Barnes loss another painful blow for Reds fans
By Garth Hamilton, 30 Jul 2009 Garth Hamilton is a Roar Expert
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There was something exhilarating about watching Berrick Barnes wearing the Queensland jersey. In the sky blue of the Waratahs he will no doubt be magnificent too, as he is and will continue to be an exciting and talented footballer regardless of where he earns his living.
But in the ever reddening maroon of his native state’s shirt, all of the brilliance of his football and all of the composure that belied his youth was magnified by the hope that he brought to Queensland rugby.
With his departure, the relentless drag of fading hope, an all too familiar feeling, is upon Queenslanders again.
For what it is worth, all I can do as but a speck in the far flung diehard Reds diaspora is to congratulate the Waratahs on a great signing. It is a futile gesture but what other than futility are we Reds fans armed with?
We have crashed our way through so many ‘rock bottoms’ over the past eight years that the only truth we still believe is that “things can always get worse.”
Towards Barnes himself there can be no recrimination.
We knew, from his adventures in league and his back-packing around France after the last world cup that he had a desire to see the world. The ability to ship off to nearly anywhere and get a game is one of rugby’s draw cards; so much the better for him for taking advantage of it.
As something of a traveller myself, I can think of none of my but few life experiences that have better prepared me for my move to the United Kingdom than having been a Reds fans.
Our faded empire, like theirs, is no longer relevant in a world where rugby and glamour, once two of the most disparate entities, have now merged in the professional age.
We have our heroes and our past glories, and as Barnes himself has shown, we still have the ability to produce men of the finest quality.
But we stood too long in the twilight of our success, rode the shoulders of our giants into the ground.
Turning the Reds around may well prove as difficult as turning the UK into a society that embraces the changes demanded by modernity, however until we fundamentally change we will continue to look backwards to our best days.
The call for change is the easiest call to make and completely useless, not to mention a little disrespectful, to those who have shouldered the responsibility for seeing Queensland rugby right. Reds coach Paul Mooney is a good man with ability, experience and dedication.
Far worse coaches than he have ran international sides and the difference between the Super rugby rookie and his immediate predecessor, Eddie Jones, was stark and unflattering to the wayward disciple of Rod MacQueen.
I wish both Mooney and Barnes well.
Barnes plays the game the way I love to see it played and reminds me of Michael Lynagh in his coolness and steady hand. My guilty hope now is that his stay in New South Wales is but a short one and his roaming heart leads him over here, to the Guinness Premiership.
It would mean an end to his days in the Green and Gold of Australia but right now, from where my simple hopes are sinking in the swamps of sadness, that prospect would be a hell of a lot easier to swallow than watching him running around in the sky blue of New South Wales.
Give me a day or two and I’ll see reason. Maybe.
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mcxd said | July 30th 2009 @ 5:43am | Report comment
As a lifelong Tahs fan strangely i feel quite sorry for the Reds. They just seem to keep on falling one after one and unfortunately for them its their best ones. Am I happy for the Tahs ? Yes and no, god knows what they will be serving up this year.
onside said | July 30th 2009 @ 5:50am | Report comment
Berrick Barnes,an elite valuable player asset , who could earn ‘millions ‘ overseas,but has no value in Australia
because there is no transfer fee. I understand the reasons ,but the fact remains a Wallaby is worth nothing to
a Super 15 franchise this despite rugby is now a professional game.
Queensland will never recover from its soul being ripped out when the Western Force commenced.Its not a matter
of ‘get over it’.I am. But the special feeling that bonds,the intangable something that sets players apart from their pay cheque,was destroyed by the ARU.
Berrick Barnes, a young man who gave everthing for the Reds deserves a chance to play in a winning team. Good
luck to him,I wish him well.
Knives Out said | July 30th 2009 @ 6:17am | Report comment
Barnes probably could earn a lot in Europe, onside, but the squads in France and the UK were pretty much finalised a while ago. I wonder how long this deal has been going on?
onside said | July 30th 2009 @ 7:02am | Report comment
I understand Knives Out. I was trying to point out how inconguous it is that whilst a player on one hand
can earn a million dollars a season , he on the other hand is worth nothing to either an organisation or
club that nurtured him. I am not advocating change,nor do I have any ideas.Its just weird thats all.There
were probably a handful of deals to be considered. Perth would have surprised me more than Sydney,
because its so far away from home .Sydney is an hour in the air for a beer with mates at the Breaky Creek .
The Waratahs will never replicate what the Reds once had,(before Western Force) a genuine family tribal environment that Barnes must have missed greatly and longed for . But Barnes will get to play in a winning
team for a change. And who can begrudge him that.
Knives Out said | July 30th 2009 @ 7:05am | Report comment
Would this deal have been a recent thing, onside, or would it have started a few months ago?
El Capitan said | July 30th 2009 @ 8:10am | Report comment
What p*sses most of us Reds fans off is how long he has dragged this crap on. If you wern’t happy then leave early so that the Reds had a chance of securing new players, but since its dragged on long enough I see it, and the affects as distruptive to the Reds and Rugby in general. You will now be getting players who are run under a states program, to only see them be snatched by rival teams.
I think he’d better watch his back in game one next year, as I’m sure there will be some clubmates, and previous teammates that will be putting in something extra to their hits on him.
This just stinks just like Sailor’s leaving.
GaryGnu said | July 30th 2009 @ 8:27am | Report comment
Onside,
I would have some sympathy for the Reds/QRU not gaining any value for the transfer of Barnes if they paid the entirity of his wage. As it is, with the ARU topping up the money from the player’s Super Franchise, often to the extent that they pay the majority amount, it is the they who calls the shots and they do not seem to care as long as the player stays in Australia and eligible for National selection.
I have a friend who like you is despairing for the long term future of a QRU franchise in the Super competition. I don’t share his gloomy outlook. As long as the QRU finances are prudently managed the development of a good generation of players is all that is needed to return to better days.
onside said | July 30th 2009 @ 11:06am | Report comment
GaryGnu
thanks for putting the salary in perspective
Knivesout
I would not be surprised if Barnes has been in denial for a while,hoping for things
to improve.His home base is QLD. He might have thought ,if those in charge worked
as hard as I do,and are as passionate about the place as I am,then the Reds would
a positive environment to be in.The trouble is that is simply not the case.Barnes was
forced to recognise he must become a mercenary. A days work for a days pay.
All that heartfelt emotional stuff that young men are weaned on was buried a long
time ago. Barnes knows that.It just took him longer than many others for it to sink in.
Super rugby is a difficult environment for young players used to a club or elite school
system where the driving force is as much about loyalty as it is about ability.Is is not
easy being dropped into a commercial environment where players will wear anybodys
jersey and ,sport any sponsors logo so long as the price is right.There is no clubhouse,
no history,no older men who the 1953 grand final playing in the thirds,in fact no
emotional anything. Rugby in Australia has this huge disconnect between the values
supporters were brought up on, and what is now on offer today.Professional rugby
has no sense of belonging.Its a game in a vaccuum.No amount of singing Waltzing
Matilda and feigning a relaitionship with True Blue can disguise the reality.
cookie said | July 30th 2009 @ 8:51am | Report comment
I still can’t get my head around how the Tah’s got him! Is it worse at QRU than many are led to believe?
All of a sudden the Tah’s have gone from a team with potential but being somewhat rudderless that couldn’t get their backline to function let alone gel.
Now with Barnes inside it’s looking pretty good, decent forwards upfront and quality flyers out wide with a rudder in the middle to place the ball where its needed! (assuming the NZ incident is a one off!)
Only question is where they play him? Barnes/halanghu at 10 or 12 or possibly interchangable? Beale may end up at fullback? But it would be great if they could sign a marquee fullback/winger…..
9. burgess
10. Barnes
11. Mitchell
12. Halanghu
13. Horne
14. Turner
15. Beale
fox said | July 30th 2009 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Beale will most certainly end up at 12 and Mitchell at fullback. Mitchell signed to play fullback and barnes to play fly-half. Halanghu is no good to anyone at 12. Beale should develop well at 12 outside Barnes.
Armchair-critic said | July 30th 2009 @ 11:26am | Report comment
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-14/2704443/Former-All-Black-eyes-Waratahs-spot
Not a huge fan of Anesi but it seems they are searching for someone with real pace to fill this spot
El Capitan said | July 30th 2009 @ 8:56am | Report comment
I got some mail from an insider at his club. He said that the QRU were not happy in offering him a 1yr deal, and that the offer from the Tahs is what got it over the line.
Can sort of understand their thinking, otherwise you’ll end up with another Rocky problem.
Virgil said | July 30th 2009 @ 9:03am | Report comment
I cannot understand why they wouldn’t give him pretty much anything he wanted (bar an unaffordable amount of money). When he is the captain, the kicker, the brains and the passion of a team, and you have no replacement for him if he doesn’t sign, then why not give him a one year deal. This is unbelievable from the QRU if true.
Virgil said | July 30th 2009 @ 8:59am | Report comment
These days are as gloomy as they get for the Reds, and I despair. This year has just seen one kick to the gonads after another; McMeniman leaving, not signing Elsom, Barnes to the Waratahs and still no signing of Ioane.
Potentially, what will our backline look like next year?
9.Genia
10.Cooper/Lucas
11.Davies
12.Fetoai
13.Turinui (is he still signed for next year?),
14.Va’aulu/Connor
15. McLinden
We have good reason to despair. Oh for just one more game with Latham at the back….
reds fan said | July 30th 2009 @ 9:23am | Report comment
Virgil,
Davies is a disaster. Charlie has a spinal injury and is out for the entire 2010. It was quite bad, so hopefully he has a full recovery. Brando is also out for 2010 if i recall correctly. There is also Anthony Faingaa who really hasn’t made the grade.
For me its Connor and Morahan who I hope really come on this year. Kingi as the back up 9. Lucas and Quade playing 10, Quade also at 12. Mclinden will be the 15. Chambers is the unknown…. from all accounts he hasn’t exactly set the world alight for the Storm, but he’s young and still improving. He could possibly play 13.
And yes Morgan is on our books for next year… Mooney referred to him as the ‘natural contingency’.. I hope that was some kind of in-joke.
I really am not confident that Ioane will be with the Reds next year.
reds fan said | July 30th 2009 @ 9:29am | Report comment
so for me i’d like to see
9 genia
10 lucas
11 connor
12 cooper (and only cos there is no one else)
13 chambers
14 morahan
15 hynes
reds fan said | July 30th 2009 @ 9:36am | Report comment
and lets face it… the forwards are the real issue.. thats where all the problems start.
weeks and daley – the biggest improvers last year but still rookies
holmes – who knows what has gone wrong there..
hardman and faingaa – the old bloke toils, while the young fella is well off the pace (the twins were a mooney recruit – terrible)
horwill and humphries – jimmy, god bless him. Van is a journeyman and can really go missing.
Houston – he has a problem.
Braid – lets face it… his hearts not in it. His wonderful idea of seeing the big wonderful world playing pro rugby has got him from Auckland to Brisbane and the Reds….
Higginbotham – lots spoken of this guy but Moon’s hardly gave him a start last year. Not sure what the issue is.
Taylor – jury is still out.
But as a unit they are unfit and unmotivated. Hardly the platform for winning games.
Nick said | July 30th 2009 @ 9:13am | Report comment
It’s f***ing bulls**t and no serious Red’s fan should stand for it… I for one will boycot every Reds game until they sign a real Wallaby… Let’s look at what all four teams have been doing over the off-season;
Waratahs – Drew Mitchell, Berrick Barnes, and I just read some young outside centre who has been playing for Gwent…
Brumbies – Matt Giteau, Rocky Elsom… the rest is irrelevant…
Force – Andrew Pretorious, resigning O’Connor, Matt Dunning,
Reds – We’ve failed to get Rocky, we’ve lost Barnes, McMeineman, soon Digby.
So let me get this straight. There is supposed to be a form of ‘salary cap’ or gentlmans agreement of a maximum amount… Yet every state appears to have multiple Wallabies and other surely expensive players and we have one washed up Kiwi and a Wallaby second-rower… It’s not even a matter of no longer attacting quality players, we can’t even keep our half decent players. Let’s not kid ourselves, we whinge about Digby, but he’s not even a realy Wallaby, same with McMeineman.
It’s time for the entire QRU to sell the Red’s to someone who actually cares and is willing to spend the money and time to fix it. O’Neil keeps talking about private equity, I for one can’t wait…
BennO said | July 30th 2009 @ 9:39am | Report comment
It’s bloody terrible. I’m angry at Berrick for stringing the QRU on for so long. He reckons he only decided last weekend, but seriously if they give you everything you ask for (as they say they did) well then you’ve got to sign.
I’m angry at the QRU because they are completely useless at implementing a program to develop and retain talent. I mean fair dinkum, if the bunnies can do it in the NRL why can’t the QRU?
IN these days of professional sport with player and coach movements as they are, when you support a club or franchise or whatever, you are basically supporting the administrators of that club because no one else is going to stick around for more than a year or two without looking elsewhere. I think I’ve lost faith, hope and support for the QRU so perhaps I’ll start cheering for the Brumbies. They are inept. And while I think you’ve got to stick with your team in the good times and the bad, but the QRU gives you no reason to support them in these long bad times.
Sin-ick said | July 31st 2009 @ 2:19pm | Report comment
Hey BennO,
As previously written further up, apparently Barnes wanted a 1 year deal, and QRU said no to it.
Not exactly giving everything he asked for…..
Tah’s were more than happy to agree so south he comes.
Hoy said | July 30th 2009 @ 9:47am | Report comment
I am well over the old “business decision”. I want a bit of bloody loyalty in my team. The money would have been no different. Is this a set up to see about being a marquee signing for the 15th team? Is that why he has only signed a 1 year contract?
Yeah, I am sick of professional footballers, and those who make excuses for them, saying they only have limited time to make their money etc. If I made half of their money for half the time, I would still be OK at the end of it. Lets have some players who put back for the fans and stay LOYAL to their supporters, not their bank balance.
Perhaps I am alone, but I just couldn’t find it in myself to play against QLD, and would feel terrible about leaving the team on the rise, with lame excuses about what is best for me, and some false business decision excuse. Wanting to play in a winning team you have just been bought into is surely not as satisfying as if this clown stayed, and built the Reds back to the powerhouse of rugby they were in the 90s.
Another thought is that if all these clowns that have defected from the Reds came back (I don’t know if I could stomach them back in my colours now anyway), we would have a team capable of winning. With them all leaving, there is definitely no chance of “a winning culture” they keep talking about.
BennO said | July 30th 2009 @ 10:12am | Report comment
I agree with you about hte 15th team Hoy, I had that thought yesterday as soon as I saw a 12 month contract. And to be fair to the QRU, I can see why they wouldn’t give him 12 months, they would have seen the force farce all over again.
And again, I’m with you too about playing against QLD. Maybe it’s a younger generation thing, but crikey I would hate to play for NSW, absolutely hate it.
A somewhat long story…I went to school in Sydney for 8 years (after moving there from QLD), went to Sydney High and had the fortune of being coached at scrum time by Tony Hannon (oft lauded on these pages), but went back to QLD to finish school. I can remember in my final year at school the 5 Highs cricket competition was played in Brisbane. A few of my mates from Sydney came up to play in that comp so I went out to Carina to watch em. Sadly I didn’t go to Brisbane State High, but I found myself cheering for them against my old school of Sydney High. Even though I went there for 4 years, I was and am a QLDer and I just couldn’t help myself.
Sammy22 said | July 30th 2009 @ 10:16am | Report comment
Ok I’m looking for an upside
If I’m right the first reds game next year is NSW at Suncorp. There is a chance that Barnes could create more bums on seats for that game than he would’ve if he stayed and in turn put some dollars back into the reds bank account.
Therefore making it worth more to the reds for him to be playing at the Tahs and in turn creating funding that can be put back into community rugby.
Phew…….see being a reds supporter does make you look for bright side of life
….Hey some may say it was all part of the reds master plan
reds fan said | July 30th 2009 @ 10:29am | Report comment
Reports coming out that CEO Freer has been sacked. http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25856627-10389,00.html
A classic case of the horse having bolted I think….
BennO said | July 30th 2009 @ 10:52am | Report comment
I reckon it is reds fan, but I don’t like the sound of going back to Jeff Miller. I reckon it all began with him taking over from (or hiring in the first place) Mark McBain as head coach. QLD rugby was in trouble before the force, that just exacerbated things. And Miller had no plan to deal with a mass retirement of greats like Horan, Herbert, Kefu, Foley, Flatley and of course Eales.
reds fan said | July 30th 2009 @ 11:02am | Report comment
BennO. Yeah Miller would be a step back…
I wonder if Knuckles is planning a raid….?