Three simple facts say Australian rugby is on the up
By gatesy, 19 Aug 2009 gatesy is a Roar Guru
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Three seemingly unrelated events have occurred recently. You might find this fanciful, but when I connect the dots, it becomes interesting.
First, the most apparently insignificant of the three, at first glance at least, was that the final of the Australian Schoolboys Championships was played recently between Queensland (nothing unusual there) and Combined States! Not NSW as is usually the case.
While Queensland won, Combined States put up a pretty good show.
What does this mean?
Maybe it means that rugby is beginning to even itself out around the states a little bit at the rookie level. There is no question that the strength of the game at schoolboy level still lies with the Brisbane and Sydney GPS schools. But perhaps the field is coming back a little.
Queensland can consistently win at that level, but then they lose those guys – a classic example is Matt Toomua, who I rate as the best young prospect in Australia.
How Queensland let him get away beggars belief!
The second thing? NZRU blocked Taranaki’s bid for inclusion in the Super 15.
No real surprise there, but to me, that says that NZRU is finally admitting that NZ Rugby has limitations in terms of player numbers and dollars.
The third? O’Regan Hoskins (chairman of SANZAR, but a South African official) proposes that the Southern Kings and the Victorian franchise merge.
Really? Is that a sign that the South African franchise is clinging to the wreckage?
The Victorians have only been trying to break into the main game for about a hundred years. They have some fairly heavyweight people on board, and if the three bidders do get together, then you would have to think that it’s a lay down misere that the bid will come first, with daylight a distant second.
And without any help from South Africa, which will be neither needed nor asked for.
You can just imagine how the Vic boys would welcome a merger with a bunch of South Africans after all that they have been trying to achieve, particularly when you see how poorly at least three of the five South African franchises have performed over the last few years.
What possible advantage would there be to Victoria to merge with the Southern Kings – does anyone even know where they are from?
I’m guessing that the Victorian ethos is “full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes!”
So what do my three seemingly unrelated facts have in common?
Well, I believe that, taken together, they show that Australian rugby is on the improve and that New Zealand South African rugby are “flat-lining”.
There are some that might say, “but look at how dominant the Boks currently are.”
But to them I say, Super Rugby is not Test standard rugby and it is hardly relevant – particularly when you consider that the re-vamped format of Super 15 (the conferences) will even out the challenges that are currently experienced with the demands of the travel that currently are in place with Super 14.
That the boys from the Combined States have brought competition to the ‘guns’ shows me that the standards are rising. Ergo, the available pool, in the next five to ten years will grow.
In Australia, we suffer from the malaise of “we need to get it perfect from the starting gun”. If that is the case, you will never get it right.
So what if we don’t always have all Australian teams in the finals. We may have none for a year or three (though I doubt it with the way the Brumbies are looking for next year). But even if we don’t, we need to see it as an investment in developing our game.
Every businessman understands investing in your business – there is always a bit of a penalty, but that doesn’t stop people from taking the gamble.
There is probably no question that from a sponsorship, media and professionalism standpoint, Melbourne (Victoria) can pull off what most other franchises could not.
No problems there.
So we jump across the precipice, we back ourselves and in a few years we see the rewards. Lots of winning teams (maybe even the Waratahs can fluke a title, eventually!)
What does everyone else think?
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August 19th 2009 @ 3:08pm
AndyRoo said | August 19th 2009 @ 3:08pm | Report comment
Merger makes perfect sense to me. Victoria has none or few Super 14 quality players, so the Southern Kings don’t need their own team, they can send there players to Victoria
August 19th 2009 @ 3:40pm
mushi said | August 19th 2009 @ 3:40pm | Report comment
With you Hammer it isn’t the “facts” it is the wild assumptions as to what each “fact” means
August 19th 2009 @ 3:52pm
mushi said | August 19th 2009 @ 3:52pm | Report comment
Sorry that was meant to come across as I agree with you hammer
August 19th 2009 @ 3:56pm
AndyS said | August 19th 2009 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
I agree wholeheartedly with the first point – the schoolboys result can only bode well for Australian rugby. But I don’t see how either of the next two points indicate that Aussie rugby is “on the up”. That they might indicate NZ and SA rugby have reached a logistical barrier is certainly possible (“flat-lining” was a poor choice of phrase, with a number of negative connotations), but I don’t see how that in any way reflects the game in Australia other than, perhaps, as a relative measure indicating we have a better chance of achieving parity in number of Super teams. What that will achieve in terms of improving Aus rugby is separately arguable, but in itself is indicative of nothing.
August 19th 2009 @ 4:08pm
True Tah said | August 19th 2009 @ 4:08pm | Report comment
AndyS
the issues re: the Southern Kings are basically this…historically South Africa has had 5 big teams, which are loosely based on the current Super 14 sides. These sides tend to dominate the currie cup.
The failure of Eastern Province rugby is one of the major failings of South African rugby. They seem to produce quite a lot of good players who play elsewhere. It is one of the few places where black South Africans have traditionally had rugby as their no.1 sport, even during apartheid. Port Elizabeth is a fairly large commercial city which could financially support a Super rugby side. The provincial union owns the stadium…Hell the team is even called the Mighty Elephants!!
Despite all this, EP has nothing to show for it. They are abysmal in the 2nd division of the Currie Cup, despite competing against sides from far smaller areas. SARU is hoping to use super rugby to fix this up. When you look at the Griquas who come from a much larger area with a much smaller population base, you have to wonder what EP did wrong?
August 19th 2009 @ 4:10pm
Pippinu said | August 19th 2009 @ 4:10pm | Report comment
Viscount asks:
“Can someone explain to me why rugger isn’t more popular in Victoria? Is there some historical reason for it?”
Folks – should I provide my stock standard thesis length response? or shall I attempt to do it in 25 words or less?
August 19th 2009 @ 4:20pm
AndyS said | August 19th 2009 @ 4:20pm | Report comment
See if you can do it in limerick or haiku form….
August 19th 2009 @ 4:49pm
Pippinu said | August 19th 2009 @ 4:49pm | Report comment
Hmm, a tall order, but I’ll give it a go.
The answer to Viscount’s question as a limerick:
In 1858 some rich PS blokes wanted to have a kick
Their game was drawing 10,000 by ’66
They tried to export it
A handful of aussies bought it
And thus has it remained for that game with four sticks
August 19th 2009 @ 5:01pm
Brett McKay said | August 19th 2009 @ 5:01pm | Report comment
Gold Pip, gold….
Though I would’ve been really impressed if you could’ve worked Linda Blair in there somehow
August 19th 2009 @ 5:16pm
Pippinu said | August 19th 2009 @ 5:16pm | Report comment
don’t tempt me Brett!!
August 21st 2009 @ 8:34pm
craigb said | August 21st 2009 @ 8:34pm | Report comment
back in the gold rush
they worked hard and football’s soft
so they went with that
August 21st 2009 @ 8:36pm
craigb said | August 21st 2009 @ 8:36pm | Report comment
they had lots of shirts,
tight shorts but no sleeves at all
so football made sense
August 21st 2009 @ 8:39pm
craigb said | August 21st 2009 @ 8:39pm | Report comment
victorians suck
so they needed a game where
missing gets you points
August 19th 2009 @ 4:49pm
Republican said | August 19th 2009 @ 4:49pm | Report comment
Standards are rising obviously in the non Union demographics when you take into account what is happening at Schools level union. The Combined states comprise mostly of Vic and WA players so you would have to deduce that because these non Union states are gradually showing signs improvement so too is the game throughout the country.
Conversley there appears to be a significant decline in standards at this level in traditional Union nurseries i.e. the ACT whose form has been extremely dissapointing in recent years and which could see them demoted to Div Two along side Tassie, S.A. N.T, and the Idig team. WA and Vic would then assume their very own identity in Div One. The poor form has also been evidenced by the struggling Qld and NSW # Two teams that make up Div One. All this would indicate a shallowing of depth in all these traditional Union states.
Union is without a doubt a very small player in Oz compared to the other football codes, so again it begs the question as to whether this is more an illusion of growth that needs to be off set by considering what is happening in the traditional heartlands, rather than focusing soley on the new frontiers?
August 19th 2009 @ 5:31pm
MyGeneration said | August 19th 2009 @ 5:31pm | Report comment
If someone presented this article to me as evidence for investing in Australian Rugby, I would keep my money in my wallet and put my wallet in a safe, and lose the combination. Sorry, it didn’t really convince me.
August 19th 2009 @ 6:12pm
gatesy said | August 19th 2009 @ 6:12pm | Report comment
You can’t please ‘em all – on the whole, it was reasonably well received…..even if I did write it late at night over a few reds .. and I still like the “flat lining” concept.
I did not mean to imply that SA and NZ Rugby was on the decline – only a fool would postulate that, but I did mean to imply that, at this point in Australian Rugby’s journey, things are positive relative to those two countries, and that is based on logistic considerations.
With the 7′s about to be included in the Olympics, the game of Rugby will gain a lot more visibility, so where we go from here is anyone’s guess. Another good debate looming.
August 19th 2009 @ 6:15pm
MyGeneration said | August 19th 2009 @ 6:15pm | Report comment
I think I’d prefer investing in a few reds myself, just not the Queensland Reds
August 20th 2009 @ 12:25pm
Bay35Pablo said | August 20th 2009 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
I think you meant plateauing. Flat lining appears to have gotten to some people as suggesting death knell.
August 19th 2009 @ 6:19pm
sheek said | August 19th 2009 @ 6:19pm | Report comment
Gatesy,
Combining the headlines from both your’s & Rickety Knee’s posts, we can conclude the future of Australian rugby is on the up at the crossroads!?
Having consumed some beautiful reds last night, you must be alright!!
August 28th 2009 @ 3:49pm
Westy said | August 28th 2009 @ 3:49pm | Report comment
The victorian bids are cooperating wonderfully . Its official now they all hate each others guts and the Sydney funded ARU controlled Vicsuper consortium has won. Wonderful grassroots support.