John O’Neill has cost Australia the Tri-Nations
By kingplaymaker, 2 Sep 2009 kingplaymaker is a Roar Rookie
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There’s one man who has had a bigger negative influence on the performance of the Wallabies than anyone else this year. Who is it?
Al Baxter, Robbie Deans, Richard Brown?
Of course not. It’s the man running the whole show, John O’Neill.
Let’s look at four crucial plays O’Neill has made which have had such an effect on the Wallabies.
1. Firing Lote Tuqiri
Very few journalists have mentioned what a devastating and disturbing effect this must have had on team morale and confidence.
To jettison such a senior member of the team just before the start of the season has had the expected effect on the side’s enthusiasm and quality, in contrast to the vibrant and dynamic beginning to the last Tri-Nations.
In addition, a superb wing (when on-form) has been lost.
2. Roughly negotiating with Dan Vickerman
How were the South Africans able to dominate Australia so much in the line-out and out-muscle them in the loose? The absence of a world-class lock, that’s how.
‘Neill negotiates with players as if they were normal employees in a company. That is, roughly.
Rugby players need to be handed more delicately.
And it is this tough approach that persuaded Vickerman to leave.
3. Refusal to buy a rugby league fullback
It has been blindingly obvious for some time that Australia lack a top running fullback. James O’Connor and Adam Ashley-Cooper are centres out of position.
Two were potentially available this year – Karmichael Hunt and Billy Slater – and the ARU didn’t seriously bid.
O’Neill now thinks that it doesn’t make good sense to buy league players, and in general, he may be right. However, in this critical case an exception should have been made.
4. Letting Tahu go
Stirling Mortlock gets injured and who is the brilliant strike runner to replace him? Ryan Cross.
There is no brilliant strike runner because O’Neill hasn’t done everything to keep Timana Tahu.
The absence of these four players has hugely weakened the Wallabies.
O’Neill has a hard approach to negotiating, which may be good for the administrative side of the game (though his failure to suggest a Super 18 instead of 15 would suggest not).
However, when it comes to players he simply seems to be unaware that:
a. There is a lack of talent available in Australia. Losing or not acquiring three or four top players really does matter in a way it wouldn’t in New Zealand.
b. Negotiating with players involves using kid gloves and backing down sometimes in a way unnecessary with office workers. Otherwise, they get unhappy and go.
By all means, keep O’Neill for the general administration of the game.
But for all matters relating to players, someone else should be given responsibility as soon as possible.
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anopinion said | September 2nd 2009 @ 8:00am | Report comment
Dear Kingplaymaker,
You have made some pretty bad points. Lote Tuqiri would not have made the starting team this season, other players were performing well above him this season. Moral? Are you sitting down to breakfast with a player each day and seeing him not want to go to work. You are joking. These guys love playing and could not be more motivated to represent Australia. To challenge this is to not ever have spent time with a top level sportsman.
Dan Vickerman gives away loads of penalties, a fine payer still and we would love to have him. However, negotiations are important as we have finite dollars and some players want more than we can spend. Thank you John Oneill for not spending too much on each player.
RL is a different game. Like Chess and Checkers. Tennis and Squash. Being a good player in one does not mean automatic success in the other. If Tahu did not prove this then it is pointless allowing you to watch anymore games. Did you see the Qld fullback this year, the guy from RL, he was awful. Did you watch Tahu leak points against SA and drop passes and give poor passes against Fiji? When was the last time you saw Tuqiri put someone into space with a well timed pass?
The Link said | September 2nd 2009 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
Tiquiri would be playing this weekend against SA.
Nick P-G said | September 3rd 2009 @ 11:51am | Report comment
A bit harsh.
Mark McLinden did just fine. Hell, I thought he was damn decent.
Epi said | September 3rd 2009 @ 4:49pm | Report comment
McLinden did more than fine… He was in the mix for a squad start.
Clinton did just fine the year before.
Don’t let fact get in the way of a rant….
Todd Day said | September 2nd 2009 @ 8:16am | Report comment
Lote would have brought the game into disrepute…..severly by his actions. Vickerman may still return when he realises how dissapointing club rugby is in the UK. Lote and Timana can’t play union at test level. Deans is investing in the future and the team have improved, however they are learning to win….badly at the moment but wait till the world cup. Moving Giteau to 12 is just the start. Forget the league boys stick with union players coming through the junior ranks.O’Neill is a very smart administrator….imagine if we were lumbered with Gallop…..he would have ok’d the VRU bid by now and then disaster would be just around the corner. Please John don’t let the VRU become a cross section of what is QLD reds and the firepower fiasco. The VRU and Gray have shown ny their actions over the last week simply how unprofessional they are.
Knives Out said | September 2nd 2009 @ 8:18am | Report comment
What’s dissapointing about club rugby in the UK, Todd?
pothale said | September 2nd 2009 @ 8:47am | Report comment
They play under a cloud all the time, silly.
onside said | September 2nd 2009 @ 11:02am | Report comment
and its not the long white one
kingplaymaker said | September 2nd 2009 @ 8:33am | Report comment
kingplaymaker said | September 2nd 2009 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Anopinion and Todd, Tuqiri has been out of form, but is a world class wing when playing well and I believe Deans would have brought him back to that level. In any case, the main thing about his sacking was the obviously terrible effect it has had on team morale. Tahu was just getting up to speed in union and is a far more talented strike runner than Cross or Ashley-Cooper. Vickerman may cost a little, but it is necessary to spend a little in order to build a strong team, as the Wallabies produce so many fewer high quality players than New Zealand or South Africa. For the same reason it is necessary to spend to buy a good full-back from league, as union is not producing them. Last weekend saw the feeble back three of Turner, Hynes and O’Connor (a good player, but a centre not a full-back), and a mediocre second-row combination in the loose and in the lineout. If there were a back three of Ioane, Tuqiri and Karmichael Hunt/Billy Slater, with Vickerman back to rule the lineout and muscle around in the loose, thereby plugging all the weak spots in the team, the Wallabies would be a much more competitive side.
Justin said | September 2nd 2009 @ 8:46am | Report comment
Hayne beats all 3 of those guys KP
kingplaymaker said | September 2nd 2009 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Justin it could be but neither he nor Inglis or Folau was off-contract or had a clause allowing them to leave this year. Hunt and Slater were in those situations respectively.
JimC said | September 2nd 2009 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
Lote “can’t play union at test level” – Huh?????
He had nothing to prove.
Hayden said | September 3rd 2009 @ 10:27am | Report comment
Must be why his head swelled, and he got fat, lazy and arrogant.
cookee said | September 2nd 2009 @ 4:01pm | Report comment
DAY IS NIGHT,SO vickerman will leave a so called poor comp and race back to aust rugby;are you serious
the team has improved;youve got to be kidding ,right:theyre building for rwc.
jono is the greatest sports administrator of all time;yeah right;flush with money,winning everything in sight and aust rugby harmonious and vital
do you drive the lift at aru mate
fox said | September 2nd 2009 @ 9:04am | Report comment
A bit harsh on JO, kingplaymaker. It’s actually a good thing for rugby to have a strong CEO. The last massively successful era in Australian rugby was overseen by the guy. He’s making tough decisions. He’s trying to fill the coffers again. These can only be good things in a very competitive market like Australia.
Tuquiri was perhaps his own worst enemy. Who knows? He certainly didn’t cover hiomself in glory off the field over the years.
Tahu was an enigma wrapped in a mystery. He didn’t play enough rugby convincingly to warrant selection. He took his bat and ball and went home. Toodles mate.
Look at how much AFL is paying Hunt. Do we need to spend that sort of cash? Slater is the least likely candidate to make the leap across codes.
Who knows what happened with Vickerman? He’ll be back for RWC 2010 though, I can guarantee you that much.
kingplaymaker said | September 2nd 2009 @ 9:30am | Report comment
Fox I agree that O’Neill’s toughness and realism are excellent for the administration and negotiation necessary in running the ARU, and I think he is a good chairman in this respect.
However I think his understanding of how vital really good players are to the Wallabies is bad. He thinks they are replaceable just as normal company employees are, and does not realise how limited they are in number and that they are not replaceable.
By all means he should cut costs elsewhere, but not when it means weakening the national side.
Dexter William said | September 2nd 2009 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
KPM
You do not have any idea how hard it is to run an organisation. There are always budget concerns and bringing League players over (JON has done it before) has been tried and the success of which is questionable. Go back and watch League mate.
Hammer said | September 2nd 2009 @ 9:23am | Report comment
Hunt was probably too expensive and who is to say he’d want to play for Australia – he’s a kiwi who only really made himself available for Kangaroo selection so he could play SoO … and Slater – fu#k me – he’s got the worst defence of all the top line fullbacks in league
Yikes said | September 2nd 2009 @ 9:28am | Report comment
This article is a parody, right?
cookee said | September 2nd 2009 @ 4:24pm | Report comment
who is being imitated yikes
couchnorm said | September 2nd 2009 @ 9:32am | Report comment
You don’t see much of JON lately. In the earlier days of Deans appointment he was in every photo, every frame of film and next to him in every press conference. It was much the same with Eddie Jones, is Deans going to suffer the same fate?
I don’t think Vickerman is playing for Northhampton, I hasn’t appeared in any of there games todate
RickG said | September 2nd 2009 @ 9:36am | Report comment
Tahu left of his own accord – I doubt his heart was ever really in it, probably talked into it by his manager to earn more money. Tuqiri? Well if someone actually told us what happened we might be able to make an informed comment about it.
Harry said | September 2nd 2009 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Excellent piece but you missed the biggest of all:
5. Getting rid of the ARC. Defenders of Sydney and Brisbane club rugby will point to the excellent standard of competition this year, particuarly in Sydney, but (and I greatly enjoy watching club games live) the gap between club rugby and test rugby is just too vast, we need a strong Australia wide domestic comp. At the moment we are using the Wallabies as much as a development team (Alexander, Pocock, Genia, O’Conner) instead of the pinnacle of the game. Allied to that
6. Withdrawing Australia A from the Pacific Nations Cup. Someone mentions Tahu above, I thought he actually played his best union late this season for the Tahs (Particuarly in SA) but then, because of the axeing of the Australia A program, he had nowhere to go (And I’m sorry Sydney club rugby does not make test players these days) except back to League. A real pity.
Dexter William said | September 2nd 2009 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
ARC cost to much money. It was a silly idea by Flower to start it. Do you want to see a bankrupt ARU?
Anyway we won two WC without the ARC, and both times we did not have any League Players.
Tahu was welcome into Rugby, but he was not good enough. He needed more game time and it was evident. He was expected to put in next year for the Tahs, which is only fair. Everyone needs to put in before reaping the benefit. He pulled stump because it was too hard or not committed enough. So f him.
Bonza said | September 2nd 2009 @ 4:23pm | Report comment
The ARU said it cost too much money. All the start up costs were involved in the first season but most importantly there were benefits to players, regions and interest. Crowds were ok first up and there was a good feel and great up take from te players. Yes it might have been too expensive but to not give it a second year was poor. The biggest costs in rugby are ARU wages.
If you are happy to just win RWC’s and nothing in between then that is going to be a difficult business to manage
Dexter William said | September 2nd 2009 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
Hi Bons
Same question: Do you want the ARU to go broke?
Have the ARC for another year knowing that it is a financial disaster? Is that being responsible? Oh please please just one more year!!!
The way Australia is structured, it is going to be hard to have a successful ARC. Let us please support the school and club Rugby scene – perhaps the ARU can put in more.
The reason I brought up the 2 WC wins, is that we do have the capabilities based on the current structure. It would be great to have it all including the ARC, but as it stands, Aussies are a sport loving nation. It could be AFL, League, Soccer or Basketball we love them all. So the funds are limited to each code. The ARU has got to do what is within their financial menas to make ends meet. Winning a RWC, a Super title or two or even the B Cup would be great.
AndyS said | September 2nd 2009 @ 5:38pm | Report comment
But they also found new revenue streams exceeding the cost, so they wouldn’t have gone broke. It does make me wonder what they spent the money on instead that was so much more effective at producing players ready for the Wallabies and Super rugby…whatever it was, maybe ain’t working out so well.
But putting that aside, I would note that the more accurate statement is that the current structures DID enable us to win RWCs, Super titles and Bledisloe Cups. There is no guarantee that we will again, and we certainly haven’t challenged on any front in recent times. Everyone else seems to be moving forward and growing the game, especially in the Northern Hemisphere, and even the other codes seem prepared to restructure for growth. We on the other hand do seem to be clinging to the old ways a bit, when again the best we can really say is that they were great back when the game was amateur.
Bonza said | September 2nd 2009 @ 7:37pm | Report comment
We overachieved in 2003 and Wallaby wise have done little since – we are there abouts, have introduced the Force and maybe Melbourne but the rest of the grassroots is dwindling.
Australian Cricket loses about $10m dollars a year funding the state comp but does it because it knows that it is important. It uses its test profits to fund it.
The ARU has decided the expansdion of the s14 is the go and therefore are staying in the same market place for income and sponsors. The arc had the potential to allow other people to get involved at a cheaper level but more importantly allow a regional focus for development.
You say lets support the school and club scene but it is so wide that the money just disappears – in terms of a rugby pyramid it goes from Wallabies to 5 s15 teams to 23 clubs (Bris &Syd only, closer to 50 if you support the clubs in the provinces of Force, ACT and Melb) and after that who knows – the pyramid is exceptionally flat. The schools like to sit out on their own and dont want to be part of any provincial system of development and are independantly wealthy but only play 8 games a year – the high schools dont have a year to year competition. Where do you propose you spend the money you saved on arc? You are spending 60% of your TV rights income in ACT,WA and Melb and they produce about 10% of the rugby population – tell me about that as a smart business model
Bonza said | September 2nd 2009 @ 7:42pm | Report comment
BTW – we cant win a B cup because we dont play in any A comps, We haven’t won Super rugby in 6 years (close a few times) but we are happy to pay $700+k to be in the sevens circuit with players outside of the top 130 in the country and battle just to beat ivory coast, marocco or some other rugby giant. This involvement is entirely political to keep the IRB happy which proves that not everything the ARU is based on financial prudency
Dexter William said | September 2nd 2009 @ 11:31pm | Report comment
Well Bons
Do we want Flowers back then?
The reason we went backwards in the last few years was because Flowers was running the show.
There are many ways to run the show. Maybe JON has taken the wrong route, but he is the man and he is answerable being the CEO.
Too many if and buts on the ARC, and if JON had made the decision to carry the comp say $3 to 5 million in deficit and if the balance sheets get screwed, I am sure there will be a big band wagon of Roarers who would question his decision. So what can he do? He must make some judgment call and stand up to his believe. He has a great reputation as a Sport Administrator, and I doubt he wants to jeopardise that. His neck is on the line. I doubt he wants to go out like Mr Flowers.
The reason we are under achieving IMO is that we are playing stupid Rugby. If you follow the game closely, I am sure that like me, you would scream at the TV when ever an overlap is ignored by a stupid kick that goes down the throat of the opposing backline.
At the end of the day, we should not be expecting to be WC all of the time, but as Rugby fans, we want to see that we are utilising our cattle in the best possible way. The mindless kicking from our players are driving me nuts.
Jameswm said | September 2nd 2009 @ 9:49am | Report comment
I don’t agree with any of those points.
Tahu’s heart wasn’t in it, so let him go. Good call.
Vickerman has gone to England for an education. It wasn’t a question of money. Wish him the best and tell him when he wants to come home, we’d love to have him.
We don’t need a league fullback – our fullback has not cost us any of these games. If I had my pick it’d be Hayne though, that’s for sure. he, Inglis and Folau – what natural freaks. But I don’t think we should be chasing them hard.
Farmer said | September 2nd 2009 @ 9:54am | Report comment
Tiquiri had unfortunately passed his peak.
Having watched him play for the Waratahs for the last year and this year, he was unable to beat a man, never made a break and when he was put into the clear, 45 metres out, he was run down easily.
He had lost his speed, he was not going to be in the starting side and would be lucky to have made the squad. It was time to go and through his own actions, he made that a reality. He may have been a good player but not anymore.