By Richard Landels
August 26th 2009 @ 1:59am
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The Tuqiri saga: what was all that about?
There was news released yesterday that the ARU and Lote Tuqiri have reached a settlement that. If you believe what has been written, this means that Tuqiri is happier than the ARU.
While I am pleased this saga is over, I remain very curious as to how and why this occurred. Tuqiri, while not performing at the highest level while playing on the field, was certainly another option for the coaching staff to consider.
He seemed popular with his team mates and he was very popular with the supporters, particularly with the kids.
While I don’t have any dislike for any members of the current Wallabies squad, there aren’t too many that have much broad appeal. This is especially emphasised if you ask the kids who their favorite player is: 9 out of ten would say Tuqiri.
He always had time to talk and sign autographs after the games and would always have a chat – he is a pretty approachable guy. We can see this in the way that he still wants to play for the Pirates.
So what has the ARU achieved?
The negatives first.
1. they are out of pocket;
2. they have lost one of their most popular players;
3. in the publics’ mind, they have come across as bullies;
4. they have lost a good (not great) outside back option.
And now for the positives.
Um, ah, I’m sure they have their reasons, but I cannot think of any at the moment.
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Jolly Jupes said | August 26th 2009 @ 2:10am | Report comment
Gives them a reason for failure perhaps?
Dave said | August 26th 2009 @ 5:49am | Report comment
Although Lote was over rated i thaink after the last three losses we have seen that he is better than what we have presently. I also tend to think that the way he was treated is now being reflected in the lack of drive and motivation shown on the field. The players seem to have the enthusiasm of a wet sock. They don’t seem to get punished for playing bad but get booted for god knows what!
matt said | August 26th 2009 @ 6:37am | Report comment
There’s no way we would have lost any games this year if we still had Lote. ..and if we still had Dell and Rogers we would have put cricket scores on the Boks and Blacks. (Yeah, I am joking).
MyGeneration said | August 26th 2009 @ 9:18am | Report comment
Yeah, but if we had Brad Thorn…
craigb said | August 26th 2009 @ 8:02am | Report comment
i seriously doubt they are out of pocket. I’m sure if it came to that and JON was sure oif his gournd ( I believe he was) we would have been happy to play it out in court. You can say many things about him, but he has never shied away from a stoush.
I also don’t see how they are bullies. If Lote was honestly hard done by he would have been happy to explain his side of the story. His silence is evidence of something less than honourable in his actions that led to this.
POSITIVES
Money that was going to Lote and be put to use elsewhere
Players now know if they stuff up they’re out
An overrated player is no longer taking up space in a wallaby squad
Brett McKay said | August 26th 2009 @ 8:46am | Report comment
Craig, I agree. The ARU wll probably always cop the flak for “buying silence” on this issue, but I too always thought O’Neill wouldn’t have taken the extreme action he did without a strong case to back it up. We don’t always like the way JO’N conducts his business, but I think most of us agree he’s a smart operator. I’d be surprised if there was much negotiating over the settlement. I’d imagine Tuqiri jumped at it..
Jolly Jupes said | August 26th 2009 @ 8:51am | Report comment
Brett it was implied in the Australian that Tuqiri knocked back their first offer and they spent a day negotiating so it hardly appears to be a case of Tuqiri “jumping at it”. This started in June and is now the end of August so it has been anything but impulsive
Brett McKay said | August 26th 2009 @ 9:05am | Report comment
But Jupes, we won’t really know how long ago offers of settlement were made, nor who initiated them. The SMH today is suggesting the figure is six figures (remainder of this year’s salary perhaps?), and the ARU apparantly put out the standard statement last night denying the figure was anywhere near that speculated in The Australian (up to $2M).
I guess what I mean is that Tuqiri – if there’s any element of truth in the rumours we’ve heard – has just as much to gain with the case ebing settled as the ARU does..
Hoy said | August 26th 2009 @ 8:17am | Report comment
Will be interesting to see what happens with the NRL. Gallop is wanting an explanation before any signing can take place.
rob mccourt said | August 26th 2009 @ 9:35am | Report comment
Hoy
I suspect that the only way the NRL will find out is if both Tuqiri and the ARU agree. The settlement I am sure is confidential as to money matters and bearing in mind that the Supreme Court refused publication of a ” sensitive ” paragraph in the Statement of Claim I would be surprised if that aspect of the matter was not also deemed confidential by both parties.
Yikes said | August 26th 2009 @ 8:29am | Report comment
Richard
Ummmm…. you can’t think of a positive? Try harder. How about:
1. We are no longer in a situation where if the details were revealed about what went on (to a tabloid perhaps), the ARU would be publicly pilloried by fans, the press, etc for a cover up – sweeping the issue under the carpet and not disciplining the player in question.
This especially in an environment where sports stars (and it seems these days mostly league players) are bringing their various games into disrepute with their off-field actions. Rugby in Australia has stood up and said – loudly – we don’t tolerate that crap. And if you’ve had your warnings and you stuff up again, you’re gone, no matter who you are.
How is that not a positive?
Jolly Jupes said | August 26th 2009 @ 8:45am | Report comment
Yikes – am happy to see a tough stand on behaviour. Pity its not universally applied. The members of the taxi cab incident in Capetown take a bow, those that threw the quokkas on Rottnest Island put your hands up, Mortlock drunkenly abusing the coaching staff in the hotel foyer in England, Matt Dunning various, George Smith numerous assault charges in Canberra that appear to have been fogotten, Giteau collapsing in nightclubs being dismissed as not significant, The food throwers I assume are on their last warning. There is not alot of league influence here (Peter Ryan was one of the Taxi five) but it would appear that things just keep cropping up. No problems with the hard line but if it is Giteau or Barnes I hope we are consistent. There are barely any Leaguies left so i assume everything will now will be Aok
Ed said | August 26th 2009 @ 5:17pm | Report comment
U got me interested. What happened with Mortlock abusing the coaching staff? What was he pissed off about?
Jolly Jupes said | August 26th 2009 @ 5:29pm | Report comment
In front of a couple of journos he was arguing with Scott Johnson in the hotel foyer a couple of years back. Might have been drunk from memory – it was reported in the press at the time, can’t remember the details
Mark Young said | August 26th 2009 @ 8:31am | Report comment
I agree, this doesn’t appear to have been a great moment in football administration.
Until is eventually leaks out exactly what he did we can only speculate.
At the moment it looks like JON was horrified at how much they were paying for a winger who wasn’t a guaranteed selection and jumped on the first moment to cut him lose.
But there is still that nagging possibility that he did something completely inappropriate and unpalatable to the average fan and they did a good thing in getting rid of him.
When the reason gets out, and it will, we can make our decisions then.
RickG said | August 26th 2009 @ 8:32am | Report comment
I’d just like someone to explain what it was all about to end the speculation.
Arky said | August 26th 2009 @ 8:41am | Report comment
If Lote was of little use to the Warathas how is it that he could be considered a saviour for the wallabies? Please all wake up and stop being so naive as to assume the ARU acted without good reason.
fred said | August 26th 2009 @ 8:42am | Report comment
the other day i read the sport pages of brisbane based courier times.as a rugby union follower what amazed me was 3 full pages of afl and league;page on soccer and then miscellaneous sport.the only rugby news was about league bound lote tuqiri a
lovely quarter pager having little to do with local or tri-nation comps.
I THOUGHT deans supposed man management skills would have brought out the loyalty ,discipline and focus required of those playing for the national team.but no, all the league boys are going home and discipline on the field is at an all time low;add to this the poor results and ridiculous tactics and the transparent spin and you wonder what jono must be thinking.SAD
fox said | August 26th 2009 @ 8:50am | Report comment
I know why he was fired. But I am not telling.
rich1612 said | August 26th 2009 @ 9:35am | Report comment
fox, why bother even saying that?
Mick Gold Coast QLD said | August 26th 2009 @ 11:11am | Report comment
No – I am Spartacus!
Lote said | August 26th 2009 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Please tell me
just joking;Onside.
fox said | August 26th 2009 @ 4:03pm | Report comment
Ha ha!
Jameswm said | August 26th 2009 @ 9:41am | Report comment
I think I know too but if I say on here it gets removed.
Lote did NOT want the reason to come out and therefore settled.
I agree with the others that this has been a positive for the ARU administration and Dempsey and RUPA should butt the f*** out. The ARU won’t cop the sort of behaviour League players offer and they’ll dump anyone no matter how high the profile.
By the way to Richard who wrote the article – Matt Giteau is the most popular player with the kids now, not Lote. And that was before Lote was sacked.
Doyles said | August 26th 2009 @ 9:44am | Report comment
Looks like it won’t be secret for long (if Tuqiri has any wish to play in the NRL).
Rah Rah Rasputin said | August 26th 2009 @ 10:35am | Report comment
James,
I think if the truth of the matter got out it would be just as damaging to the ARU as it would be to Lote. It was in the interests of both parties that the facts of the matter remained confidential.
There has been alot said in the papers about the possibility Lote “coming home” to the NRL. No doubt, if this was to happen the Daily Telegraph would hold it up as some sort grand validation that Rugby League is truly the greatest game on earth. Excuse me while I vomit!
I wonder, however, if the facts of the matter were made public, would the same paper (or any other Rugby League commentator) hesitate to crucify Lote in order to smear the ARU and Rugby Union in general.
Considering the year RL has had, I don’t think they woudl miss the chance!
El Capitan said | August 26th 2009 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Don’t be suprised if there is a clause in the settlement that forbids Lote to speak about the issue, as it will allow the ARU to regain the settlement payout.
I think he’ll look at the NRL, but will fly off to Japan or Europe and see out his seasons there, and then eventually come home and play NRL and no one will ever ask what was done.
reds fan said | August 26th 2009 @ 10:57am | Report comment
I like to think of this in terms of a couple friend that you once had.. they looked really good together. Then one day they break up.. you hear the guy dumped the girl. But you think, why would he do that? she’s really hot, and funny, and really into him? He gives some lame excuse and says you should ask her if you want to know why it didnt work out.
About six months later someone in a pub tells you the full story and you think… ahhhh he was right to dump her, and by not spreading around the reasons he was being quite a gentleman.
Consider the ease with which NSW agreed to the sacking. If it was merely a case of the ARU wanting to save money, the Tahs would have fought much harder. Oz rugby isnt so cosy that they’d just do as they are told.
An inglorious end to a admirable career. Best of luck to him. Well done ARU.
reds fan said | August 26th 2009 @ 11:02am | Report comment
and on the issue of the crowd pulling power of Lote – no where is the saying “the king is dead, long live the king” more aptly applied than sports. There is always another star. The NRL is absolute proof of that! How many stars have they burned through this season alone? Yet now they Hayne. All sports are like it. Someone retires and a new star emerges. That’s where you get the other saying – no one is bigger than the game.
reds fan said | August 26th 2009 @ 11:04am | Report comment
Barnes will be the new crowd puller for the Tahs. They wont miss Lote.
Old Pig said | August 26th 2009 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
Lote who………….?
Tony from Northbridge said | August 26th 2009 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
The ARU has not bought silence on the issue; they’ve sold it! Lote doesn’t want the reason(s) plastered all over the chip-wrappers. As for what have they gained? How about a saving of $3.6m over 4 years for starters.
9 out of 10 kids would not say Lote was their favourite. Matt Giteau is streets ahead, followed a fair way back by Lote and Berrick Barnes.
And just what is wrong with having the middle player of the front row in your hotel room?
nick said | August 26th 2009 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
ha ha ha ah ah aha ha – no2’s do it both ways for 40 minutes
stillmissit said | August 26th 2009 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
I think this solution serves both Lote and JoN well. Lote gets a payout, maybe not as much as he would have grabbed but enough and the story doesn’t come out, it is obvious he didn’t stick anything up his nose as he can play overseas and they would have nailed him for that. JoN gets rid of what he perceives as an issue following John Connolly, NSWRU and the ARU’s haste to renegotiate a huge deal with Lote before JoN came on board.
Lote wont speak about this settlement as he wishes to keep this VERY quiet and JoN wont speak about Lote’s indiscretion as he doesn’t want the settlement amount to come out and form the basis of any future payout. Should Lote start to make up stories about his dismissal or hint at his payout expect JoN to drop the bomb.
Like all of you I have heard rumours but they are no more than that. Nobody directly involved has said anything as far as I know.
All is well in rugby land (apart from the playing field) – move on.
BAS said | August 26th 2009 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
I have heard why. And apparently it was not the 1st time he had done it.
Todd Day said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
Here we go everyone assuming the ARU paid him out anything! What if the ARU merely said either we go public or you drop the case and Lote went ummmm ok i’ll drop the case? If it was nothing don’t you think the ARU and Lote would have gone public by now. It would obviously bring the game into disrepute and we really need that?
He’s a leaguie we should’ve expected it… Lote didn’t cut it and has been binned because of off field actions, Dell took drugs and was the worst union player ever to don the wallaby jumper he was rubbish, Rogers didn’t cut it and went back when he realised he was a great club player, average Super14 player and no test player he went back, Timana couldn’t cut it….so why the commotion? Spend money on the rugby union juniors….let the mungo’s go play local footie with the backwater that is AFL and let our game go forward. When you go overseas you actually realise rugby league and AFL are novelty events shown in funny clips at the end of the sports shows, only union and soccer are taken seriously why can’t we be the same and say good bye mungoes.
JK said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:18pm | Report comment
No particular interest in defending Tuquiri, but 60 odd tests for the Wallaby’s, leading or close to top try scorer for the Tah’s…………….He’s a rugby player!
Read an article about Git’s preffering to play league as a kid, Myself and all my rugby fanatic mates played both aswell. My son is playing league at school, but is an absolute Waratah tragic, do I tell him to bugger off you Mungo?
Does everyone have to have the perfect background to play “our game”, personally I’d be happy if all leaguies, Afl Players, footballers hell even basketballers want to come play rugby, it would be kind of flattering me thinks!
The Link said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
Todd I don’t know where you’ve been in the world, but there’s not too many places where Rugby is more than a mere novelty. Please don’t compare Rugby and Football’s global presence in the same breath, its rediculous.
stillmissit said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
Great post JK and I hope most on the Roar would agree with you.
I saw a young kid out west in sydney who had played only soccer all his life and he just killed them in the centres in rugby. We need talent, dont care where they come from as long as we dont pay a million a year for them on a wish and a turnstyle, that they want to toe the line and abide by our rules and ethos.
Chris said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:45pm | Report comment
I played League as a junior as well and then played Union. Now I’m a Rugby tragic, who also enjoys watching League. Am I a Mungo too?
I think the best thing for young Rugby (Union or League) aspirants is to play both forms of Rugby as a junior. If you are good enough you can play either (i.e. Ryan Cross, Craig Wing etc). “Pure League” players haven’t done that well in Union (i.e. Tahu) and “pure Union” boys (i.e Garrick Morgan) haven’t preformed well in League. If you don’t like travelling you can stay in Australia, if you want a lot of money and the option of travelling the world play Union. Keep your options open … but money and being an international man of mystery would have swayed my choice (if I had any talent in the first place).
Brett McKay said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:46pm | Report comment
Todd, as I mentioned above, the ARU apparantly put out the standard statement last night denying the figure was anywhere near that speculated in The Australian (up to $2M).
So if they’re denying the figure was as high as was speculated, it’s a reasonable assumption to make that they paid out something.
MyGeneration said | August 26th 2009 @ 6:36pm | Report comment
Can’t we say good bye Todd?
Who Needs Melon said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
Some more negatives for the ARU?
5. Any player who gets similar treatment from the ARU in the future knows which lawyer to call.
Also since RUPA have a separate investigation looking at whether the Australian Rugby Union and the NSW Rugby Union followed proper process when it sacked Tuqiri AND ALSO explore general disciplinary proceedings against other players….
6. It would seem the ARU have now given the RUPA investigation a bit of fuel, wouldn’t it?
AndyS said | August 26th 2009 @ 5:08pm | Report comment
How have they given RUPA more fuel? RUPA is now definitively never going to know what happened – in fact, are legally precluded from ever finding out unless both Tuqiri and the ARU agree to tell them. At the end of the day all they can review is whether the dismissal procedure was followed, but one way or another it is irrelevant now.
Pete said | August 26th 2009 @ 1:50pm | Report comment
For the RUPA (aka Dempsey), this is a personal vendetta against JON, its not really about the players. When emotion is involved in a business decision it usually ends badly. Lets hope for the sake of the game it doesn’t.
Jolly Jupes said | August 26th 2009 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
I would suggest that this could be working in both directions actually. I dont imagine RUPA makes JON’s life any easier
Ed said | August 27th 2009 @ 12:47am | Report comment
I agree, the stories I have heard about Dempsey aren’t a ringing endorsement. I can imagine JON must be an infuriating person to deal with, but to lose your cool like Dempsey just ain’t on. Besides he can be pretty excessive with his demands at the best of times.
jacko said | August 26th 2009 @ 3:12pm | Report comment
as long as there wasnt poo in a hallway involved I’m sure we can all rest easy.
Working Class Rugger said | August 26th 2009 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
Chris
You’re on the money in terms of young Rugby player’s(Union or League). The games are essentially the same in many ways and actually complement one another when played in tandem. I know this because I played both until I was 16. The opened field running of League boosted my fitness and speed whilst the in your face nature of Rugby gave me the explosive power and overall strength to dominate my opposition in the contact.
League lost me during High School though to be fair I have watched Rugby for as long as I can recall and preferred it. But during my experience in both codes I played with numerous kids who played both. It still is the case in many respects today.
MyGeneration said | August 26th 2009 @ 6:32pm | Report comment
Was just about to reply to Chris, but noticed your response, WCR, which is along the same lines as mine. By the way, what is Brad Thorn’s classification, do you think, “Pure League” or hybrid? I’m not sure how much Union he played before first crossing the ditch.
skull said | August 26th 2009 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
Todd Day, what Rugby Union Juniors? Oh thats right at the 7 or whatever GPS schools in Sydney that give a rats about Rugby Union.
Old Pig said | August 26th 2009 @ 4:31pm | Report comment
Skull
You forgot the CAS, Independent Schools, MNZ, MWZ, MSZ clubs, Country Clubs etc………
Chris said | August 26th 2009 @ 7:23pm | Report comment
Skull if I have read these stats correctly,
from the Australia Sports Commision website. In 2006 there were:
53,500 Rugby juniors (15yrs)
http://www.ausport.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/304384/ERASS_Report_2008.pdf
There are more Rugby players in NSW than League (not so good in other states, interestingly League is slightly higher in Victoria and WA!)… and AFL have some work to do in NSW
Chris said | August 26th 2009 @ 7:32pm | Report comment
No idea what happened to most of my post, it lost the middle section. I have tried to shorten the link (for those who care…)
In 2006 (Rugby 53,000) (League 107,600) (Aussie Rules 188,500) (Soccer 268,500). Rugby is definitely a niche sport but the number are healthy and have grown by ~65% (2003-2006). See http://tiny.cc/cfySo
In adults (>15yrs) there are more Rugby players in NSW than League (not so good in other states, interestingly League is slightly higher in Victoria and WA!)… and AFL have some work to do in NSW. See http://tiny.cc/aCYZG (Interesting reading if you have time to kill)
What all this has to do with Lote, I don’t know…
Dogs Of War said | August 26th 2009 @ 7:52pm | Report comment
I think what is most interesting is the partipation in touch football. Which many League and Union supporters do play when they don’t want the injuries that go with full contact sport.
From that report it showed 412K involved in touch/oztag. An amazing number, and one that shows there is plenty of interest in the Rugby codes.
Hansie said | August 26th 2009 @ 8:18pm | Report comment
Whatever Lote did, which I suspect was pretty minor, it gave the ARU and O’Neill the excuse to cut him and save several million dollars over the next few years. Undoubtedly, Lote will spend the next few weeks leaking stories about which club in which country is interested in signing him. It’s amazing how his contract negotiations are always conducted in public.
westy said | August 26th 2009 @ 8:32pm | Report comment
Dogs of War Wallatag trust rugby to complicate a game of fucking touch or is it to exclude ?. And I am a rugby supporter! You will love this NSW Touch tried to get private shools interested in internal and/or external touch competitions and they rejected it thought it was some rugby league conspiracy now the bastards play AFL !
The Link said | August 27th 2009 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
That GPS ban touch is a disgrace. Its such elitism that sees Rugby remain a relatively minor sport in this country.
Working Class Rugger said | August 26th 2009 @ 9:55pm | Report comment
Chris
Not too sure about WA mate. The junior ranks in WA are ever growing and easily out number there league conterparts. The same can be said for seniors too.
Working Class Rugger said | August 26th 2009 @ 10:13pm | Report comment
MyGen
I’d call Brad Thorn an ‘hybrid’ I suppose. Which is actually what many young rugby player’s(either code) are these days.
stillmissit said | August 27th 2009 @ 8:08am | Report comment
Yeah I agree. I think he was the first of this new breed of cross coders, players who didnt just go from one to the other but played whatever he preferred at the time. He also did both bloody well.
westy said | August 26th 2009 @ 11:06pm | Report comment
Agree Workingclass Rugger. Most of the blokes in the teams i manage play and enjoy both codes. Some of the rugby watchers get mesmorised by the backs in rugby league but i have found some of the young forwards in rugby league to be of good potential. You know the type I mean Peter ryan/ thorn/ Crocker stamina with the mongrel. We may be looking in the wrong area.
You can see why i cringe about Mungo taunts….. some of the boys ask me what it means and we are playing other rugby teams ! i just tell them to smash the crap out of them. The boys out here fit comfortably into both games and have respect for both. Much like most professional players in both codes.
Some of my islander props and backrowers genuinely benefit from some rugby league in their junior years ( understandable limits on scrummaging in rugby sometimes encourage laziness ) . Rugby league gets them moving with good contact.
Rugby im my area lets itself down from 15 to 20. Hayne Inu mortimer( Stannies)Fui Fui Moi Moi Matteo Keating all played rugby league and rugby union but found a home in rugby league at parramatta. The Parramatta and penrith U/20’s is a treasure trove of players who have played rugby union.
Rugby league do not steel them they just offer a much better resourced pathway between 15 to 20 . End of story.
True Tah said | August 27th 2009 @ 8:09am | Report comment
Westy, Inu obviously still enjoys rugby, quite a few of his mates from his church group played at my club 2 seasons ago and Inu wanted to play with the boys for a few hitouts, understandably the Eels denied the request.
I would have loved to have seen Hayne in a Wallaby jersey.
Sean C said | August 26th 2009 @ 11:16pm | Report comment
Westy
That’s my experience aswell. Many very good Rugby player’s who also played League followed the opportunities. Many if not all enjoyed Rugby buts when opportunity knocks in a game that you also enjoy comes knocking you would be crazy to refuse.
There seems to be this constant theme in the Australian Rugby of depth. Which is a valid concern. but the lack of opportunity is the real killer. It actually has a very significant effect on our depth issue.
Working Class Rugger said | August 26th 2009 @ 11:22pm | Report comment
Westy
That’s my experience. Many talented athletes take the opportunity offered in League because Rugby simply does not have it and the youth levels. My experience was an exception. Randwick approached my father in regards to their colts team when I was 15. But even then they thought I was 17 going on 18. the age in which many of the talent has been secured by League clubs or in Rugby’s case the Private Schools.
The continuing them by regular Rugby Roarer’s is depth. Which can be directly linked to the lack of opportunity that exists in Rugby at the youth levels. Must be addressed.
stillmissit said | August 27th 2009 @ 8:03am | Report comment
Westy and others – you know better than this about what drives these kids between 15-20 and that is cash and the dream of playing with their league idols.
I have seen several good youngsters who play both games but can get paid 150-200 a game for a run on Sunday and Zip for playing rugby on Sat. If you were a young islander boy with a job (if your lucky) on a building site what would you do? The resources are another thing but I have never heard a kid mention any of that.
The downside is these kids don’t want to pay their subs like all the other kids as they dont have to in league and are renowned for being unreliable: relative died, band practice for the church, Mum said I cant play this week, we have all heard them all. The other kids end up resenting them and that can bring problems for a club as well.
I think that what I am saying is fair and to just say that rugby doesnt offer the same infrastructure is a bit harsh, how could rugby pay these kids 150 a week and no fees without a club backing them?
vincent said | August 27th 2009 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
Well Boys and Gals, Ladies and Gentlemen, the secret remains as such, Tiquiri is now officially off to Bayonne (according to the Australian)
El Capitan said | August 27th 2009 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
Yeah Vince, and everyone fav journo Danny Wilder has the “exclusive”.
That toss-pot spends more time trying to make others look bad, rather than the player themself.
Campbell Watts said | August 27th 2009 @ 4:26pm | Report comment
I’d say both parties realised the lawyers were going to bleed them dry and they may as well shake on it and agree to disagree.
No one wins where the lawyers get involved – bloody parasites!!!