Robbie Deans has stated that he intends casting his net wider across Australian rugby in preparing his squad for the upcoming Grand Slam tour in Europe.
He will look at players from club level and consider new developing players for bolstering his squad in advance of WC 2011.
It’s clear that Graham Henry has some work to do, and no doubt the New Zealand squad travelling north this November will have a few new faces.
Of the three Southern Hemisphere nations, Peter de Villiers is the coach sitting most comfortably. He has talked previously about the strength in depth of the Boks squad, albeit they were found wanting in the third Lions Test earlier this year.
So how do fellow Roarers view the upcoming matches, and how do they rate their teams’ chances?
And those of the Northern Hemisphere competitors?
More recent comments on here would suggest that the Southern Hemisphere whitewash of last year (Wales excepted) won’t be so easily repeated this time round.
The clean sweep executed by the All Blacks last November seemed to be a racing certainty before they’d even landed on European soil.
With New Zealand heading for a battle with Australia for the Tri Nations wooden spoon, Graham Henry might be more circumspect about his team’s chances in seven weeks time.
Will he view it as a chance to develop the team, and attempt to persuade the All Blacks fanatical supporters in advance that development of players is more important than achieving an expected 100 percent record?
Australia have dubbed their tour of Europe as a Grand Slam tour – so the expectations are set before they’ve hopped on a plane.
Some commentators on here would believe that the standard of the top three in the IRB table is still well ahead of the rest. So how do they view this tour?
As for South Africa, will Peter De Villiers and his men carry a public expectation that they should sweep all before them, as they have done in the Tri Nations?
Or do they treat the tour as a developmental one that allows them to claim it as a preparation exercise for the World Cup?
Argentina are also touring the Northern Hemisphere, and the recent news that they have an opportunity to be part of a four nation competition in 2012 might give their players some heart and additional motivation.
Finally, Fiji are also batting on behalf of the Southern Hemisphere.
Some might regard them as easy fodder for the Northern Hemisphere teams, others might look to their World Cup performances and see a couple of surprise victories on the cards.
Italy, England, Wales, Scotland, France and Ireland are looking forward to the tours to give them a health and status check before they begin the new Six Nations tournament, and with a longer-term eye on their readiness for the World Cup.
By end of November, could the two and three spots on the IRB table have different names against them?
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September 15th 2009 @ 11:31pm
pothale said | September 15th 2009 @ 11:31pm | Report comment
Actually, on reflection, Wales should beat NZ this year with the backline they have.
September 15th 2009 @ 11:45pm
Knives Out said | September 15th 2009 @ 11:45pm | Report comment
First comes the piano shoving, and Wales will be missing A. Jones and Williams. Bad times.
September 16th 2009 @ 12:00am
ohtani's jacket said | September 16th 2009 @ 12:00am | Report comment
Are any SH sides going to win? That’s a whole lot of NH wins you’re predicting.
September 16th 2009 @ 12:29am
Knives Out said | September 16th 2009 @ 12:29am | Report comment
I think NZ will have a good tour. NH sides just can’t work them out. That isn’t true of Australia or SA.
September 16th 2009 @ 12:46am
pothale said | September 16th 2009 @ 12:46am | Report comment
OJ –
In an outbreak of perfect
collaboration and co-operation,
in preparation and anticipation
for the celebration of the quadrennial conglomeration
of every nation in the antipodean sheep-farmer station,
by general acclamation
the SH sides are going to win with elation,
and all the NH sides will win too,
to complete the equation.
September 16th 2009 @ 12:48am
Knives Out said | September 16th 2009 @ 12:48am | Report comment
Boring day at work?
September 16th 2009 @ 12:51am
pothale said | September 16th 2009 @ 12:51am | Report comment
Excuse me….splutter, spolutter…. I take great acceptance to that remark.
September 16th 2009 @ 12:52am
Knives Out said | September 16th 2009 @ 12:52am | Report comment
Good stuff. Very creative.
September 16th 2009 @ 1:04am
Viscount Crouchback said | September 16th 2009 @ 1:04am | Report comment
KO,
Do you think the absence of Flutey and Armitage will be all that important? Granted, it’s infuriating for England yet again to lose players just as they are developing a nice understanding, but I suspect that the presence or non-presence of a couple of backs isn’t going to affect Johnson’s gameplan much. I think he’s planning a brutal, one-dimensional slugfest against the Aussies and Boks. I suspect that after last Autumn’s embarrassments, Jonno is determined that no visitor to Twickers will ever have an easy game ever again. I expect us to perform like we did in Dublin – abrasive and no frills.
September 16th 2009 @ 1:37am
Knives Out said | September 16th 2009 @ 1:37am | Report comment
You could be right, Viscount. Time will tell. I think that England were pretty brutal against the other 6N sides, but simply found greater opportunity to counter attack. Johnson is a pragmatic man, but will he really allow a result to usurp the need for long-term progression? It’s a tricky dynamic to balance. With Shaw, Worsley, Ellis, Tindall and Cueto England looked that much more in control against 6N opposition (granted against opposition weaker than the 3N teams), so I don’t think Johnson will fear results like we saw last season. I think it depends on injuries. I heard that Hipkiss is out for three months?
Talking of injuries, I believe that Flutey’s absence will be problematic because there aren’t any similar ball playing inside centres in England. Flood played well there in the WC, but he is injured – as is Barkley, and Allen, Turner-Hall are currently too callow. Abendanon (if called up) is a dashing runner from deep but does he offer the reliability of Armitage? The same question must be asked of Foden. I think it’s worth considering Cipriani, personally.
September 16th 2009 @ 1:56am
pothale said | September 16th 2009 @ 1:56am | Report comment
Cipriani at 12? Interesting call, KO. He certainly has the burst of speed and ability to make good line breaks….hmmmm I like that the more I think about it.
Give Johnno a call – you’ve nothing to lose.
September 16th 2009 @ 2:01am
Knives Out said | September 16th 2009 @ 2:01am | Report comment
I meant Cipriani at 15. My fault, I should have clarified.
September 16th 2009 @ 2:17am
Knives Out said | September 16th 2009 @ 2:17am | Report comment
If one trawls the GP squads then the broad options for inside centre appear (at first glance) to be: Olly Barkley; Shontayne Hape; Mike Tindall; Jordan Turner-Hall; Toby Flood; Anthony Allen; Dan Hipkiss; Sam Vesty; Shane Geraghty; Bradley Barritt.
Some are injured, some aren’t playing well, and some don’t play 12 regularly.
September 16th 2009 @ 2:28am
Terry O'Donoghue said | September 16th 2009 @ 2:28am | Report comment
I think I’d like to see Olly Morgan at 15. He’s probably the most solid option. If the past six months of rugby have taught us anything, it’s surely that the best players at Test level are those who can perform the basics consistently well under pressure. That rules out Foden until he proves he’s more than just an occasional dazzler, and rules out Abendanon and Cipriani until they learn how to tackle.
September 16th 2009 @ 2:35am
Knives Out said | September 16th 2009 @ 2:35am | Report comment
I’m a fan of Morgan, but if Smith wants England to play the type of game that we saw in the 6N then I’m not sure that Morgan is the man.
September 16th 2009 @ 3:40am
Knives Out said | September 16th 2009 @ 3:40am | Report comment
Mmm… Mrs Knives Out is with female friends tonight so I’m at a loose end. In light of that I might share with all the wonderful Roarers my favoured 22 for the Autumn tests:
1. Sheridan; 2. Hartley; 3. White; 4. Shaw; 5. Borthwick (He wouldn’t make my team); 6. Croft; 7. Worsley; 8. Easter
9. Care; 10. Wilkinson; 11. Cueto; 12. Flutey/Geraghty; 13. Tindall/Tait; 14. Monye; 15. D. Armitage/Foden
16. Mears; 17. Vickery; 18. Lawes; 19. S. Armitage; 20. Care; 21. Cipriani; 22. D.Armitage/Foden
September 16th 2009 @ 5:52am
Colin N said | September 16th 2009 @ 5:52am | Report comment
Unfortunately Flutey and Armitage are out, although I assume that’s why you have gone with alternatives.
I would personally try out S.Armitage at openside, I really rate the guy. However, there’s a question mark over whether it would unbalance the back-row.
I don’t rate White, but I guess you could argue that there is no-one else. I hope Forster of Sale will push through over the next couple of years, and Wilson when he comes back from injury.
Being a pendantic sod, Monye will play 11 and Cueto 14.
September 16th 2009 @ 6:36am
Knives Out said | September 16th 2009 @ 6:36am | Report comment
Colin, I’ve answered in response to Viscount. Are you sure Cueto played 14? I’m going to check that out!
September 16th 2009 @ 6:55am
pothale said | September 16th 2009 @ 6:55am | Report comment
Eng v Samoa line-up in WC ’07.
“Josh Lewsey is moved from wing to full-back instead of hamstring victim Robinson, with Mark Cueto featuring in the Number 14 shirt.”
September 16th 2009 @ 7:55pm
Knives Out said | September 16th 2009 @ 7:55pm | Report comment
Ha! Versus Scotland Cueto wore the 11 shirt and Monye wore the 14 shirt. Cueto wore the 14 shirt against Argentina, but I knew I’d seen him wearing 11 somewhere.
September 16th 2009 @ 10:25pm
Colin N said | September 16th 2009 @ 10:25pm | Report comment
No he didn’t.
Check this out:
http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/england/13285.php
I believe it’s the third picture, which shows Cueto wearing the number 14 against Scotland.
Monye’s try also came on the left wing.
Cueto played left-wing against Italy, when Sackey started with him.