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	<title>Comments on: The case for extra time to settle AFL draws</title>
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		<title>By: Pauly Walnuts</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-178647</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauly Walnuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurt you&#039;re just being painful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt you&#8217;re just being painful.</p>
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		<title>By: Pauly Walnuts</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-178646</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauly Walnuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes and the blow out would be inequitable.  The other factor not yet bantered about on this forum is the extra media coverage and water cooler conversation that a draw brings to the game.  It certainly seems to be something controversial that the AFL would be wanting to keep and continue their focus/ resources on eradicating controversial drug and alcohol issues in the sport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes and the blow out would be inequitable.  The other factor not yet bantered about on this forum is the extra media coverage and water cooler conversation that a draw brings to the game.  It certainly seems to be something controversial that the AFL would be wanting to keep and continue their focus/ resources on eradicating controversial drug and alcohol issues in the sport.</p>
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		<title>By: Pauly Walnuts</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-178644</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauly Walnuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although, that would mean instead of a frantic last x number of minutes one team would play keepings off absolutely killing the intensity and spirit of the game when it should be at it&#039;s climax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although, that would mean instead of a frantic last x number of minutes one team would play keepings off absolutely killing the intensity and spirit of the game when it should be at it&#8217;s climax.</p>
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		<title>By: Pauly Walnuts</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-178643</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauly Walnuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, you&#039;d have to go home! Most people would have booked return flights, still need confirmation that you could score another ticket, have work on that week and need to organise extended accomodation.  Maybe I should start practicing my nose wiggling Bewitched-style...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, you&#8217;d have to go home! Most people would have booked return flights, still need confirmation that you could score another ticket, have work on that week and need to organise extended accomodation.  Maybe I should start practicing my nose wiggling Bewitched-style&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pauly Walnuts</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-178641</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauly Walnuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d agree, the hawks would have been happy with a draw today....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d agree, the hawks would have been happy with a draw today&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pauly Walnuts</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-178639</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauly Walnuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177935</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right Tom, if only we were so wonderfully, terribly clever we would all agree with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right Tom, if only we were so wonderfully, terribly clever we would all agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177447</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurt, that is the most unbelievably stupid thing I&#039;ve ever seen you write, and you&#039;ve written some shockers.

Have you ever actually been on an aeroplane? Do you understand that its not exactly the best place to relax from strenuous physical activity? 
Do you know that teams always fly down prior to the actual day of the game, meaning their preparation routines are more disrupted than the opposition?
Have you ever noticed how poorly teams often perform on the second week on the road in a row? 
Do you realise that the AFL recognises this, and never schedules either of the Western Australian teams to play interstate in consecutive weeks?

Its a stupid system, and its evidently only supported by people who deny the obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt, that is the most unbelievably stupid thing I&#8217;ve ever seen you write, and you&#8217;ve written some shockers.</p>
<p>Have you ever actually been on an aeroplane? Do you understand that its not exactly the best place to relax from strenuous physical activity?<br />
Do you know that teams always fly down prior to the actual day of the game, meaning their preparation routines are more disrupted than the opposition?<br />
Have you ever noticed how poorly teams often perform on the second week on the road in a row?<br />
Do you realise that the AFL recognises this, and never schedules either of the Western Australian teams to play interstate in consecutive weeks?</p>
<p>Its a stupid system, and its evidently only supported by people who deny the obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Metzger</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177385</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Metzger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/23/get-rid-of-extra-time-not-draws/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/23/get-rid-of-extra-time-not-draws/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/23/get-rid-of-extra-time-not-draws/</a></p>
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		<title>By: sheek</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177310</link>
		<dc:creator>sheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MyGeneration,

Dammit, I&#039;m going to be a dinosaur if I want. I refuse to accept extra time for draws in home &amp; away regular season matches.

And you&#039;re asking me the odds on draws???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MyGeneration,</p>
<p>Dammit, I&#8217;m going to be a dinosaur if I want. I refuse to accept extra time for draws in home &amp; away regular season matches.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re asking me the odds on draws???</p>
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		<title>By: MyGeneration</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177283</link>
		<dc:creator>MyGeneration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheek, there are just a lot more draws in League (even with the &#039;golden point&#039;) so dealing with the issue of &quot;kissing your sister&quot; has been a lot more pressing over the years, and I think overall it has been a success (from an entertainment point-of- view, maybe from a betting point-of-view as well).  I&#039;m sure this will blow over in the AFL when there are no more draws for another season. Now I&#039;m going to go and bet on all the draws in this AFL round, what odds ya reckon? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheek, there are just a lot more draws in League (even with the &#8216;golden point&#8217;) so dealing with the issue of &#8220;kissing your sister&#8221; has been a lot more pressing over the years, and I think overall it has been a success (from an entertainment point-of- view, maybe from a betting point-of-view as well).  I&#8217;m sure this will blow over in the AFL when there are no more draws for another season. Now I&#8217;m going to go and bet on all the draws in this AFL round, what odds ya reckon? <img src='http://www.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steven Metzger</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177278</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Metzger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, by one logic, the 2006 GF was &quot;due&quot; to be drawn (once every 29 years). I guess one point is close enough though, so the next one is probably 2035, not 2040.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, by one logic, the 2006 GF was &#8220;due&#8221; to be drawn (once every 29 years). I guess one point is close enough though, so the next one is probably 2035, not 2040.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177235</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all those saying how &#039;impossible&#039; it would be for interstate teams and fans if there was a GF replay - have you heard of these new-fangled things called aeroplanes?  They move so quickly you can get from one end of the country to the other in only 3 hours, thus actually making it possible for a team to play a game in Melbourne, fly home that night and then return six days later for the replay!  Amazing I know but perhaps we could make use of this remarkable innovation?  And given the next GF replay is due in about 2040 I think it&#039;s a fair assumption that there will be ways and means of moving people around the country quickly and efficiently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all those saying how &#8216;impossible&#8217; it would be for interstate teams and fans if there was a GF replay &#8211; have you heard of these new-fangled things called aeroplanes?  They move so quickly you can get from one end of the country to the other in only 3 hours, thus actually making it possible for a team to play a game in Melbourne, fly home that night and then return six days later for the replay!  Amazing I know but perhaps we could make use of this remarkable innovation?  And given the next GF replay is due in about 2040 I think it&#8217;s a fair assumption that there will be ways and means of moving people around the country quickly and efficiently.</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177173</link>
		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right.</p>
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		<title>By: sheek</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177164</link>
		<dc:creator>sheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Steve,

I was merely being uber-cynical about why the NRL adopted &#039;golden point&#039; extra time for poor old home &amp; away games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Steve,</p>
<p>I was merely being uber-cynical about why the NRL adopted &#8216;golden point&#8217; extra time for poor old home &amp; away games.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Metzger</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177152</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Metzger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The benefits of keeping draws outweigh the costs, IMO.
- A drawn match can shake up the ladder.
- The threat of a draw keeps teams from getting complacent late in the game.
- Even a draw is as close as a game can get, so it&#039;s not like the fans aren&#039;t getting their money&#039;s worth.

Getting rid of draws would do a couple of not-so-good things:
- 10 more minutes of football can mean more injuries and fatigue.
- Teams can get complacent late in the game, expecting extra time.

Ultimately, I think there are two questions here:

Does the AFL want to pander to a few anti-traditional voices?
Does the AFL want to necessarily find a winner while screwing up the overall H&amp;A season?

Plus, what would you do with percentage? The extra time can turn a legitimately drawn game into a blowout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The benefits of keeping draws outweigh the costs, IMO.<br />
- A drawn match can shake up the ladder.<br />
- The threat of a draw keeps teams from getting complacent late in the game.<br />
- Even a draw is as close as a game can get, so it&#8217;s not like the fans aren&#8217;t getting their money&#8217;s worth.</p>
<p>Getting rid of draws would do a couple of not-so-good things:<br />
- 10 more minutes of football can mean more injuries and fatigue.<br />
- Teams can get complacent late in the game, expecting extra time.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I think there are two questions here:</p>
<p>Does the AFL want to pander to a few anti-traditional voices?<br />
Does the AFL want to necessarily find a winner while screwing up the overall H&amp;A season?</p>
<p>Plus, what would you do with percentage? The extra time can turn a legitimately drawn game into a blowout.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Metzger</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177147</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Metzger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The norm here in the U.S. for betting is 50/50 stakes, based on the margin of a game (Dallas gives Philadelphia 3.5 points, which means Dallas winning by 3 would give a Philly pick the win). It actually brings in quite a bit of scandal (see also &#039;point-shaving&#039;).

If the NRL golden point is about betting (which it probably isn&#039;t, they have two draws so far this year), then it should be just as easy to have draw stakes like most EPL games employ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The norm here in the U.S. for betting is 50/50 stakes, based on the margin of a game (Dallas gives Philadelphia 3.5 points, which means Dallas winning by 3 would give a Philly pick the win). It actually brings in quite a bit of scandal (see also &#8216;point-shaving&#8217;).</p>
<p>If the NRL golden point is about betting (which it probably isn&#8217;t, they have two draws so far this year), then it should be just as easy to have draw stakes like most EPL games employ.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Metzger</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177143</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Metzger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second that.</description>
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		<title>By: sheek</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177114</link>
		<dc:creator>sheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW,

I reckon the NRL system of &#039;golden point&#039; time on for home &amp; away matches is stupid. I&#039;m sure this is all designed to satisfy the sporting markets. 

Sad when you bend to what the &#039;bettors&#039; want. As opposed to &#039;bettees&#039;, the poor suckers who do their dough every weekend. I don&#039;t mind having a bet, I just don&#039;t want to be dictated to by those guys.

As I said, leave extra time for the finals matches. That&#039;s when you require it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW,</p>
<p>I reckon the NRL system of &#8216;golden point&#8217; time on for home &amp; away matches is stupid. I&#8217;m sure this is all designed to satisfy the sporting markets. </p>
<p>Sad when you bend to what the &#8216;bettors&#8217; want. As opposed to &#8216;bettees&#8217;, the poor suckers who do their dough every weekend. I don&#8217;t mind having a bet, I just don&#8217;t want to be dictated to by those guys.</p>
<p>As I said, leave extra time for the finals matches. That&#8217;s when you require it.</p>
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		<title>By: sheek</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177112</link>
		<dc:creator>sheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Megatron,

What Pippinu said, of  what I said!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Megatron,</p>
<p>What Pippinu said, of  what I said!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177104</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megatron
Sheek was referring to drawn home and away games (ok to have draws), not finals, where he agreed it&#039;s ok to have extra time..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megatron<br />
Sheek was referring to drawn home and away games (ok to have draws), not finals, where he agreed it&#8217;s ok to have extra time..</p>
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		<title>By: megatron</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177092</link>
		<dc:creator>megatron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t see how it is being complicated. If it&#039;s drawn you go into extra time until you have a winner. Simple. Same system for all AFL matches. Almost every other code does it... Bball, netball, soccer in knockout games etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t see how it is being complicated. If it&#8217;s drawn you go into extra time until you have a winner. Simple. Same system for all AFL matches. Almost every other code does it&#8230; Bball, netball, soccer in knockout games etc.</p>
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		<title>By: sheek</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177088</link>
		<dc:creator>sheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As others have said, absolutely nothing wrong with drawn games during the regular home &amp; away season. Why the obsession?

It&#039;s only when you get to finals time that you use extra time to avoid draws/ties.

Why unnecessarily complicate life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As others have said, absolutely nothing wrong with drawn games during the regular home &amp; away season. Why the obsession?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only when you get to finals time that you use extra time to avoid draws/ties.</p>
<p>Why unnecessarily complicate life?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177080</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw - congrats to theRoar folk for bringing the post specific &#039;reply&#039; option into this - - having adjusted now, it&#039;s great and should help prevent run away hijacking of the core thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw &#8211; congrats to theRoar folk for bringing the post specific &#8216;reply&#8217; option into this &#8211; - having adjusted now, it&#8217;s great and should help prevent run away hijacking of the core thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177076</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I understand that in the soccer fraternity there&#039;s perhaps a 50/50 split on the penalty shoot outs - those who love them and all the drama/tension etc, and those who loath them as an inappropriate way to decide A. a match and B. a tournament.

The AFL held a lightening premiership tourney pre-season in 1996 (the centenary of the VFL year) - it might well have been part of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I understand that in the soccer fraternity there&#8217;s perhaps a 50/50 split on the penalty shoot outs &#8211; those who love them and all the drama/tension etc, and those who loath them as an inappropriate way to decide A. a match and B. a tournament.</p>
<p>The AFL held a lightening premiership tourney pre-season in 1996 (the centenary of the VFL year) &#8211; it might well have been part of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177063</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>112 years on - I think we can all safely agree that six points for a goal and one point for a behind is here to stay!!

For those who don&#039;t know, in 1948 we had our first ever draw in a VFL grand final:

Essendon, who topped the ladder, kicked an incredible 7:27 to draw with Melbourne 10:9.

Melbourne won the replay the following week.

As I say, 112 years of a goal being worth 6 points - end of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>112 years on &#8211; I think we can all safely agree that six points for a goal and one point for a behind is here to stay!!</p>
<p>For those who don&#8217;t know, in 1948 we had our first ever draw in a VFL grand final:</p>
<p>Essendon, who topped the ladder, kicked an incredible 7:27 to draw with Melbourne 10:9.</p>
<p>Melbourne won the replay the following week.</p>
<p>As I say, 112 years of a goal being worth 6 points &#8211; end of story.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Metzger</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177059</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Metzger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I don&#039;t think that anyone is suggesting that a penalty shootout decides any game, much less the GF. 

In my opinion FIFA dropped the ball by getting rid of golden-goal - extra time in the World Cup final should be &quot;first goal wins,&quot; and keep going for hours until someone scores. After all, the players don&#039;t need to be fresh for the next round - that doesn&#039;t happen in earnest for another 47 months.

The NFL has a long series of tiebreaker rules for standings, with the 15th and final one being a coin flip.
In all honesty, percentage is a great way to decide tiebreaker - but in the rare case that it doesn&#039;t work out (or if you want to reshuffle the tiebreakers), results between teams tied on the ladder, percentage in those games, and goal percentages are great ways to never have shootout or coin toss decide anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I don&#8217;t think that anyone is suggesting that a penalty shootout decides any game, much less the GF. </p>
<p>In my opinion FIFA dropped the ball by getting rid of golden-goal &#8211; extra time in the World Cup final should be &#8220;first goal wins,&#8221; and keep going for hours until someone scores. After all, the players don&#8217;t need to be fresh for the next round &#8211; that doesn&#8217;t happen in earnest for another 47 months.</p>
<p>The NFL has a long series of tiebreaker rules for standings, with the 15th and final one being a coin flip.<br />
In all honesty, percentage is a great way to decide tiebreaker &#8211; but in the rare case that it doesn&#8217;t work out (or if you want to reshuffle the tiebreakers), results between teams tied on the ladder, percentage in those games, and goal percentages are great ways to never have shootout or coin toss decide anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177045</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may surprise Michael C etc but I actually like the replay if the GF is drawn rule. I hate the fact that the football World Cup can be won via a penalty shoot out.

Regarding shoot out rules I dont remember the year but I think there was a year where going into Round 22 Geelong and Essnedon were vying for 2nd on the ladder (could be 1995). Now thier % was very close and I think that going into that Round it was possible, although very improbable that they would finish up on the same points and same %. The journalists looked through the rules and found that should this occur a 50m penalty shoot-out of sorts would be required to determine the 2nd place. This was written back of course in the VFL days when teams could just lob up to a suburban ground on a Monday night and have the shoot-out. Following the 1995 situation I think the AFL re-wrote the rules for 1996 and beyond. It was in the press that week but of course did not eventuate as the results required in Round 22 were very unlikely to occur.
PLease don&#039;t take the above as fact cause I&#039;m working from memory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may surprise Michael C etc but I actually like the replay if the GF is drawn rule. I hate the fact that the football World Cup can be won via a penalty shoot out.</p>
<p>Regarding shoot out rules I dont remember the year but I think there was a year where going into Round 22 Geelong and Essnedon were vying for 2nd on the ladder (could be 1995). Now thier % was very close and I think that going into that Round it was possible, although very improbable that they would finish up on the same points and same %. The journalists looked through the rules and found that should this occur a 50m penalty shoot-out of sorts would be required to determine the 2nd place. This was written back of course in the VFL days when teams could just lob up to a suburban ground on a Monday night and have the shoot-out. Following the 1995 situation I think the AFL re-wrote the rules for 1996 and beyond. It was in the press that week but of course did not eventuate as the results required in Round 22 were very unlikely to occur.<br />
PLease don&#8217;t take the above as fact cause I&#8217;m working from memory</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177010</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven -

agreed - I&#039;ve often said that perhaps the one thing the AFL could do - is suggest that most goals will win.  i.e. the game IS after all about kicking goals (and not own goals, or heading or scoring tries/touchdowns etc).

So, with goals being so specific as per the rules.  THen, behinds would only be used to break a dead lock on goals.  

I just assume that people have a natural tendancy to &#039;tally&#039; as they go.

After all - in the Rugby codes, initially Trys didn&#039;t return a score, and then, got used for a short while to break a dead lock if goals were level.

SO, not just the Gaelic lads toying with the concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven -</p>
<p>agreed &#8211; I&#8217;ve often said that perhaps the one thing the AFL could do &#8211; is suggest that most goals will win.  i.e. the game IS after all about kicking goals (and not own goals, or heading or scoring tries/touchdowns etc).</p>
<p>So, with goals being so specific as per the rules.  THen, behinds would only be used to break a dead lock on goals.  </p>
<p>I just assume that people have a natural tendancy to &#8216;tally&#8217; as they go.</p>
<p>After all &#8211; in the Rugby codes, initially Trys didn&#8217;t return a score, and then, got used for a short while to break a dead lock if goals were level.</p>
<p>SO, not just the Gaelic lads toying with the concept.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Metzger</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/22/the-case-for-extra-time-to-settle-afl-draws/#comment-177003</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Metzger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve often thought that behinds would have been more natural as &quot;tiebreakers,&quot; and that no amount of behinds could every equal a goal. Considering the way that they were keeping score, this would have made more sense. Plus, Gaelic Football had this sort of scoring system around the same time - if 19th century sportsmen were thinking that way, how come this concept didn&#039;t stick?

At any rate, at least this wouldn&#039;t have made the goal-to-behind ratio seem so arbitrary. Behinds would still get tallied, they just wouldn&#039;t be amounting to any goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve often thought that behinds would have been more natural as &#8220;tiebreakers,&#8221; and that no amount of behinds could every equal a goal. Considering the way that they were keeping score, this would have made more sense. Plus, Gaelic Football had this sort of scoring system around the same time &#8211; if 19th century sportsmen were thinking that way, how come this concept didn&#8217;t stick?</p>
<p>At any rate, at least this wouldn&#8217;t have made the goal-to-behind ratio seem so arbitrary. Behinds would still get tallied, they just wouldn&#8217;t be amounting to any goals.</p>
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