Having a football team in Townsville is crazy
By Doyles, 26 Aug 2009 Doyles is a Roar Rookie
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Prior to the start of this year’s A-League competition, all the talk was of the two new clubs, Gold Coast United and North Queensland Fury. Barely three weeks into the competition, and some serious problems are apparent at one of those clubs.
Something must be done, and soon, to reverse the fortunes of the Fury, lest it fall off the sporting radar.
Even by Australian standards, Townsville is not a large city.
With a population of less than 150,000, Townsville is less than a tenth of the size of Brisbane and less than 3 percent of the size of Sydney, not exactly the numbers that would provide a compelling case for a team.
This is particularly evident when one considers that both Sydney FC and Brisbane Roar are averaging crowds south of the 15,000 mark (even with their substantial population bases).
In addition to these less-than-appealing facts, Townsville is rugby league mad (the North Queensland Cowboys have the third highest crowds in the entire National Rugby League).
All things considered, the decision to base a team in Townsville is nothing short of perplexing.
Evidently someone in the FFA or Fury management realised at the last moment that perhaps the people of Townsville were not going to flock to see a group of men they had never heard of before playing a sport that they did not know an awful lot about (especially with Thurston and company playing at the same ground every other weekend).
Thus the search for a messiah was begun.
This messiah came in the form of Robbie Fowler, and the Australian football community gazed on in awe.
Hardly anyone in the football fraternity could believe an Australian club was capable of signing such a big name player. However, one large problem was that while the Australian football community may have heard of Robbie Fowler, the average resident of Townsville (and the average Australian) could not tell him from Karl Dodd.
Things have not improved for the Fury now that the A-League season has started.
Crowds have been well below expectations (crowds of 8,897 and 6,514 flying in the face of owner Don Matheson’s prediction of “ten to twelve thousand”) and on field performances have hardly set the league alight (5-0 anyone?).
I cannot see the crowds improving in the future – especially if the results continue to be so poor.
Everything about the Fury has, to date, been disappointing. The crowds, the results, the jersey and even the name have been met with widespread derision.
One can only hope that something happens soon to turn the fortunes of this club around. If not, the FFA has two options: either to step in and attempt to make the Fury artificially successful or to simply pull the plug on the team altogether.
Neither of these options are particularly palatable, but both are infinitely preferable to the long term damage the A-League could incur if the Fury continue on their present trajectory.
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August 26th 2009 @ 10:14am
AndyRoo said | August 26th 2009 @ 10:14am | Report comment
I only worry about their bottom line and hope their still around in 5 years. Then they will be alright and part of the landscape.
August 28th 2009 @ 1:45pm
DT said | August 28th 2009 @ 1:45pm | Report comment
Me too. Fury will survive and prosper if they can make it through the first few seasons without haemorrhaging too much money. Am hoping crowds pick once the NRL is over. Cowboys had good attendances despite losing almost every home game for the first five years, and the Suns (now Crocs) sold out their first 69 games in a row. Community engagement is a key, but I’ve been impressed with the run they’ve been given so far in the local media
August 26th 2009 @ 10:17am
whiskeymac said | August 26th 2009 @ 10:17am | Report comment
“continue the trend of statistical misuse for a second – the Fury have lost 33% of their games by 5 goals and have scored a goal in just 33% of their games.!”
statistically how many games are there left to go in the season??? Doyles i fear you suffer from premature speculation.
August 26th 2009 @ 10:22am
Doyles said | August 26th 2009 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Hopefully you appreciate that I said that with my tongue firmly in cheek. It was merely to point out how dangerous it can be to misuse statistics – especially when talking about a very small sample size. By no means do I expect the Fury to lose a third of their games by that margin! You will note I have not yet declared the Fury a failure – I have however pointed out that should things continue as is there is no doubt where the Fury will end up.
August 26th 2009 @ 10:41am
DiCanio said | August 26th 2009 @ 10:41am | Report comment
Whiskey
ha ha ha ha
August 26th 2009 @ 10:36am
Brian said | August 26th 2009 @ 10:36am | Report comment
Average of 7,000 seems fine given its August. Soon the cowboys season will be over and there will be no other prof sports up there so add 3,000 sport diehards and viola you have 10,000 attending games. The opportunities for the Fury are there, especially when you consider their proximity to SE Asia, playing a few games in Cairns wouldnt hurt either
August 26th 2009 @ 10:45am
DiCanio said | August 26th 2009 @ 10:45am | Report comment
‘consider their proximity to SE Asia’
Now we are thinking
August 27th 2009 @ 11:35am
Mushi said | August 27th 2009 @ 11:35am | Report comment
Yep we’re thinking magical fairy dust will all of a sudden lead south east asia to mistake the typical north queenslander for one of their asian brethren.
August 27th 2009 @ 11:39am
Redb said | August 27th 2009 @ 11:39am | Report comment
Mushi,
I dont think many here have been to Townsville, on the surface it has very little Asian influence, Cairns yes, Townsville I dont think so.
Redb
August 27th 2009 @ 12:04pm
AndyRoo said | August 27th 2009 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
I am not sure what the oppurtunities are.
Obviously if they make the ACL then they along with Gold Coast would receive a lot of away fans (great place for a holiday)
Day to Day advantages I can’t think of any that aren’t available to other teams.
August 28th 2009 @ 10:12am
DT said | August 28th 2009 @ 10:12am | Report comment
A few advantages off the top of my head:
1) Players. Southeast Asia is still one of the great untapped resources of playing talent for the A-League. It’s just a matter of time before we see more SE Asian players in the league, and will happen sooner rather than later if Surat Sukha is a success for MV. Southeast Asian players are surely more likely to make a smooth transition to team based closer to home in a tropical climate.
2) The climate. A lot has been made about the home ground advantage that the Fury will gain when games are played in the hot and humid summer months. Don’t know about you, but I’d be looking for players from Indonesia/Malaysia/Thailand etc before Scotland to exploit that advantage to the fullest!
3) Corporate partnerships. There’s a lot of Asian mining and tourism money in North Queensland. This is probably the most important point for the suits at Fury and the FFA.
4) Asian Champions League. OK, so the Fury aren’t going to get a run in the ACL for quite a few seasons yet, but as the ACL grows in prestige and brings in more money all A-League clubs are going to have to start positioning themselves to not just win the League, but to win games on a regular basis in Asia. Just look at how the Socceroos bombed in the Asian cup, not least because they couldn’t handle the conditions, and you’ll see the natural advantage the Fury might have – at least against SE Asian opposition (perhaps not so much in northern Japan or Uzbekistan).
5) HAL Socceroos. If the Fury (or any other team) can position themselves as Asia-savvy it’s only going to benefit the representative chances of players for home-based Socceroos forays into Asia. If nothing else, Fury players will be conditioned to playing in the heat and humidity.
August 28th 2009 @ 10:36am
DT said | August 28th 2009 @ 10:36am | Report comment
Just adding to the last point, that representative opportunities will come up for home-based Socceroos matches in Asia certainly isn’t lost on the likes of Williams, Stefanutto, Sterjovski, Coyne and Burns. Fury players, acclimatised to the heat and humidity, will have a slight advantage when games in Southeast Asia come around. If Fury builds on this strength (sign a couple of Southeast Asian players, lots of pre-season games agains Asian opposition etc) it will benefit the Fury players and the team itself. The Socceroos will almost certainly base themselves in the north for future Asian Cup camps and so on, right on the Fury’s doorstep. If Fury can make this into a real advantage for their players it can only help attract more quality players up north.
August 28th 2009 @ 10:54am
AndyRoo said | August 28th 2009 @ 10:54am | Report comment
DT excellent posts.
It seems a shame we only get 2 spots in Asian club competition. Since we are not getting the full 4 spots in the ACL it would seem fair that we should get a couple of spots in the 2nd tier cup to prove we deserve more. But then I don’t think that’s the purpose of the cup and without the big east asian teams proabbly is a big drop off in quality.
If those things were built up I guess it would make sence to set up a centre where you could get your Fifa coaching licenses in Nth Qld too and try and attract the SE Asia market. Could be handy attracting players too, if your a 29/30 year old J league pro a couple of years playing for the Fury, learning english and gettign your coaching license seems like a good idea.
August 26th 2009 @ 10:47am
chook said | August 26th 2009 @ 10:47am | Report comment
Cairns is a good call, probably one or 2 games would help.
August 26th 2009 @ 10:58am
Doyles said | August 26th 2009 @ 10:58am | Report comment
Cairns could have some potential – after all the Cowboys got 14,000 there once. But I wouldn’t bank the fortunes of the club on a couple of home games in Cairns each season.
August 26th 2009 @ 5:25pm
midfield general said | August 26th 2009 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
More passion for football in Cairns. Produced Farina, Corica, Thwaite, Shroij and now Minnecon. Can’t think of anyone from Townsville.
August 26th 2009 @ 5:31pm
Pippinu said | August 26th 2009 @ 5:31pm | Report comment
I thought Corica came from Ingham??
Anyway, it’s a bit premature to start worrying about whether the Fury should be moved around the joint.
August 26th 2009 @ 10:45am
chook said | August 26th 2009 @ 10:45am | Report comment
I feel that football in all of Qld has a long way to go. While the amount of people playing football in Qld is still played alot it is still behind the combined touch / league.
League 87,000
Football (outdoor) 171,000
Indoor 85,000
Touch Football 198,00
AFL 46,000
Rugby 28,800
Frankly I was suprised at the Fury got the nod but if they can get 6,000 – 8,000 a game I think that is decent considering that NJ and CCM have a similar popualtion.
Similar with GCU 10,000 should be the norm but with the the Queensland transport taxing the Gold Coast for any crowd over 5000 why would Palmer want more to come.?
I think that the Brisbane Roar have a greater problem with only 7000 odd at the last game. With a city of 1 million people some thing is wrong. they get a penalty from Suncorp for any crowd under 15,000 and they are bleeding money at an alarming rate. There is a very good chance that the Brisbane will stuggle to support a team in the coming years.
I suggest that if the Queensland teams can limit the number of games that clash with the NRL the better, if you are a sports fan and the choice is football or league most brisbane people will watch league. If the Qld teams can have the first game for the season in August then one game in September. Then make up the short fall across the rest of the season. At the moment the Roar have 5/8 home games in August and September. when it should be 2 games.
A- league football in Qld should not even think about playing during the league season, league is far to popluar and is far to intrenched as a sport in Qld.
August 26th 2009 @ 11:03am
Doyles said | August 26th 2009 @ 11:03am | Report comment
You raise a good point about Queensland – it seems perplexing to me that the FFA would put three teams there when the state has a weak soccer history. By comparison soccer is quite popular in Victoria (and it has a much larger and more affluent population) and there is only one team there.
August 26th 2009 @ 1:08pm
AndyRoo said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
Well I think they had an understanding not to provide any competition to Sydney and Melbourne for 5 years and outside of Melbourne it’s hard to find a place in Victoria for a football team that wants it.
Those teams are coming now and regional teams like Gold Coast and Townsville probably need longer to grow so the sooner there in the better. Get them in there providing a pathway to the local kids and hopefully they turn out like the CCM (off the field not on) which also struggled financially in their first year.
August 26th 2009 @ 1:24pm
JF said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
Since when are Victorians more affluent than Queenslanders???
August 26th 2009 @ 1:34pm
Doyles said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
My apologies to Queenslanders. It would seem the GSP per capita figures have shifted since I last looked at them. As it is both states are about even (Queensland are very slighty ahead). Regardless – it only takes a quick look at average crowd figures to realise there is much more demand for soccer in Victoria than Queensland.
August 26th 2009 @ 10:55am
Pippinu said | August 26th 2009 @ 10:55am | Report comment
Yeh but Fos tells us that won’t be the case within the next 20 years – so chin up.
August 26th 2009 @ 11:15am
chook said | August 26th 2009 @ 11:15am | Report comment
I agree its a long term deal, I just hope that the FFA and all fans see that. Footballl has the following at participation rate in Qld but so much work has to be done. Im a long suffering football fan who grew up in league heart land. Warrens book sheilas, poofters and wogs was pretty much what describes what people thought of football 20 years ago where i grew up. So you can gather what the perception of football is in Qld. Im in it for the long haul who what ever team is in Brisbane
August 26th 2009 @ 11:22am
Brian said | August 26th 2009 @ 11:22am | Report comment
Games in August have to go somewhere. Melbourne not good cause the dome’s surface is AFL affected and the weather is cold. However the point is valid and the HAL should try to schedule more August games in NZ, Gosford, Adelaide or Perth. (This week is probably the last week of any AFL in Adelaide or Perth)
Regarding SE Asia why not a home game in Singapore. The fury should recruit some Singapore Intls and then play some home games there those players, Fowler & Co. Done right I would think they would get a lot more than 10,000. Singapore ain’t for the poor either.
August 26th 2009 @ 11:32am
Doyles said | August 26th 2009 @ 11:32am | Report comment
As it is Singapore’s biggest Stadium at present has a capacity of just 6,000 (their national stadium is being rebuilt at the moment). Singapore isn’t exactly sport-mad either.
August 26th 2009 @ 11:29am
Pippinu said | August 26th 2009 @ 11:29am | Report comment
In 20 years time, when the A-League becomes the number one competition in the land, with a 10 month season, there will be no possibility of sharing grounds with the rugby codes.
The Fury would have to take over Dairy Farmers, and the Cowboys would be turfed out.
August 26th 2009 @ 11:34am
Doyles said | August 26th 2009 @ 11:34am | Report comment
While we are at it the Victory and Heart will fill the MCG and Ethiad each week and the AFL teams will be relegated to their traditional grounds. The Broncos will of course have to play at Ballymore.
August 26th 2009 @ 11:43am
True Tah said | August 26th 2009 @ 11:43am | Report comment
Fossie himself will turn up to tell the Cowboys players that they are kidding themselves that they think they have a right to play at Dairy Farmers Stadium, and he will evict them himself.
Before long it will be forbidden for more than 10% of a team to touch a ball with their hands. Fossie will ensure that any transgression of this rule will be like Islamic law, i.e. your hand will be cut off.
August 26th 2009 @ 12:02pm
Pippinu said | August 26th 2009 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
Ok, I see we are now starting to come to grip’s with Fos’ edicts!!
August 26th 2009 @ 12:14pm
AndyRoo said | August 26th 2009 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
Ok can we keep that to the crazy threads that are about Foz’s delusions.
August 26th 2009 @ 1:02pm
chook said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
Pippinu,
lol
I some how dont think that would happen but im willing to admit im wrong if it does happen.
August 26th 2009 @ 1:50pm
DiCanio said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:50pm | Report comment
If everyone Belives the gospel of Fozzie then it will inevitably come true
Now lets done our rags and robes and get out there preaching
‘Have you accepted Craig Foster and our Lord and footballing saviour?’
August 26th 2009 @ 12:27pm
Onside said | August 26th 2009 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
A hypothetical question
If Fury were winning,would this article have been written.OK so they are not winning.
But what if the FFA unearth another private owner or consortium with the wherewithall
to bankroll a more competitive squad,and the crowds were still there abouts ,or maybe
a little better,would this put a different slant on things.There’s a few bob up that way and
if The Fury consolidates ,as I am sure they will,then it will attrack more financial interest.
Its funny how some people see things as a league VS football thing.The day might come
when many people support both codes.There’s not much on offer in that part of Queensland
and young people growing up will play BOTH games.Its a given.One day a local lad will
firstly pull on a Fury shirt ,and then intime a Socceroos shirt.It will happen.All Townsville
needs is a local hero.But in the meantime kids will play league on Saturday ,football on
Sunday and maybe union on Friday night.Doesn’t matter.I am not qualified to say this ,but
I would not be surprised if kids are better overall athletes by playing different codes when
growing up.Its fun. And even if a youngster chooses league over football ,and then excells
at the code,football still benifits , because people will acknowledge cross code skills help
make a better player.In a way I see this as an advantage other countries dont have.They
dont have the diversity of codes that all kids grow up with.Ok I got of topic a bit,but I sure
hope Townsville hang in there for a few seasons and then they will be right.Queensland
Nickel is the major sponsor of The Fury.Clive Palmer owns Queensland Nickel. Mr Palmer is
not missing a meal.I dont think he will standby and watch the name of the club he vicariously
sponsors in Townsville change from The Fury to The Titanic any time soon.
August 26th 2009 @ 1:27pm
True Tah said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
Onside – I dont think Clive Palmer misses too many meals to be honest.
And I dont believe that many in the futbol community think its worthwhile playing sports other than futbol, so the idea of kids playing all codes is a bit far fetched.
August 26th 2009 @ 3:40pm
Onside said | August 26th 2009 @ 3:40pm | Report comment
True Tah
(I live two hours north of Brisbane.)
To be more specific,many boys right up to year 12 play several codes.
It is not unusual for boys to play football on one day and AFL the next.
At my sons school ,that is rugby orientated,pretty much all the boys also
play AFL.I have read many of your posts over the years and your views
are balanced.But mate,where I live, kids play union on Fridays and league
on Saturday.My daughter lives down at Lennox Head.My grandson plays
in the U13 rugby side.Most of the kids go to the local catholic school that
just recently won the state school championships held at Joeys in Sydney.
A bunch of these lads play two codes.I think there is a likelyhood ,especially
out of the city areas ,for kids to play two codes.Oh thats right,they also play
futsal.Its endless.If you can pump it up and kick it ,they are involved. None
of this is to say they dont have their favourite. They do. And the families
certainly do. But I reckon the kids are the way ahead, and will introduce
parents to another sport.Your probably right,its a bit far fetched saying the
kids play all codes.But two is certainly not unusual.One things for sure though
they get introduced to all codes through the school system.It just camre to
mind,our striker in U17 football is a representative touch football player.
True Tah,its might be a bit different up this way.
August 26th 2009 @ 1:29pm
Redb said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
not much on offer?, no just the Great Barrier Reef and I dunno a million islands.
Redb
August 26th 2009 @ 1:54pm
DiCanio said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:54pm | Report comment
I’ve seen what happens when you take futbol to an aboriginal community.
These kids were meant to play this game.
There are so many benefits to the long term exitence of the Fury, they just arent all necessarily bottom line financial over the next 5 years.
August 26th 2009 @ 3:43pm
Onside said | August 26th 2009 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
Di Canio,Cant wait.Absolutely cant wait to link up with aboriginal athletes that start playing football.
August 26th 2009 @ 3:41pm
Onside said | August 26th 2009 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
Redb,Yeah,one little misery after the other.Costs a bit but.
August 26th 2009 @ 1:49pm
chook said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
I still think that the Fury took Fowler around Cairns, telling him it was suburb of Townsville.
August 27th 2009 @ 8:21am
Redb said | August 27th 2009 @ 8:21am | Report comment
Cairns is a different kettle of fish to Townsville. Amongst the league and soccer, it has a strong AFL comp and community, Cazalys,etc.
Redb