Give Quade a crack and move Giteau, pleads Horan
By Jim Morton, 1 Sep 2009
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- Drew Mitchell, Luke Burgess, Matt Giteau, Quade Cooper, Richard Brown, robbie deans, Rugby Union, Tim Horan, Tri Nations, wallabies
Wallabies great Tim Horan believes it’s time Matt Giteau was unshackled from the playmaking duties and moved back to run amok at inside centre.
Horan, who played the bulk of his 80 Tests in the Australian No.12 jersey, would like to see Giteau wear it again, and have the dynamic Quade Cooper promoted to start at five eighth against South Africa.
Cooper is in doubt for Saturday night’s Tri-Nations Test at Suncorp Stadium with a knee injury but coach Robbie Deans also has Berrick Barnes as a serious five-eighth option.
Barnes, who missed the 32-25 loss in Perth, returned to training on Monday afternoon at Ballymore while his mercurial Queensland teammate Cooper was left to rest his low-grade medial ligament strain.
Barnes is the more likely inside backs reinforcement but Horan was in no doubt Giteau needs to have more opportunities to run the ball wider from the position he started his career.
The former Test selector liked what he saw in the final 10 minutes at Subiaco Oval when Cooper expertly fed Giteau – both out wide and inside, including for one try – to have the Springboks guessing.
“There’s no doubt Gits is one of the best 10s going around but he’s also one of the best 12s going around,” Horan told AAP.
“I think it was evident when Quade came on the space he was able to provide to Giteau wider because of the passes that he was throwing.
“You have to keep in mind the game was gone but I thought Quade really impressed and added some spark.”
Horan felt the five-Test rookie also had the speed and element of surprise on his side to help break the stiff Springbok defence which has also been effective in slowing down Australian phase play.
“If Quade is fit I’d like to see Quade at 10,” he said.
“You either have to go wide or go in through the middle, there’s no point going in between.
“Either (Cooper), or if Barnes plays, and has 10 on his back or 12 on his back, he needs to play a lot more at first-receiver position.
“It certainly helps when Giteau’s got a second receiver there and someone else to step in.”
Giteau, still one of the Wallabies best in Perth, knew he had to lift in attack without the injured Barnes alongside him, but missed him more in defence.
Australia paid the price twice due to miscommunication between the playmaker and stop-gap inside centre Adam Ashley-Cooper by conceding first-phase tries.
Barnes is regarded as the Wallabies backline defensive linchpin and it would make sense for him to stay at inside centre in defence, even if Deans wanted him to play first-receiver in attack.
Deans will name his side on Tuesday with Queensland halfback Will Genia poised to replace Luke Burgess, No.8 Richard Brown under pressure from Wycliff Palu, and Drew Mitchell a chance to start on the wing.
While he has more experience at 12 and is prepared to play wherever chosen, Giteau personally hopes Deans retains him as chief playmaker.
“I prefer playing at 10, that’s the position I most enjoy to play,” he said. “At 12 you run wider but it’s hard to control the game.”
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September 1st 2009 @ 1:32am
Dexter William said | September 1st 2009 @ 1:32am | Report comment
As I have guessed. The truth finally comes out:
“I prefer playing at 10, that’s the position I most enjoy to play,” he (Gits) said. “At 12 you run wider but it’s hard to control the game.”
Let’s see if Deans has the courage to stand up to his star player and make the right decision for the team.
Almost everyone here, plus Horan, Burke and Kafer (see tele news) have publicly called for Barnes at 10 and Gits at 12. I am sure Deans can see the obvious. He now needs to have the balls to go face his star player and give him the news. If he doesn’t experiment when all is already loss, he would lose whatever respect that is left after this string of losses.
Message to Gits: Put your ego aside and be the best that you can be for team and country.
September 1st 2009 @ 2:02am
Frank O'Keeffe said | September 1st 2009 @ 2:02am | Report comment
Phil Kearns actually said something of merit during the game when he mentioned that Quade Cooper has better longer passes than Giteau, and that they almost added another dimmension. Horan has said Quade’s passes to Giteau were good, and they were. Despite finishing the Super 14 with a drop in form, Cooper’s form early on in the season was pretty OK. I think he’d make a better 10 than Giteau.
Barnes would be better at 10 than both of them though.
Greg wrote a neat little article a while back where he discussed how Bob Dwyer saw something in Cooper and not in Beale. I wonder if Dwyer was coach whether he’d pick Cooper? Deans is practically in the same position Dwyer was in around 1989. Deans needs to make some tough decisions. But are there any diamonds in the rough who could play Test rugby? Cooper might be one.
September 1st 2009 @ 3:43am
Jolly Jupes said | September 1st 2009 @ 3:43am | Report comment
Lavish praise for Cooper at 10 but the positives are only in attack. I am not sure that he will cut the mustard in defence week after week – I remember he seemed to get lost accross 80 mins for the Reds so for me Barnes is a better option keep Cooper for impact at best
September 1st 2009 @ 11:49am
fox said | September 1st 2009 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Agreed
September 1st 2009 @ 2:21am
Eagle said | September 1st 2009 @ 2:21am | Report comment
Either Cooper or Barnes are better at 10 than Giteau, and Giteau is better as an attcking 12 than either. Barnes for 10 would be my view. Either way Brisbane will be interesting with Barnes back as the Springboks have serious injury issues with Pietersen out and Becker not available on the bench while Danie Rossouw not fully fit and Botha doubtful. Expect to see Frans Steyn for Pietersen and Juan Smith for Becker/Botha if needed with Burger at flank if Smith is at lock.
September 1st 2009 @ 2:22am
ohtani's jacket said | September 1st 2009 @ 2:22am | Report comment
How old is Dwyer anyway? I wonder if it would kill him to coach the Wallabies again, or at least be a selector. What’s his relationship with the ARU like?
September 1st 2009 @ 2:41am
Frank O'Keeffe said | September 1st 2009 @ 2:41am | Report comment
Dan,
Dwyer is too busy running his new website which provides an opportunity for plenty of rugby discussion and learning. He writes terrific reviews of Test matches each week which are incredibly insightful. His main jobs now are to develope talent through his workshops, and he might still have a job as a talent scout for the ARU.
I would join his website but I’m an Alan Jones supporter as you know
September 1st 2009 @ 2:42am
Frank O'Keeffe said | September 1st 2009 @ 2:42am | Report comment
http://www.bobdwyerrugby.com/english/default.asp
To feed your hatred of Deans, here’s something you’d enjoy: Dwyer asking for Deans to be sacked.
“The coaches must take full responsibility for this. It is time to get rid of them. We have gone backwards this year in all areas of the game.”
September 1st 2009 @ 8:15am
LeftArmSpinner said | September 1st 2009 @ 8:15am | Report comment
Dwyer was good in his day, but his time at the Tahs was hardly successful. And if course, who would be the replacement?? a better replacement, not just a shuffling of deck chairs………
September 1st 2009 @ 2:56am
ohtani's jacket said | September 1st 2009 @ 2:56am | Report comment
I always loved Bob Dwyer. He reminded me of Commissioner Gordon from Batman.
September 1st 2009 @ 11:34am
BennO said | September 1st 2009 @ 11:34am | Report comment
I always thought he looked like Magnum PI
September 1st 2009 @ 2:13pm
ohtani's jacket said | September 1st 2009 @ 2:13pm | Report comment
Dwyer was a sex symbol?
September 1st 2009 @ 5:03am
warrenexpatinnz said | September 1st 2009 @ 5:03am | Report comment
Why don’t we get Jones, Dwyer, Connoly altogether and they could become our three wise men, of course the wheel chair access would need to be improved to the coaches box and the redundancy plan for the wingers would need to be worked out?
Deans is not building a one hit wonder side and for this we should be very grateful. The side he is constructing has youth in every position whether as a starting side or in the squad. This side, this squad will be experienced, confident come the end of the Northern Hemphisphere tour and I have no doubt that the Wallabies will excel in 2010, 2011 and 2012 with the current squad.
Four losses on the trot does hurt but what is worse, a quarter final exit or a flash in the pan squad which wins one year then burns after that?
If there was a change I would put forward this one, bring in John Mitchell as regardless of issues in the past this coach brought out the best in Englands forwards and built their platform two years out from 2003 and in regards to the All Blacks his ability to have that team play perhaps the most outstanding attacking rugby (with Deans) I have seen on a consistent basis ever is not something to dismiss, over look. Give our players one on four coaching with Deans over seeing, very similar coaching structure to that of Mcqueen and Woodward and look at the sucess they had.
Wallabies will win in Brisbane then win in Wellington, why? Because dicks like Growden and part time supporters and full time knockers so they can’t.
Cheers
September 1st 2009 @ 8:19am
LeftArmSpinner said | September 1st 2009 @ 8:19am | Report comment
i agree that he has given lots of new blood a chance but this needs to continue and culture needs to change. This may be no more than a work in progress. But, for me, his biggest mistake was the unimaginative style the team played when confronted by boks and ABs or was it the players under pressure taking the easy option, “if in doubt, kick it.”
September 1st 2009 @ 1:16pm
couchnorm said | September 1st 2009 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
Interesting thought
He hasn’t done much with the Force forwards. Plenty of headlines and incidents involving Force players over the years and all of his players wanted to get rid of him……… Perfect choice. Get JON to sign him up
September 1st 2009 @ 2:11pm
ohtani's jacket said | September 1st 2009 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
Oooh yeah, bring in Mitchell. FInish ‘em off.
September 1st 2009 @ 8:12am
LeftArmSpinner said | September 1st 2009 @ 8:12am | Report comment
Gentlemen, If it is Giteau at 12, then cooper is a good option at 10, but not the best in the long run. I believe Beale is a better 10 than Cooper but I strongly suspect that Toomua is the best of them all.
Barnes is first choice.
September 1st 2009 @ 8:31am
reds fan said | September 1st 2009 @ 8:31am | Report comment
LAS, I must disagree with you regarding Cooper and Beale. Whilst Cooper’s defense is suspect, his attacking flair is really something when he’s on song. He’s only 20. Larkham was about 25 when he moved to 10. I have been a vocal dissinter of Coopers namely cos I have to watch him week in week out in super rugby… but I think with time and maturing he might lose some of his erraticness and poor judgement calls, and develop his defence. I noted in comments after the game all he mentioned was “bringing my shoulder with me”… so he is obviously focussed on improving his defence.
Beale however has defensive frailties without the added attacking flair. He has some but it is limited to chip kicks etc… he doesn’t possess a long pass on either side of his body. That’s why Halangahu got played there, and why their outside backs never saw the ball. I’m not sure what Beale’s best position is….
Both seem to be committed and focussed young blokes so it will be interesting to see which of them is able to make the improvements that are necessary. In the meanwhile, Barnes needs to be at 10, if for no other reason than to have Gits running again. He looked great on Saturday night on the end of passes rather than throwing them. Like the old days. It just looked right.
I do agree with you on Toomua. He looks impressive.
September 1st 2009 @ 8:36am
reds fan said | September 1st 2009 @ 8:36am | Report comment
And please dont interpret the above as me heaping praise on either Cooper or Beale. They both have a long way to go. And I’d prefer to see them both develop away from the Test arena.
September 1st 2009 @ 10:20am
Dave said | September 1st 2009 @ 10:20am | Report comment
Reds Fan
I too have kept a close eye on Cooper and Beale. I was a big fan of Beale when he arrived on the scene but his passing is very limited (like Gits) and now I dont rate him.
I think Cooper is a sensational player, and will disagree and say he needs to be playing at this level. His form dropped off late in the S14 season this year due to playing in a poor side with key injuries. This meant that he became the most experienced player in the side which at his age which was not helpful… He then tried to do too much to compensate – especially when Barnes was injured…
Barnes still remains my first choice with Cooper on the bench. Bring Cooper on for the final 15 minutes and let him unleash against a tired defence. So dont rush him in to a starting role week after week, but let him slowly get more and more game time at the top level with good, experienced players around him.
September 1st 2009 @ 10:58am
TommyM said | September 1st 2009 @ 10:58am | Report comment
Also agree re: Toomua. This guy while still very young is reminds me very much of Dan Carter. Complete game. Very good prospect for the future. If I were Friend I’d be running him at 10 with Gits at 12 and Leleafano at 15 next year. Toomua controlled the game brilliantly when he stepped into 10 at the end of last season for the Brumbies. Better it must be said than Copper did for the Reds, but to be fair he was behind a pack going backwards so cannot really compare the two.
September 1st 2009 @ 12:50pm
Dave said | September 1st 2009 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
Friend has floated the idea in the press of moving Gits to 12 and leaving Toomua at 10. I really hope that this happens as it could lead to a return to the glory days at the Brumbies!. I also agree that Lealiifano could be a good candidate for 15.
September 1st 2009 @ 8:39am
Hoy said | September 1st 2009 @ 8:39am | Report comment
I don’t rate Beale that highly. I think Cooper has the best long ball, and I think Barnes is the obvious choice at 10.
Many on this site have said so for a long time, now it will be interesting what happens.