There is some information here about the plans submitted to council for the Mariners Centre of Excellence. So let’s put a value on the centre.
Land, 22 acres at 1.5 million per acre: that’s 33 million. Building and fields, 18.5 million, plus furnishing, fitting, equipment and so on, say 5 million. A working club with normal bar and food facilities and some pokies, say 1.5 million.
Total tangible asset value is $58 million.
Now we have to add the intangible assets such as goodwill, knowledge and so on.
The Mariners centre will use the Brazilian giants San Polo coaching methods and the academy management structure of Sheffield United. The community goodwill and the value of future players needs to be added. Plus the revenue streams coming out of the 120 room motel.
Plus the benefits from the relationship with Newcastle University, who will set up part of their medical school. The Sports Management school will also be run out of the Mariners Centre of Excellence..
So what’s it worth? My guess is somewhere between $58 and $65 million.
By heck, that is an investment in football.
When completed, the Mariners Centre of Football excellence will feature six full sized playing fields, including a boutique arena, ten small sided, multi-sport fields, a 6-story administration building, a sports science building, a 120-room accommodation block, an indoor aquatic centre, gymnasium, and a refurbished and extended licensed club.
But will the Mariners Centre of Excellence deliver what has been claimed by the Mariners board since before Hal 1?
The premise behind the Mariners Centre of Excellence is that football will grow in Australia and for a regional centre to compete with it’s capital rivals in the future, it needs something. The something is an academy based entirely upon increasing the technical ability of the players within the academy and the Central Coast in general.
How valid is this claim that by simply producing technical better juniors, a regional club will grow?
To date, the Mariners Board record is impressive. They have convinced a local RSL club to provide 12 acres of land and their premises in return for having their club refurbished. The Wyong council has provided an adjourning 10 acres of land.
Part of this trust was developed when in Hal 2, Lyle Gorman (Mariners CEO) was invited onto a local Area Health board and he wrote a paper about the connection between alcohol abuse by local youth and sport. Only a few months after Lyle wrote the paper, a beer company offered the Mariners a six figure sponsorship contract.
The club was still losing money, but Lyle rejected the offer, which was a massive ethical stand. Many locals say that this in itself earned the trust of the local community and why, when Lyle presented to the RSL board and Council what he wanted to do, the 22 acres of land and club was handed over.
That said, can a training academy based on creating the best technical junior players in the country make a small regional area a power house in Australia football for years to come?
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jaymz said | July 22nd 2009 @ 7:27am | Report comment
honestly, i dont think it will make them a powerhouse austrlalian club, i think it is going to make them a mid table club that sells players to bigger clubs (similar to west ham)
Midfielder said | July 22nd 2009 @ 7:32am | Report comment
Jaymz
The difference is that the A-League will always loss its best players overseas so many players will go overseas rather than to rival A-League clubs…
AndyRoo said | July 22nd 2009 @ 9:14am | Report comment
It sounds like the plan is if no one else has a centre then they will supplement the local talent with youths from outside their region. And realistically the centre would be very impressive to a prospective prospect, no matter where you lived in Australia. They are only one hour north of the biggest talent pool in Australia (Sydney) and if you live in Northern NSW then you would likely choose the Mariners over Newcastle now.
It’s strange that a club that doesn’t spend the money on a marquee player (which gives you the impression their skint) has the capital to invest so much in this centre.
I think this is very astute from the Mariners. In a league with a salary cap having great off field facilities is one of the ways to get an advantage. It also means they can compete for Juniors when if they didn’t have these facilities there competing at a disadvantage geographically because they are sandwiched between two clubs.
In regards to the A league, once the league as matured you will likely only be promoting two prospects a year into the first team squad so that is definitely possible from an area like the Central Coast.
Vicentin said | July 22nd 2009 @ 9:27am | Report comment
I pretty much agee with AndyRoo’s comments – the off the field (back room) work by the Mariners has been sensational but perhaps they need to a bit more effort into the shop window (marquee players or at least a more appealing style of play – yes, I know very subjective). Looks fantastic for the futue and hopefully it is something that other clubs are aspiring to.
Midfielder – how was the SBS story about the centre? I believe they had one on TWG on the weekend? Was is comprehensive? Fair? It is on my recorder but I’ve not got around to watching it yet. Cheers.
Koala Bear said | July 22nd 2009 @ 9:57am | Report comment
Midfielder,
yes it is a breathtaking concept and one worth pursuing for the kids of that region … the fruits, however, will not be realised for at least 10 yrs or so. But by then, the demographics will be in tune with Football… The old adage, “Rome was not built in a day” holds true… It will eventually come to pass when the Central Coast reaches some 2 million in population… How long will that take (10yrs)? I have no idea really, but eventually it will come and the club by then will be an important piece of Australian Football infrastructure… Inviting some of the best national and o/s club sides to stay and train at its “Football Excellence Complex” for vital pre-match competitions … A “Football Convention Centre” drawing millions of overseas dollars into the Central Coast economy, which is what, is so exciting about this project… And that is why the Wyong Mayor is on board with this Football building project that no other code can match…
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KB
Midfielder said | July 22nd 2009 @ 10:15am | Report comment
Vicentin
The SBS 2 minute clip is fair in what is says.. TBH and I am bias here … BUT the entire concept is built around superior technical skills being developed… and at a level to make the countries best juniors want to train their… very much the number one wish item by SBS over last three years … that in 5 years it gets a 2.3 min clip and still the technical skills and the premis behind the centre is still not discussed… BUT it is a start … hopefully more stories will follow..as I have said recently the SBS line apperas to be softening over the last two months in particular..
Midfielder said | July 22nd 2009 @ 10:20am | Report comment
KB
Spot on the time frame is heaps into the future and those comments about the current coach and players .. entirely miss the point..the MCOE is to ensure from 10 or 15 years from now , the Mariners will be able to compete with much larger capital city clubs…
Interesting to that as many clubs are investing in overseas marquee players the Mariners are investing in development of technical ability .. as I said a massive gamble … will it work… we will only know from about 10 years out..
Koala Bear said | July 22nd 2009 @ 12:32pm | Report comment
Midfielder,
I can see the Football philosophy etc. that Lyle Gorman (Mariners CEO) is trying to impose on the Central Coast … A production line of Harry Kewells and Timmy Cahills … and rightly so in my view… Overseas marque players are no good for the “Australian National Football Team”… We need home grown products that will eventually come from the CCA and else where but that will not happen over night…
The philosophy has to start after the Academy is in place, then, if you can’t find the coaches locally, to produce the type of player you want to create, you employ the skilled O/S coaches…
Hopefully the player you produce, in my view, will be a mixture of European and Brazilian technical skilled players, with the Australian Anzac spirit if that is what it’s called… A player with a certain amount of mental toughness, which was shown in 2006 WC in Germany against the Japanese NT… a come from behind to win…
On SBS, TWG I had never thought they were against the HAL and never saw anything that suggested to me that they were … I think you are wrong in that respect….
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KB
Vicentin said | July 22nd 2009 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
Mid, a bit off-topic but I know you appreciate music too. The comment about alcohol abuse and sport got me thinking about an excellent Background Briefing program on Radio National the other day about music in schools – at one point they bring in an excellent example about working with some of the poorest kids in Venezuala, and why music is better than sports in building self-esteem and other values in these kids.
But hey, Music makes everything better – maybe they can incorporate it into the football academy? Kids always do drills better if there’s some rhythm … Bootsy Collins with his “everything on the one” is always good. Gotta get out that beatbox!
you can find a link to the audio file and full transcript here … http://www.abc.net.au/rn/backgroundbriefing/stories/2009/2612176.htm
… It’s really interesting, Dr Abreu was asked at one point ‘Why is it that you’ve chosen music as opposed to sports?’ Because there are many programs that try to deal with problems that afflict youth.
Stephen Crittenden: Soccer, for example, football?
Brian Levine: Yes, absolutely, soccer, very much and there are a lot of real advantages, one of which is how ubiquitous and accessible and how inexpensive it is to play soccer, the equipment requirements are next to nothing. And Abreu said, ‘Well of course sports have wonderful, wonderful virtues, and they’re very motivating and they’re very invigorating, and they promote physical health. But let me ask you to put yourself in the position of a child who has grown up in one of our worst barrios. From the time this child has been aware of itself and of anything around it, there is one message that rings through loud and clear that defines him or her for the rest of his life: you are a loser. You are nothing and you count for nothing. And when you organise groups of young people with that kind of background into teams, and you pit them against each other, you might say that you’re bringing out the best in them, but in fact you’re teaching them that they have enemies, they have to triumph against their enemies, and they have to vanquish their enemies. And in addition, in every competition of that kind, 50% of them have the message, you are a loser, reinforced.’ ‘And,’ he said, ‘this is one problem that we don’t encounter with playing in a symphony orchestra. Because a symphony orchestra is a rare and unique organisation whose only purpose and only reason for being is to be in agreement with itself. We are a community and we all win simply by participating in it.’ That certainly is the model that I have seen extraordinarily played out in Venezuela.
Towser said | July 22nd 2009 @ 2:05pm | Report comment
On this academy business. Whilst I commend what The Mariners are doing,arent all A-League clubs supposed to be having their own academies from next year? This is because all state football programs will be scrapped & the clubs will take over development of young players in their area. So in QLD the Roar,GCU & NQF will take over from the QAS.