Deans exasperated by scrum calls
By David Beniuk, 20 Jul 2009
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An exasperated Robbie Deans believes the Wallabies scrum is being picked on by referees because of the bad reputation it has had in the past.
Australian tighthead Al Baxter was pinged several times by South African referee Craig Joubert for scrum infringements, some of which cost the Wallabies priceless attacking opportunities during Saturday’s 22-16 Eden Park loss.
Even New Zealand commentators were bemused by some of the decisions, while Deans was seen on television throwing his hands up in frustration after one call.
He later agreed with a television interviewer who had suggested Baxter was being “picked on”.
Asked at the post-match press conference how frustrated Baxter was by the decisions, Deans replied: “Clearly very frustrated. I think he was frustrated with good reason, to be fair.
“I don’t wish to talk any further about it. I don’t see any benefit in it. It’s an area of frustration.”
But the disappointed coach did elaborate when asked later if Australia’s reputation for poor scrummaging – largely dispelled by a powerhouse performance against England last year – was still costing his side.
“There’s absolutely no doubt about that,” he said.
“It’s not my area but there are people responsible for that, the adjudication of the game, they should deal with it because it’s a source of frustration, not just for players but for spectators as well.
“It’s nonsense.”
Baxter said Joubert had an issue with his binding in the scrums.
“He was saying I need your bind higher on the opposition,” the prop said.
“Obviously there was a disconnect between what I thought I was doing and what was happening.”
But Baxter said he would analyse video of the game before deciding whether the calls were fair.
“He’s a top-level referee, he’s been there plenty of times before so it’s something we’ll have to look at and make sure we get sorted out.
“It certainly hurt momentum at certain times.”
Deans also said Australia’s wobbles under the high ball were partly due to refereeing.
“There’s a lot going on around that I think needs to be adjudicated as well … (at times), you can’t even get to the ball,” he said.
Asked if the refereeing was the most disappointing aspect of the Wallabies’ loss, Deans was philosophical.
“That’s just part of life, that’s the way it is, life is unjust,” he said.
“What did Bill Gates say? It’s unjust, get used to it.”
Deans said the loss, after the Wallabies had led 10-0 at their hoodoo ground, had flattened his players.
“I guess in this instance they have a sense of not being far away which in an ironic way makes it worse,” he said.
“I suspect just from observation that it probably hurt more (than other games).”
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July 20th 2009 @ 6:44pm
gavin said | July 20th 2009 @ 6:44pm | Report comment
what sense of worth. There is none. They don’r play for Auastralia, they are “the Qantas wallabies Inc ”
Sad but true
July 20th 2009 @ 6:45pm
gavin said | July 20th 2009 @ 6:45pm | Report comment
blast! Is there an edit facility so i can correct typos?
July 20th 2009 @ 7:22pm
retired rucker said | July 20th 2009 @ 7:22pm | Report comment
Please don’t whinge about the ref coach,leave it to some one else or you’ll end up sounding like eddie the whinger jones
July 21st 2009 @ 12:34pm
CronullaKiwi said | July 21st 2009 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
Craig, you are absolutely deluded mate if you have seriously convinced yourself that “After that we had honest scrumming he was beaten by Baxter time and time again” your scrum is as brittle as it has ever been and you have to accept that.
July 21st 2009 @ 11:08pm
Photon said | July 21st 2009 @ 11:08pm | Report comment
I would like to know just one thing from Aussie fans. Last year I saw a stat which said that tri nations matches involving Australia had on average twice as many collapsed scrums as matches between South Africa and New Zealand. If the problem isn’t the Wallaby scrum how come this issue is so much moreprevelant in matches involing them.
July 21st 2009 @ 11:28pm
gavin said | July 21st 2009 @ 11:28pm | Report comment
Photon
If such a stat exists then you bring forward a good point. i knew Jones should have been the coach, preferable with Alec Evans beside him again
July 21st 2009 @ 11:55pm
Sam Taulelei said | July 21st 2009 @ 11:55pm | Report comment
Photon
Here is the stats you referred to regarding the scrums from last years tri nations. Not pleasant reading if you’re a Wallaby supporter.
In the first Tri-Nations match, between New Zealand and South Africa, the scrums were 23, 2 resets, 3 collapses.
In the second Tri-Nations match, between New Zealand and South Africa, the scrums were 13, 1 resets, 3 collapses.
In the third Tri-Nations match, between Australia and South Africa, the scrums were 23, 10 reset, 16 collapses.
In the fourth Tri-Nations match, between Australia and New Zealand, the scrums were 16, 6 reset, 13 collapses.
In the fifth Tri-Nations match, between New Zealand and Australia, the scrums were 11, 7 resets, 12 collapses.
In the sixth Tri-Nations match, between South Africa and New Zealand, the scrums were 24, 5 resets, 2 collapses.
In the seventh Tri-Nations match, between Australia and South Africa, the scrums were 18, 3 reset, 5 collapses.
In the eighth Tri-Nations match, between Australia and South Africa, the scrums were 16, 7 reset, 6 collapses.
In the ninth Tri-Nations match, between Australia and New Zealand, the scrums were 16, 7 reset, 13 collapses.
In matches involving only New Zealand and South Africa, there were 60 scrums, 8 resets and 8 collapses.
In matches involving Australia, there were 100 scrums, 40 resets and 65 collapses.
July 22nd 2009 @ 12:11am
Bonza said | July 22nd 2009 @ 12:11am | Report comment
Great stuff Sam – looks like there a statistical pattern that exists regardless of the ref so we might have to grin and bear or change something technically or personel
July 22nd 2009 @ 1:13am
Sam Taulelei said | July 22nd 2009 @ 1:13am | Report comment
Bonza
The personnel for the Wallaby front row last year was consistent. Baxter, Moore and Robinson started all Bledisloe Cup tests and the first Tri Nations test against SA in Perth. Dunning was the preferred tighthead against SA in the republic before being subbed by Baxter and Polota Nau started against SA in the 53-8 drubbing before being subbed by Moore. I don’t profess to know much about scrummaging but the culprit seems to be the problematic tighthead position and I’m only basing this on anecdotal evidence as I haven’t yet read about Robinson being criticised for collapsing nor do I recall watching the scrum go down regularly (if at all) on Robinson’s side. Baxter has as many supporters as detractors and whether he’s unable to shake the stigma of previous sins or not in the referees eyes that is an awful lot of reset and collapsed scrums.
July 22nd 2009 @ 1:41am
gavin said | July 22nd 2009 @ 1:41am | Report comment
thanks Sam
Yep, th Wallabies have a problem
The other problem we have if we want to thorw the pill around is night games. All those dropped balls due to the dew on the ground
back to 3pm kick offs please