http://www.theworldgame.com.au/young-matildas-drag-aussie-football-back-40-years-221987

And while I think the issue of on and off-field violence is a problematic one in Chinese football, I thought Tom Sermanni’s verbal attack on the AFC was indicative of this insular attitude held by some that sees Australia as victims of (or victimised by) playing in Asia rather than us being willing and co-operative participants.

It is just a big junket scam to weasel out bucket loads of money from gullible cities desperate to be an olympic city.

China’s real problem isn’t its diminished standing. This is the symptom.

I might disagree with you but that isn’t a personal slight on you. I am just pointing out why you will get defensive responces in that instance.

We should stay on topic to what the article is about, the on field violence and crowd trouble, but I think most has allready been said.

Nevertheless, I defend your rights to disagree.

Just as there are bad losers there are bad winners, suggesting Australia played poor when the referee was very bad is something I wouldn’t do if the situation was reversed.
If Australia won and got lucky with refereeing decisions I wouldn’t call the opponents poor, I can’t remember ever calling any of Australia’s opponents poor.

Referee might be a factor (althogh they are not appointed by Chinese FA), but I don’t see how the crowds affact the Australian players performace. Keep in mind that the bad crowd behavior happened after the brawl between two teams, when the game has already ended.

IndyBull is right. You can go to through Chinese media, electronic or not, and find how scathingly critical Chinese football supporters are of their national teams and the FA. The state media provides a forum for debate on it like no other subject. It’s one of the beautiful things about football.

Mushi- FIFA are unlikely to be impressed by the state of anything related to football in China. Which frankly has more influence on awarding World Cups than political considerations.

The result of the game is not so important here, but don’t you think it is rude to call Australia’s performance poor considering the circumstances and performance of the referee?

We weren’t asking for the result to change. Mike is pointing out there are amny examples of violent bahavior in Chinese football. This is not something ususally covered in Australia.

Talking about the behavior, several points you might not see from the free media:
1. One Australian player said “Fxxk” to a little kid (less than 10 years old) when he mistakenly threw ball into the field (two kids didn’t coordinate well).
2. Young Australian girls damaged many equipments in the locker room after the game.
3. The Australian coach throw a bottle of water onto the ground in the after-game press conference, and almost hit one reporter.

I have to say that none of these behavior (Australian) matches and justifies what the crowds did after the game. And I understand the frustration why they did that. I just want to throw in the point that every story has two sides.

The result of the game could be different if the referee made better judgment, but the refs are appointed by the AFC, not the Chinese FA (I really don’t think they are that scared).

You were the person who brought up performance, the article didn’t talk about the Matildas deserving to win at all, it didn’t even talk about the loss. You were the first to mention poor performance of either team in a matter not regarding behaviour.

So I responded, I was just defending the players against your critisism, the score ended 2-1 away from home, the performance could be improved but with a different referee they could have had a different result. No one blamed anyone outside of the team for the result in the Japanese game.

China Daily doesn’t even mention the crowd throwing projectiles.

China is every expansion focused sports body’s darling. Football is one of the most money focused sports, let alone their desire to be the global number one code (as in first choice on each contient).

If the Olympics can be awarded despite political opposition and human rights concerns do you really think a football world cup, in a far more chian tolerant climate, wouldn’t get through?

If you read Chinese, go to find out how many Chinese articles criticize the Chinese FA, the Chinese U19 team, the refs, and the Wuhan crowds. The incompetence of Chinese FA has significantly damaged the development of this sport in China in the last 20 years. These stem from the fans, the media, and the sponsors. Chinese knows it, and will change in the years to come (hopefully not too far).

The surprising fact is that how little the FREE Australian media talk about the technical side of this (Australian) team and how they should improve in the future. Although it is convenient to blame the “scared” referee and hostile Chinese environment, it is rather pathetic. I still cannot make the link between “Australian lost game” and “the crowds are not friendly”. The refs are chosen by the Asian FA, not Chinese one, although neither of them are great.

If this happened in Austarlia there would have more than one article about it.

For the Young Matildas, they should and will move on. Keep blaming Chinese FA doesn’t do much good.

But I don’t understand why Australian are interested in this, and I don’t agree that refs made mistake because they are scared. In addition to the pictures you see, I also see one picture with a Chinese player laying on the ground (after the brawl). Not trying to find any excuse for the Chinese, and I cannot, but the story always has both sides.

IndyBull – as others (and indeed myself) have pointed out, the incident with the Young Matildas was just one of several that involved Chinese crowds turning against opposition teams.

Pip – Sepp Blatter seems to be the kind of guy who does the round saying what each local federation wants to hear before jetting off to repeat the same mantra in the next locale. That said though, his suggestion that he’d like to see the U.S. host another World Cup is a crippling blow for an Australian bid.

Tom – obviously the Chinese FA is as guilty as anyone when it comes to some of the problems that seem unique to the Chinese game. A clean up from the top might help, but that’ll probably be a long time in coming.

What make it a Chinese problem is the fact that the same issues are not faced by any of its neighbours to anything close to the same degree. Even Vietnam, which experiences occasional crowd antics, does not experience the same problems as often and certainly not on the pitch.

I think you don’t understand who we are upset with. In China I don’t think the players are the problem. There are a lot of talented players but the administration is bad.

The players behavior is a product of how the assosiation is run. They have to treat all Chinese equally
If they punished players for diving at the CSL level you wouldn’t see it very often at the National Team level. If they made sure the referees were clean from corruption the fans would be much less frustrated and if they demoted the clubs that can’t control their fans the problem of bad fan behavior would soon go away.

If Manchester united play Barcelona in Spain in the Champions League there may be some refereeing mistakes but not like this. If the referee moved a foul from inside the box to outside the box then he would never referee again. The officials don’t just say tough bikies, they admit there mistake and try to improve. In China it’s a case of “lets not release the footage of the last 10 minutes and pretend nothing happened” because we got the win. If this happened in Australia to the Chinese girls we would be embarrassed and we wouldn’t be celebrating the victory.

I don’t want too see Asian football stuck in this culture of cover up and happy to accept poor refereeing and crowd behaviour. Football will never reach it’s potential that way, Australia’s football future is linked to China. If China did well and won the game fairly we would all want them to do well in the World Cup and get more spots for Asia. If what happened between Beijing and Tianjin was done in the ACL it would damage the competitions reputation with sponsors and media companies. That competition is important to Australia’s future.

I didn’t curse Chinese football, I cursed the attitude you have in that what happened was all ok and we should just get used to it. There is a big difference between a hostile atmosphere and actual projectiles being thrown. That’s why I am not happy because I don’t want this to be the case in 20 years time. I don’t want China to only be able to win at home because the ref is scared and then go to the world cup and get embarrassed because their diving tricks and trying to intimidate the referee don’t work at that level. I don’t want too see 15 year old girls getting bottles thrown at them or officials (from both sides I guess, although I have only seen the picture of the Chinese one) grabbing young girls.

Instead you just blame Australia…yet scenes like this aren’t happening in the A League.