagging of Jesse Pinto was particularly disgusting. What a way to wreck a young player&#039;s career!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His slagging of Jesse Pinto was particularly disgusting. What a way to wreck a young player&#8217;s career!</p>
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		<title>By: whiskeymac</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-1/#comment-167297</link>
		<dc:creator>whiskeymac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>werent they reported to be in talks with one o/seas manager and there s talk the assitant might take over?
Wld be good to see Branko get another gig. If not here then maybe the CCM (before the ink drys on GA&#039;s signature)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>werent they reported to be in talks with one o/seas manager and there s talk the assitant might take over?<br />
Wld be good to see Branko get another gig. If not here then maybe the CCM (before the ink drys on GA&#8217;s signature)?</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-1/#comment-167293</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Towser,
Branko is caretaker coach till they find a replacement.
I guess it depends on who applies for the job and what offers they make to any overseas coaches.

Branko is in the job currently and probably they will see how he goes before making a decision, but not sure who the alternatives are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Towser,<br />
Branko is caretaker coach till they find a replacement.<br />
I guess it depends on who applies for the job and what offers they make to any overseas coaches.</p>
<p>Branko is in the job currently and probably they will see how he goes before making a decision, but not sure who the alternatives are.</p>
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		<title>By: Towser</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-1/#comment-167275</link>
		<dc:creator>Towser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So will Branko take over ?
Wasnt given much time at Sydney really to make his mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So will Branko take over ?<br />
Wasnt given much time at Sydney really to make his mark.</p>
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		<title>By: whiskeymac</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-1/#comment-167266</link>
		<dc:creator>whiskeymac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If one of Australia’s brightest stars can be coaxed into joining the public service&quot; - a sideways move, the jets were going nowhere and it probably seemed like GVE was going nowhere with them. after a good start it all went very badly pear shaped. The FFA job is steady and well paid and hopefully will give him contacts to move on from when he needs to. He has shafted NJ i guess, but then again what club doesnt shaft their manager eventually? (MV it seems but wasnt that a close run thing?)

And as was commented in  SBS article, he never dealt with the lows in his career very well. i thought his handling of certain players was always out of line - he was never slow to blame his squad or a particular individual publicly. am thinking of patafta in particular, but others have also been deried in the press and the blame hung on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If one of Australia’s brightest stars can be coaxed into joining the public service&#8221; &#8211; a sideways move, the jets were going nowhere and it probably seemed like GVE was going nowhere with them. after a good start it all went very badly pear shaped. The FFA job is steady and well paid and hopefully will give him contacts to move on from when he needs to. He has shafted NJ i guess, but then again what club doesnt shaft their manager eventually? (MV it seems but wasnt that a close run thing?)</p>
<p>And as was commented in  SBS article, he never dealt with the lows in his career very well. i thought his handling of certain players was always out of line &#8211; he was never slow to blame his squad or a particular individual publicly. am thinking of patafta in particular, but others have also been deried in the press and the blame hung on them.</p>
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		<title>By: David V.</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-1/#comment-167265</link>
		<dc:creator>David V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In V2 he did a magnificent job of getting the team to within a game of the Grand Final and played the best football seen in the A-League thus far.

Then he lost Carle and Rodriguez. They went on to win the league, but it was a fortunate win in a very poor quality competition.

Last season, with further asset stripping taking place, the bottom just fell out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In V2 he did a magnificent job of getting the team to within a game of the Grand Final and played the best football seen in the A-League thus far.</p>
<p>Then he lost Carle and Rodriguez. They went on to win the league, but it was a fortunate win in a very poor quality competition.</p>
<p>Last season, with further asset stripping taking place, the bottom just fell out.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-1/#comment-167263</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question Pip,
I too was surprised at how much an U17 coach gets paid and that’s why I mentioned it.

How much do A-league managers get paid?

Vitezlav Lavicka was only paid $225K to leave Prague for Sydney FC, so maybe good foreign coaches are not that expensive compared to A-League coaches, especially from Eastern Europe.
Compared to Litbarski’s 800K a year, what a bargain that will turn out to be when Lavicka lifts the GTS with the SFC lads next March.


Mick,
I agree that GVE did a great job to get the Jets their first title and good luck to him whatever he chooses to do. Most coaches would have done the same thing if they were in his shoes.

Creates an interesting set of rivalries for Branko Culina if he gets the Jets managerial job.  Playing against SFC his old club and playing against his son Jason, when they take on Sin City.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question Pip,<br />
I too was surprised at how much an U17 coach gets paid and that’s why I mentioned it.</p>
<p>How much do A-league managers get paid?</p>
<p>Vitezlav Lavicka was only paid $225K to leave Prague for Sydney FC, so maybe good foreign coaches are not that expensive compared to A-League coaches, especially from Eastern Europe.<br />
Compared to Litbarski’s 800K a year, what a bargain that will turn out to be when Lavicka lifts the GTS with the SFC lads next March.</p>
<p>Mick,<br />
I agree that GVE did a great job to get the Jets their first title and good luck to him whatever he chooses to do. Most coaches would have done the same thing if they were in his shoes.</p>
<p>Creates an interesting set of rivalries for Branko Culina if he gets the Jets managerial job.  Playing against SFC his old club and playing against his son Jason, when they take on Sin City.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimbo&#039;s article strikes a fair balance on GVE&#039;s shortish rollercoaster ride at the helm of Newcastle FC. Yes, he leaves on a red faced low (0-6), however his team got out of the group, and he tasted the ultimate A League success after turning around a rotten start upon his promotion to head coach. However, the &quot;public service&quot; position seems like a backward step to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimbo&#8217;s article strikes a fair balance on GVE&#8217;s shortish rollercoaster ride at the helm of Newcastle FC. Yes, he leaves on a red faced low (0-6), however his team got out of the group, and he tasted the ultimate A League success after turning around a rotten start upon his promotion to head coach. However, the &#8220;public service&#8221; position seems like a backward step to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick of Newie</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-1/#comment-167205</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick of Newie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I say I was surprised but not surprised.  What interests me is whether it is a step forward for GVE, a step sideways or a step backwards.

It is no argument that he has more job security as head coach of the AIS than a 4 year deal with Con.

I could argue it is a career step backwards.  His club coaching CV is now too short to be used at some stage to advance for higher coaching honours.  

Alternatively is embedding himself into the National Coaching structure a career development.

I would argue it is a step sideways, it appears he wanted to get out of the Jets and the struggles that involves and this job gave him the job security and opportunities he deserves.

As a Jets fan, I say good luck to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I say I was surprised but not surprised.  What interests me is whether it is a step forward for GVE, a step sideways or a step backwards.</p>
<p>It is no argument that he has more job security as head coach of the AIS than a 4 year deal with Con.</p>
<p>I could argue it is a career step backwards.  His club coaching CV is now too short to be used at some stage to advance for higher coaching honours.  </p>
<p>Alternatively is embedding himself into the National Coaching structure a career development.</p>
<p>I would argue it is a step sideways, it appears he wanted to get out of the Jets and the struggles that involves and this job gave him the job security and opportunities he deserves.</p>
<p>As a Jets fan, I say good luck to him.</p>
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		<title>By: David V.</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/06/29/van-egmond-bows-out-of-the-a-league/comment-page-1/#comment-167202</link>
		<dc:creator>David V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it any surprise given the impossible conditions up there? GVE however has to take some of the blame for his inflexibility and poor man-management.

It also indicates the necessity of a coaching revolution in Australia, given the poor quality of coaching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it any surprise given the impossible conditions up there? GVE however has to take some of the blame for his inflexibility and poor man-management.</p>
<p>It also indicates the necessity of a coaching revolution in Australia, given the poor quality of coaching.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only heard about it this morning.  It came as a surprise, but on further reflection, perhaps it isn&#039;t, and you&#039;ve already mentioned what has probably been strained relations with the Owner and Board.

Here is a question for everyone.

Would a $200,000 public service job be more lucrative than being a coach of an A-League team?

It&#039;s an important question.

If one of Australia&#039;s brightest stars can be coaxed into joining the public service, then clearly, all this talk about attracting good foreign coaches etc is nothing but hot air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only heard about it this morning.  It came as a surprise, but on further reflection, perhaps it isn&#8217;t, and you&#8217;ve already mentioned what has probably been strained relations with the Owner and Board.</p>
<p>Here is a question for everyone.</p>
<p>Would a $200,000 public service job be more lucrative than being a coach of an A-League team?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an important question.</p>
<p>If one of Australia&#8217;s brightest stars can be coaxed into joining the public service, then clearly, all this talk about attracting good foreign coaches etc is nothing but hot air.</p>
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