West Ham vs Millwall, an insiders story
By Knives Out, 29 Aug 2009 The Crowd is a Roar Pro
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The two constants of the evening were the echoing of ‘fans’ shouting and the permanent police helicopter, which suggested that trouble was always around the corner.
I saw three separate Millwall firms: one off the tube to Plaistow, one on Green Street outside the ground, and one that was already inside the stadium. When we came out of Plaistow tube station the first Millwall firm piped up. If you don’t know the area, West Ham is surrounded by rabbit-hutch estate roads and which are very narrow.
The journey there was a bit of nightmare as it was getting rather dark and the soundtrack was, as mentioned, always a worry. Also, the fear of the confrontation was exacerbated by the fact that everybody looked the same.
When we came out of the side road toward the stadium and the West Ham ‘goonies’ were waiting for us, there really was no way out and I happened to be right at the front setting the pace.
It was cottage pie in pants time.
One thing I did note was the amount of youths there. There was a mixture of big oldies and young ‘uns. Perhaps due to banning orders?
My friend confirmed this when stating that the majority of people who surrounded us in the West Ham West Stand were not the regular season ticket holders, thereby suggesting that the majority were out for a tear up.
I live in Bromley, South London. Bromley does not have a Bermondsey-esque reputation, but it is nonetheless a Millwall Borough. Millwall hooligans drink in my local pub and my cousin is a Millwall hooligan.
A very close friend of mine is a West Ham season ticket holder.
I like West Ham. It is awash with stereotypical cockney geezers and a rather tender un-Premiership community spirit. In stark contrast to the Inner City Firm dominated 1980s, visiting Upton Park is now quite a nice day out.
What binds the vitriolic dynamic is that both clubs hate Tottenham Hotspur with an unremitting passion. I support Tottenham Hotspur. I am not a hooligan.
It was with a combination of exhilaration and trepidation, therefore, that I accepted a ticket from my West Ham friend to take in the coming West Ham Vs Millwall derby.
Having heard that Millwall were ‘firming’ up at Tower Hill at 10.30, I utilised my university honed intellect to conclude that it would be best to have a pre-match drink in a place other than Tower Hill and any time long after 10.30.
Accordingly, I organised to meet up with some Millwall friends at the Victoria Wetherspoon at 5pm and latterly meet my West Ham friend at Mansion House at 5.30. After pouring copious amounts of utterly ‘jank’ lager down my neck by 6.30 I decided that I had kept my friend waiting long enough and thus I departed for the tube.
Obviously the lager consumption meant that in my haste I staggered onto the West bound tube. At this point I engaged my intellect once more and managed to find my way to the appropriate shuttle. I was off to meet the Beasts from the East.
My arrival at Mansion House coincided with the arrival of about 5 Millwall kiddies.
Too many Aquascutum Flat Caps, a Lewisham swagger and various witless songs gave the game away as to what team these champions supported. The fact that such oafs were freely roaming about confirmed in my head that the game would be completely trouble free.
Rather surprisingly the replica hooligans had brought their girlfriends along. Needless to say these female bruisers made Pat Butcher look the epitome of subtle felinity.
A quick pint of Amstel and a shake of the head, myself, my West Ham friend and his sister plodded down to Mansion House tube station to find our way to Upton Park station. The Millwall plastics had the same idea.
Their stunning vocal repertoire was soon made redundant by the presence of some bigger and older West Ham fans, however. With a new found peace and alcohol inspired warmth I settled down for the lengthy journey. At this point we were meant to be in The Queen market pub.
The shuttle rattled to a halt, and an Irish tube driver informed the contents of a now massively busy carriage that due to “rioting” at Upton Park Station (something that we missed due to my tardiness) all tubes had been told to stop until the Police had cleared the station. Excellent.
This old chestnut was not un-expected, and neither was the crushing demand from my bladder to be emptied ASAP. I bargained with the full organ for half an hour. Unfortunately, I had nothing to bargain with. The tube was packed and stiflingly hot. Conditions were not pleasant.
Arrival at Plaistow confirmed that the fighting had not been limited to the Upton Park area. The Police looked tired and beaten and we were still a good mile away from the ground. Regardless, it was now 7.45 and we were late.
My party broke into a jog which coincided with a mighty roar, “Millwall, Millwall..”. It seems that the entire tube we had just gotten off had been a veritable sardine tin of Millwall hooligans.
This was fine except that the direction that we had broken off in was the complete opposite of the direction the 100 or so Millwall fans were traipsing. A few side glances revealed that the boyos had bigger fish to fry and we were off.
A lack of gym time exposed my weak aerobic fitness but I still led the pack. Within record time (perhaps) we reached Green Street. Unfortunately some other cool cats had the same idea.
In rather bizarre fashion just as I had jogged to within 100 metres of the Boleyn Ground I passed a side street which around 200 angry Millwall fans came pouring out of. My immediate reaction could be defined as anxious, however the fact I was out of breath (as the Millwall fans were too) and happened to be dressed in a jauntily casual attire meant the crew thought I was one of their own.
It was then that I realised that West Ham had a meet and greet party waiting for us. My immediate reaction to that scenario could be defined as more than anxious, especially as I was effectively in the front line of the Millwall bods.
I knew then that I should have definitely bought that nautical distress flair from Millett’s that I had been eyeing up. An interesting side note is that an Asian owned store was completely ignored by the all white Millwall mob, despite the fact that it was being ‘protected’ by only a handful of skinny Asian males and that window smashing was the order of the day.
I had an interesting mental debate about racism at football, but not a particularly lengthy or profound debate.
The Battle of the Boleyn (I say ‘The Battle’ but perhaps ‘A Battle’ is more accurate) commenced and I was stuck in the middle. Literally. Fortunately for me the West Ham party contained probably no more than 50 men.
Less fortunately there was no Police presence whatsoever and these were big and grumpy men (plus a few Rastafarians). It seems that in their infinite wisdom the Police had rushed all their men to Upton Park Station. A group of Millwall fans simply left the scene and outflanked them. Ludicrously simple.
Interestingly, despite the vast numbers only about ten men were fighting in the road. The rest were merely posturing, bouncing up and down and shouting. The atmosphere was absolutely electric: the narrow streets, onset of darkness, sound of the Police helicopter and muffled shouts created a curiously enticing melody. It always amazes me to think that such a narrow arena of hate creates such a broad variety of emotions: paranoia, rage, fear, ecstasy.
Somebody approached me but all I did was dip my shoulder as if to clock a punch, snarl and I was past him onto the stadium front court. At this point I was well ahead of my companions having motioned to my friend and his sister to get well back when the Millwall had turned up.
It turned out that at that exact moment my cousin (whom had informed me the day before that he wasn’t going to attend) had bizarrely appeared at the front of the Millwall mob, seen my friend and his sister and shielded them up against a van. If I had had problems emptying my bladder earlier I certainly did not any more. Selfishly I had forgotten about my party as an overwhelming aggression (and perhaps a survival instinct) took over. I regret this.
I met my party at the gates and in we went. A backward glance confirmed that the area was still totally lawless as my cousin attempted to manoeuvre a charge into the West Ham onslaught . Frankly, I am utterly stunned that more people were not hospitalised.
It is probably worth pointing out at this point that I was meant to get the tube to Mansion House with my Victoria drinking buddies, however, they could not resist a wander into Ladbrokes and thus we were separated. I was informed by my friends that when they followed the same path to the Boleyn around 20 minutes later than I had that the fighting was in full swing and that people were fallen and bloodied everywhere, with flying bottles splintering the night sky.
My cousin confirmed this and added that hundreds more West Ham soon realised where the real fun was, turned up and ran the Millwall back to whence they had come. The departing Millwall fans were, apparently, a mixture of ticket holders and thugs who had come from the South just looking for knuckle. They were certainly not disappointed.
My cousin, who possessed a ticket, did not manage to make his seat until the 2nd half had commenced. The constantly roving helicopter suggested that all was not well in a lot of places.
The game itself was a blur. Millwall seemed far more energetic and a typical Cup upset seemed on the cards. I’d like to report that I watched the game. I didn’t. I shouted and gestured to the Millwall fans who were close to my West Stand Lower seat, drank Carlsberg at the bar and chatted with hooligans. My seat was only 25 yards away from the fighting in the corner.
Racist chants toward Carlton Cole were met with a masturbatory gesture from the striker and songs about Calum Davenport’s mum seemed to lack any tangible oomph or wit.
Millwall out sang West Ham in the 1st half but that was soon to change. The South Londoners early dominance was thwarted and as the match lengthened the increasingly bashful Millwall end simply could not be heard. Countless attempts to get on the pitch and toward the Sir Trevor Brooking Stand were not met by Millwall.
A few chairs were thrown but that was it. All things considered Millwall were embarrassed. They had been chased all over East London (despite attempting to assert an early dominance by smashing up some empty pubs in Canning Town) and had lost the match. Further, the media would go on to boost the claims of the West Ham hooligans. Kenny Jackett’s revisionist perception will do nothing to improve the battered ego of the Millwall firm.
Anyway, the game ended, the East Londoners were jubilant and I needed to return home to South London. The invigorating atmosphere was made redundant by the obvious fear emanating from my friends’ sister. Whilst some fans made their way to the away end the Police presence (which by this point was gargantuan) shepherded the West Ham escort round the back of the market to Upton Park station.
Millwall were kept in their end for 10 minutes only and we made our tube. We took off at Aldgate East and grabbed a taxi to Beckenham, thereby avoiding anybody with something to argue about.
A bit of an anti-climax, all things considered.
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Freud of Football said | August 29th 2009 @ 1:52am | Report comment
A very interesting perspective and very well written might I add.
Any particular reason you, a Tottenham fan chose to attend this game?
Knives Out said | August 29th 2009 @ 2:10am | Report comment
Thank you. My friend asked me to write a piece for consumption (He’s doing a journalism masters), so I wrote this yesterday lunch time for him.
I attended the game because I was excited by the potential for disorder. There’s no point in lying. I suspected what might happen and I wanted to be there. By going with a friend and sister I avoided the chance to travel with a far worse Millwall element. In hindsight that was a good move.
Freud of Football said | August 29th 2009 @ 2:17am | Report comment
Perhaps you could elaborate on a few points mentioned in the comments section in my piece:
1) Were the Millwall fan’s really chanting about Jack Collison’s dad?
2) What do you suggest, from your first hand knowledge of being there, could have been done better to have prevent this furore?
Knives Out said | August 29th 2009 @ 2:57am | Report comment
1. Yes.
2. Not sure. More stewards would have merely antagonised the fans in the stadium. Outside the stadium is a different matter. If people want to create trouble then they will. It’s an endless debate really. There’s always something extra that could be done but people could drive up, get the train up, come from the North or the West.. there’s countless ways to avoid Police detection.
Freud of Football said | August 29th 2009 @ 3:03am | Report comment
There may be countless ways to avoid police detection but surely something can be done.
At the stadium where I live, visiting teams more-or-less all come by train, they are shepherded from the central station to the ground, flanked by police, literally hundreds of them forming a barrier around them, why could this not be done for a West Ham – Millwall fixture?
Surely those that come by car can be designated parking areas and only have one path into the ground hence avoiding the clashes outside of the stadium?
Knives Out said | August 29th 2009 @ 4:37am | Report comment
Because that presumes that people would only utilise one station. If the match is a notorious fixture then all it takes is a few small people to travel to the opposite part of London (or wherever) and arrive from an alternate direction. In most cases, people respect the Police, but West Ham and Millwall are notoriously anit-Police, so in many cases with these two clubs it pays for the Police to be less conspicuous. Regarding travel by car/van, there are hundreds of roads near most stadia. If there is a will then there is a way.
Viscount Crouchback said | August 29th 2009 @ 2:41am | Report comment
KO seems to be a fine example of that curious 1990s phenomenon: the hooligeek. This individual – always of bookish demeanour – would often be encountered in town centre bookshops during the lunch hour where he could be seen nose-deep in the latest hooliporn offering by a Dougie Brimson or Cass Pennant. Our gentle hooligeek would spend half an hour in the company of these big bad men and would then trundle back to his clerk’s job with a dreamy look in his eyes. Along the way he might seek out eye contact and stare out a fellow clerk just to prove to himself that he, too, could be a lairy geezer.
It’s all rather silly. If one is curious about violence, then sign up for Sandhurst.
Knives Out said | August 29th 2009 @ 2:54am | Report comment
Thank you for the very subtle insult, VC, but you’re wrong. In many ways I’m the stereotypical mid-1990s Blair-manipulated, upwardly mobile young man. My family are very working class, and having grown up in Streatham I now live in an area where a lot of moneyed Cockneys and ex-villains have moved to. Thus my combination of working/middle class child hood has been maintained by my interaction with both peoples. I have only ever read two ‘hooli’ books in my life: Cass Pennant’s autobiography (my father purchased it on holiday having grown up seeing him work as a doorman in Peckham), and Trevor Tanner’s book, as my father used to work with him for what was then British Rail.
BigAl said | August 31st 2009 @ 11:55am | Report comment
Probably off subject, but possibly not !
. . . how come the moniker ‘Knives Out’ ?
Knives Out said | August 31st 2009 @ 11:57am | Report comment
Just copying the Roar Australian trends for monikers. Nothing cynical.
Davos said | August 29th 2009 @ 11:10am | Report comment
Too many cliches of truth in there for you VC, oh don’t tell me the author was confused and misinterpreted passion!!
pothale said | August 29th 2009 @ 6:28am | Report comment
Interesting story, KO.
Knives Out said | August 29th 2009 @ 7:13am | Report comment
Mmm.. maybe I should have kept it to myself.
Joe FC said | August 29th 2009 @ 2:49pm | Report comment
I’m glad you didn’t.
MVDave said | August 29th 2009 @ 8:11am | Report comment
Thanks for the eye witness accounts…certainly makes for interesting, if a little uncomfortable, reading.
The 2 mistake made by the authorities, and l doubt it will be allowed to happen again (particularly with WC decision coming up), was to allow an evening kick off and allow non season ticket holders/members to attend.
In future such games should have a morning kick off (yes even midweek as all Carling Cup games are played midweek except the final) and only STH/members allowed to buy tickets with no tickets on sale on the day of the game.
Games such as Cardiff v Swansea, Birmingham v Villa, Man U v Liverpool all have morning or noon kick off times. If midweek early KO not possible then hold the game over to a weekend and KO at 11.30 Sunday morning. The only other solution would be to ban any away fans ie allow only STH/members from the home team.
Nothing will stop the hardcore nutters from causing some bovva but reducing the potential numbers involved is a start.
Freud of Football said | August 29th 2009 @ 10:30am | Report comment
This point has already been made on my initial piece by KO himself that moving the kickoff forward won’t help with which I concur. The one’s who want to have it out will simply be there earlier, remember, they literally look forward to this from the day the fixture is announced.
The best solutions are a neutral venue or no tickets for away supporters, that way the ground will always be safe and the chance for pitch invasions is minimised.
Sure, some nutters will still come for trouble but with no tickets there is no reason for them to be there, hence less will come and any violence will be limited to being outside the ground, while not ideal, this will allow the authorities to blame other factors and hence it shouldn’t be detrimental to the WC Bid and should be easier to police.
I don’t think we need to list the problem games as your 3 obviously haven’t covered much. The fixtures that will cause problems are well known, they should be blacklisted and dealt with as such that nothing could possibly go wrong. Most games, police just assume there won’t be much bother, a few drunken idiots maybe, but for these genuine hatred rivalries, everything should be planned with military precision, no more of this, “we’ll take a look at the CCTV footage and arrest those we identify”, they only just sorted out the incident with Rangers fans in Manchester, a year after it took place, acting after the fact must be avoided..
G-Rilla said | August 29th 2009 @ 8:47am | Report comment
Very well written piece, we were sitting here in Brixton very taken aback that the deep rivalry between these two teams that revisited scenes from the 80′s and 90′s.
I knew there was going to be some trouble, but the extent that it was allowed to get to was unfortunate.
Yet like we learnt at the G20, too many police and riot police can aggrevate the situation further.
Very difficult to get the right amount of police involvment.
Knives Out said | August 29th 2009 @ 8:55am | Report comment
G-Rilla, a Roarer mentioned a Cass Pennant penned article in The Guardian which suggested that the police may have been reluctant to steam in due to the events of the G20. I think there’s probably an element of truth to that. Conversely, the scenes of the West Ham fans fighting with the stewards in the corner did not tell the full story. At one point the riot police steamed in and I saw countless people with smashed, bloodied craniums tottering about the paddock. I didn’t see that replayed on Sky. Outside the stadium a lot of the riot police seemed genuinely intimidated. Pennant also mentioned that complacency may have been an issue with the authorities. That is probably true as well.
G-Rilla said | August 29th 2009 @ 9:07am | Report comment
Such a difficult thing to control.
With the level of planning and intent from both sides of the park coupled with the history between the clubs, it was always going to be a volatile situation. I do imagine that a lot of the force on duty that night were overwhelmed and initimidated. This amounts to a certain amount of negligence and short-sightedness of those who are required to oversee these events.
Yet with the football scene being so controlled and safe here for so many years, can you blame them?
However, I still think that this in hindsight this was badly managed and prepared for.
BigAl said | August 29th 2009 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
Excellent piece KO – I really got the picture of a perfect storm of Bovver gradually manifesting.
Which makes me wonder why you persisted with your trip ? – I guess alocohol is the great leveler !
Knives Out said | August 29th 2009 @ 7:26pm | Report comment
I did over exaggerate my ‘drunkenness’, Big Al – a bit of British self-depreciation. I should state that I was in no way tipsy or drunk.
Knives Out said | August 30th 2009 @ 3:15am | Report comment
What I detail is quite a narrow event, Big Al. I know of 5 men from South London who drove around East London in a van specifically looking for people to jump out and pounce on. They aren’t football fans and have no connection to either team (beyond a geographic connection to Millwall). They simply saw an opportunity to hurt some people from across a river and they took it with both hands. If you multiply such personal attacks across quite a broad area and then add such attacks to the more ‘mob and rob’ mass violence then you have a bad, bad night.
bone said | August 29th 2009 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
did millwall get run or did the boys old their own
Knives Out said | August 29th 2009 @ 7:33pm | Report comment
Couldn’t say simply because there was so many points of disturbance throughout the day. From what I’ve heard it was a long night for Millwall, but that is secondary information. What I saw was Millwall being backed off by West Ham. Obviously that is specific to my night’s events. I don’t know, simply.
Brett McKay said | August 29th 2009 @ 12:32pm | Report comment
Great stuff Knives, interesting insight into a volotile situation..