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		<title>By: Knives Out</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knives Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t a try so called because it allowed a kick at goal, i.e. to try and kick for goal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t a try so called because it allowed a kick at goal, i.e. to try and kick for goal?</p>
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		<title>By: Bay35Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bay35Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WWE already has the RWC named after him, so fictional or not doesn&#039;t he have enough gongs?

The concept isn&#039;t bad, but would lead to such bitter arguments whoever was named would never be agreed with by someone.

Whoever it might be named after, my vote is for the ABs. While the Boks have been a great team at times, for me the ABs have been the bench mark for much of the time, and cause fear in some opponents - for all the right reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WWE already has the RWC named after him, so fictional or not doesn&#8217;t he have enough gongs?</p>
<p>The concept isn&#8217;t bad, but would lead to such bitter arguments whoever was named would never be agreed with by someone.</p>
<p>Whoever it might be named after, my vote is for the ABs. While the Boks have been a great team at times, for me the ABs have been the bench mark for much of the time, and cause fear in some opponents &#8211; for all the right reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: The Answer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Answer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are a few more facts about the Webb Ellis myth.

1. At that time, in football who were allowed to pick the ball up and run with it, therefore it would have hardly been a revolutionary gesture.

2. The stories about Webb Ellis only started doing the rounds after his death.

It certainly seems to be a croc but it at least it always gives Buddha Handy and Gordon Bray something to chuckle about during a quiet moment at the World Cup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are a few more facts about the Webb Ellis myth.</p>
<p>1. At that time, in football who were allowed to pick the ball up and run with it, therefore it would have hardly been a revolutionary gesture.</p>
<p>2. The stories about Webb Ellis only started doing the rounds after his death.</p>
<p>It certainly seems to be a croc but it at least it always gives Buddha Handy and Gordon Bray something to chuckle about during a quiet moment at the World Cup.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Noble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea Greg at last some sense, spoilt by always the blinkered approach from a Boks perspective. If rugby had been started elsewhere, it might be Wagga Wagga, Leeds, Nether Wallop, Alice Springs the mind boggles. Somebody has suggested China, the Great Wall, Shanghai. Sorry guys Rugby it is and it was the IRB who decided on the name for the RWC cup not just the UK. Thank god somebody invented the game and gave it structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea Greg at last some sense, spoilt by always the blinkered approach from a Boks perspective. If rugby had been started elsewhere, it might be Wagga Wagga, Leeds, Nether Wallop, Alice Springs the mind boggles. Somebody has suggested China, the Great Wall, Shanghai. Sorry guys Rugby it is and it was the IRB who decided on the name for the RWC cup not just the UK. Thank god somebody invented the game and gave it structure.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl SA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl SA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well the ultimate prize in Rugby next to the Bledisloe Cup in my opinion.&quot;

*ahem* ... and a Lions test series victory. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well the ultimate prize in Rugby next to the Bledisloe Cup in my opinion.&#8221;</p>
<p>*ahem* &#8230; and a Lions test series victory. <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: sheek</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys,

I don&#039;t mind the mirth &amp; quirkiness, not at all. I just don&#039;t think something as important as the RWC ought to be named after WWE, or a myth. But I can also live with it. I&#039;m not going to make a big deal of this.

Of course, after Australia &amp; NZ pushed to create the RWC, the Brits decided to reclaim control by using WWE&#039;s name on the Cup. And the antipodeans got one back by calling the thing &quot;Bill&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind the mirth &amp; quirkiness, not at all. I just don&#8217;t think something as important as the RWC ought to be named after WWE, or a myth. But I can also live with it. I&#8217;m not going to make a big deal of this.</p>
<p>Of course, after Australia &amp; NZ pushed to create the RWC, the Brits decided to reclaim control by using WWE&#8217;s name on the Cup. And the antipodeans got one back by calling the thing &#8220;Bill&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, 2023 is an unparalleled opportunity in terms of review, goal setting, promotion &amp; expansion of rugby.

Making 2023 a multi-year countdown, rather than a one-off event would be hugely beneficial.

2023 could be stretched from now until well after 2023 in terms of build up and post bi-centennial celebration.

Start the clock !  Organise the global retro tournaments, the global legends games, the global exhibition games in New York, Sao Paulo, Iceland and such and such ...

It would be a great pity if 2023 was minimalistic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, 2023 is an unparalleled opportunity in terms of review, goal setting, promotion &amp; expansion of rugby.</p>
<p>Making 2023 a multi-year countdown, rather than a one-off event would be hugely beneficial.</p>
<p>2023 could be stretched from now until well after 2023 in terms of build up and post bi-centennial celebration.</p>
<p>Start the clock !  Organise the global retro tournaments, the global legends games, the global exhibition games in New York, Sao Paulo, Iceland and such and such &#8230;</p>
<p>It would be a great pity if 2023 was minimalistic</p>
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		<title>By: Working Class Rugger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Working Class Rugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheek

I doubt anyone in Rugby truly believes that the game was spontaneously created by a cheeky schoolboys in 1823. By its a great piece of Rugby folklore. I personally love the fact that the William Webb Ellis Cup is the ultimate prize in rugby. Well the ultimate prize in Rugby next to the Bledisloe Cup in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheek</p>
<p>I doubt anyone in Rugby truly believes that the game was spontaneously created by a cheeky schoolboys in 1823. By its a great piece of Rugby folklore. I personally love the fact that the William Webb Ellis Cup is the ultimate prize in rugby. Well the ultimate prize in Rugby next to the Bledisloe Cup in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sheek you miss the point.

It doesn&#039;t matter if William Web Ellis is real or not. Personally I believe there may be a grain of truth to the story but of course its riduculous that it would be the impetus for the birth of rugby as a new sport. But its a quirky story, a little bit eccentric, and a lot of myth, but there&#039;s no sin in embracing one of the game&#039;s quirks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sheek you miss the point.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if William Web Ellis is real or not. Personally I believe there may be a grain of truth to the story but of course its riduculous that it would be the impetus for the birth of rugby as a new sport. But its a quirky story, a little bit eccentric, and a lot of myth, but there&#8217;s no sin in embracing one of the game&#8217;s quirks.</p>
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		<title>By: sheek</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if this is a serious post, or not. In any case, I&#039;ll play &#039;devil&#039;s advocate&#039; &amp; suggest nothing serious should ever be named after William Webb Ellis.

I think the joke&#039;s on rugby union that they have even been suckered enough to name their most valuable &amp; prestigious sporting trophy after a person around whom there is extreme doubt he ever did anything of the sort attributed to him.

Anyway, beyond that, I remain sceptical of the seriousness of this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if this is a serious post, or not. In any case, I&#8217;ll play &#8216;devil&#8217;s advocate&#8217; &amp; suggest nothing serious should ever be named after William Webb Ellis.</p>
<p>I think the joke&#8217;s on rugby union that they have even been suckered enough to name their most valuable &amp; prestigious sporting trophy after a person around whom there is extreme doubt he ever did anything of the sort attributed to him.</p>
<p>Anyway, beyond that, I remain sceptical of the seriousness of this post.</p>
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		<title>By: katzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>katzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;I’d prefer the appearance of impartiality. 

My pick? South Africa - Best Team, William Webb Ellis Team, and Most Rugby World Cups (4).&#039;

Greg stop it please. Be still my aching sides.....:D

Still even though this has merely been a vehicle for your Bok fluffing a celebration will do doubt take place to commemorate 200 years of the game we love. I doubt any official titles will be given out to say &#039;Who the best team of the last 200 years is&#039;

Gary - So you think that 2009s best team will decided at Subiaco Oval? Early season form certainly says so........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;I’d prefer the appearance of impartiality. </p>
<p>My pick? South Africa &#8211; Best Team, William Webb Ellis Team, and Most Rugby World Cups (4).&#8217;</p>
<p>Greg stop it please. Be still my aching sides&#8230;..:D</p>
<p>Still even though this has merely been a vehicle for your Bok fluffing a celebration will do doubt take place to commemorate 200 years of the game we love. I doubt any official titles will be given out to say &#8216;Who the best team of the last 200 years is&#8217;</p>
<p>Gary &#8211; So you think that 2009s best team will decided at Subiaco Oval? Early season form certainly says so&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great idea Greg has. Who caes if the Ellis legend is fact or just a deeply held myth. It is a date everyone can agree on. Perhaps the team should be the fairest and best 22 players from any country in the last 200 years.

We&#039;ll see the Boks at Subiaco in August and see then who is the best team in 2009. Subi  is perhaps the fairest of all the teste venus. Altitude is not a factor and both sides will have significant crowd support as there will be as many South Africans there as Aussies.

BTW Spiro, much as I hope to enjoy life for a long while yet I doubt any of us will be around in 2123!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great idea Greg has. Who caes if the Ellis legend is fact or just a deeply held myth. It is a date everyone can agree on. Perhaps the team should be the fairest and best 22 players from any country in the last 200 years.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see the Boks at Subiaco in August and see then who is the best team in 2009. Subi  is perhaps the fairest of all the teste venus. Altitude is not a factor and both sides will have significant crowd support as there will be as many South Africans there as Aussies.</p>
<p>BTW Spiro, much as I hope to enjoy life for a long while yet I doubt any of us will be around in 2123!</p>
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		<title>By: pothale</title>
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		<dc:creator>pothale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh Spiro

If we&#039;re all around in 2123, I&#039;ll be celebrating my 160 somethingth birthday along with recognising 300 years of rugby as Ireland take the World Cup for the 6th time in a row, with Brian O&#039;Driscoll&#039;s great-grandson, Brian Junior, Junior leading out the team.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh Spiro</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re all around in 2123, I&#8217;ll be celebrating my 160 somethingth birthday along with recognising 300 years of rugby as Ireland take the World Cup for the 6th time in a row, with Brian O&#8217;Driscoll&#8217;s great-grandson, Brian Junior, Junior leading out the team.</p>
<p> <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Spiro Zavos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spiro Zavos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to note in my previous comment that 2123 is a Rugby World Cup year that must be the centre piece of the celebrations of 200 years of the game (in myth at least).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to note in my previous comment that 2123 is a Rugby World Cup year that must be the centre piece of the celebrations of 200 years of the game (in myth at least).</p>
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		<title>By: Spiro Zavos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spiro Zavos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a terrific concept, except for the last bit. In 1923 a special commemoration match was played at Rugby School. I believe Greg&#039;s concept of a worldwide, deep celebration of the iconic year is a great idea. There is a great deal of evidence that William Webb Ellis did not run with the ball in 1823. This is one of the beautiful myths of sport that has been embraced by the IRB (with the World Cup being named after him). It&#039;s the context of the myth, the fact that rugby is historically a running/handling game that is im;portant. And a tremendous celebration in 2123 (hopefully we&#039;ll all be around to enjoy it) is exciting and worth developing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a terrific concept, except for the last bit. In 1923 a special commemoration match was played at Rugby School. I believe Greg&#8217;s concept of a worldwide, deep celebration of the iconic year is a great idea. There is a great deal of evidence that William Webb Ellis did not run with the ball in 1823. This is one of the beautiful myths of sport that has been embraced by the IRB (with the World Cup being named after him). It&#8217;s the context of the myth, the fact that rugby is historically a running/handling game that is im;portant. And a tremendous celebration in 2123 (hopefully we&#8217;ll all be around to enjoy it) is exciting and worth developing.</p>
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