Comments on: Swine flu keeps Minniecon grounded – for now

By: Andrew

Andrew — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:54:22 +0000

Next time Miron and Clive get vocal about some issue in order to raise publicity I would like someone to quiz them about what type of football club they are building.

According to people on 442 tickets to the preseason match witht he mariners were A$ 30 and the crowd was only 1,500.

So for all the great buzz they generated putting their team together there coming a distant second to fury when it comes to engaging the community.
Fury got 5000 to their fans day and have very affordable tickets….. Gold Coast seem to be going for a totaly different market.

By: burgerman

burgerman — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:38:35 +0000

hey clint, totally agree with you about the first five games, they really should have thought about giving you a better spread of home games initially, to try to build up the habit of going to support your team. However I don’t agree that minnecon should be held back on his national service. It is in the agreement which the club signed in order to become a part of the A league and they know this. Miron has come out today to say he never meant to disobey this request, so why did he get so vocal? I think he is just stirring, and he is doing this knowing that any publicity is good for his team, as well as starting to create a siege mentality, GCU V the rest. Poor us, look how badly we are treated and thus by extension, look at how well others are treated. Good idea Miron, but I prefer the lower key behaviour of other coaches.

By: jimbo

jimbo — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:37:10 +0000

Owusu must be pretty sick, Vidmar is resigned to being without him for 6 weeks and he will miss the first couple of games of this season.
Shame, becuase he is a very good striker.

By: Gold Coast Clint

Gold Coast Clint — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:58:42 +0000

I’m going to go out on a limb here and be the only one to support Miron.

I’m from the Gold Coast and am really looking forward to getting A-league games up here, unfortunately despite all the Gold Coast headlines on football websites it is really going to be touch and go whether or not this team succeeds up here. Most people here love the Titans but GC United needs to have a strong start to the season before people will start jumping on the GCU bandwagon. The last thing we need is to have our team seperated just before the most important game of the season. It was bad enough that we didn’t get a home game for our first game, now if we lose to the roar the we will lose momentum in winning over Gold Coast punters.

It’s in the FFA’s interests that we do well. We need to take a leaf out of the AFL’s book who are giving draft concessions to their new teams to make sure they win. What are the FFA doing to help the new GC team? An away fixture for the first round, 4 of the first 5 games are away from home and now we are going to lose a crucial player in the lead up to a really important game.

I’m going to do my best to drag non-football players along to games this season, A bit of help from the FFA wouldn’t go astray

By: melbvictory87

melbvictory87 — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:52:31 +0000

not good, he is a very bright young talent for australia. country should take precedence, i agree with the ffa that these tournaments are once in a lifetime opportunities for our boys and this crop is far better than our olyroos team (which for some stupid reason excluded our most succesful of that bunch ie. djite, burns, vidosic for noooooooooo known reason). country for sure, we need to know how our young bloods stack up against the worlds youth

By: chook

chook — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:33:14 +0000

Who run football in this country the club or the FFA?

I watch with interest.

By: Ben of Phnom Penh

Ben of Phnom Penh — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:23:56 +0000

You are correct, Whiskeymac, that the competition exists due to the overall business model the FFA runs, the national sides of which play a dominant role. Hence not releasing players for national duty undermines the model which in turn undermines the clubs. Perhaps it should be a part of the A-League license though there may be FIFA provisions which preclude this.

By: GeneralAshnak

GeneralAshnak — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:20:16 +0000

Mullen was actually injured and was given a leave pass, AUFC didn’t just say: “He isn’t going”, afterall AUFC have not actually stopped a single player who wanted to leave from leaving ora single one from playing for their country. I do totally agree that country needs to take precedence over club (and it is good to have you back writing these sorts of articles Jesse). I really never want to see the day that HAL clubs start trying to actively prevent their players being part of the national setup (though why they would want the bad press and lack of prestege is beyond me…).

By: Mackey

Mackey — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:14:50 +0000

Jesse I am positive that I read an article yesterday where Ben Buckley stated that even though the tournament falls outside fo a FIFA date, A-League clubs have signed agreements stating they must release players for NT team duty unless there is a very, very good reason.

By: Kazama

Kazama — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:14:52 +0000

Agree with the article Jesse – surely the national team, regardless of age group, must come before everything else. Not the first time though an A-League coach has tried to put their own interests above that of the nation’s: http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/92681,okon-lashes-kossie-over-kofi.aspx

whiskeymac – Hopefully Owusu will get on the park sooner rather than later as we haven’t had much luck with strikers – e.g. Qu and Aggo both stuggling to be fit during their spells here. However I am happy that his absence will allow young Francesco Monterosso to get an opportuniy to show what he can do on a bigger stage after winning the NYL’s golden boot last season.

By: Pippinu

Pippinu — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:09:31 +0000

Now that we have the luxury of our first ever billionaire owned club (who appears to know bugger all about football) – expect this issue to hot up even more in the future.

In all human endeavour, from all around the world, the rich and powerful always manage to get themselves excused from such unpleasant details as rules and regulations.

By: whiskeymac

whiskeymac — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:58:12 +0000

jimbo – cheers. that wasnt reported in the same SMH article and certainly sheds light on why he will be off for so long compared to others. A bit stupid to be playing so soon after getting influenza IMO( i honestly cant see how its good for anyone to be playing within 2 weeks of catching influenza as you need the rest and proverbial chicken soup to recover properly). Am still hoping Owusu will provide some goals for the pissants though.

By: Rob

Rob — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:37:29 +0000

Hey Jesse,
Heh! When I read that Minneicon had swine flu I started to laugh. I figured it was just a bit of Bleiberg BS to stall the FFA. He’s a loose canon, is our Miron, always has been. He spouted so much rubbish when he was coach of the Roar, and now he’s got an Iron Ore Magnate in his corner he’s coming out with more and more of it. This bollocks is just the latest in a long line of crap that has dribbled out his mouth since taking over down on the “glitter strip”. I bet Taj has a case of the sniffles rather than the flu that makes you go “Oink”.
The whinge about fixtures was absurd too but what would you expect from Miron? And the hubris about their victory against Fulham’s reserves in the second half? (this mainly from the fans, I hasten to add) Goodness gracious. You would have thought they had won the Club World Cup or something!
Gold Coast United has indeed succeeded in getting under my skin, if that was their intention. I am looking forward to August 8 when I and the rest of the Roar fans can laugh at them as they get spanked by our boys!

By: jimbo

jimbo — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:34:08 +0000

whiskeymac,
Owusu has complications – he has pneumonia from playing on while he had swine flu instead of resting – so he will take a lot longer to recover.

I remember the Leeds days when Harry always seemed to be injured when he got a call up for the Socceroos and made a remarkable recovery to play for Leeds a few days later. How times have changed and how some football credibility and a WC goal at the end of it all changes the situation for some people.

By: burgerman

burgerman — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:27:51 +0000

I read yesterday that Ben Buckley had stated that it is in the licensing agreement that each team signs that players must be released for national duty.

see here:http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/coast-ffa-on-collision-course-over-tahj/2009/07/15/1247337169351.html

so there is really no option for clubs, which is the way it should be. Blieberg just seems to like to make a fuss about things. Like the riders in the tour de france making a fuss about their radios when they know that they can’t affect teh outcome

By: whiskeymac

whiskeymac — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:25:17 +0000

Like you Jesse i think NT must take precedence. It’s where the game gets its $ from in Oz, and where most people are most passionate. even for Tahj you’d think its better for his future/ exposure to be playing well in Buenos Aries than playing one or two GCU games.

G14 and euroclubs get away with it (to the detriment of the game) but I think the HAL clubs will, at least in the next decade or so, be so reliant on the FFA that they will have to tow the NT line. They don’t have the resources or stability or clout to force down the FFA (and rightly so) over such an issue and the only outcome they will get is what Miron has got, some media noise for the benefit of shareholders and possible excuses for their team’s performance.

By: Jesse Fink

Jesse Fink — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:11:50 +0000

Yeah, I saw that report after my blog was filed yesterday, Whiskeymac. Seems like a good outcome. You’re right – even with Minniecon on a plane to Argentina, the big issue is what takes precedence, club or country, and in my view it is always country. I thought Bleiberg’s quote in the SMH report was infuriating. “We knew from day one we would have to honour Tahj’s call-up.” Bollocks, Miron. Clearly his and Clive Palmer’s nuts were squeezed a little harder and so they gave up Tahj.

By: Finno

Finno — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:05:21 +0000

Football in Australia need to be very careful with this. Socceroos / young Socceroo success directly impacts on the success of the A- League in crowd numbers, media coverage and overall development.

But on the other hand Taj playing for the young Socceroos may actually help his game.

I understand GCU spend $$ on Taj and want the best out of him, so the tight rope of country v club has to be walked.

If you let the club beat the drum to the Socceroos the only way is down for the Socceroos and flow on effect is down for the A- League

By: whiskeymac

whiskeymac — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:27:09 +0000

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/tahjs-callup-now-in-doctors-hands/2009/07/16/1247337216924.html

“Whether he is named in the Young Socceroos squad due to be announced today will depend on a ruling by FFA’s medical boss Dr Jeff Steinweg, who will seek to clarify Minniecon’s condition.”
The article gave the impression that Blieberg had backed down.
I also note in the article that Owusu (Adelaide) will be out for a few weeks from swine flu, a big difference to the league player who was playing a few days later. seems that some people recover differently from the flu than others?

but specifics aside the bigger picture, namely club v country involving HAL clubs, needs resolving. leeds and everton and to a lesser extent re:carney at shfd united have all been lambasted in the past over this issue. and now GCU and Adelaide United (over mullen i think recently?) are dragging their feet over releasing players. So where’s the balance between NT development and HAL development to be found? both are integral to the game here.