Is the match fixed at the Roosters?
By Steve Kaless, 28 Sep 2009 Steve Kaless is a Roar Guru
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Aren’t the Roosters the team that just keeps on giving? How pleased David Gallop must be that on Grand Final week he has yet another stench to clean up around Bondi Junction.
Did someone at the Roosters call someone at the Sharks and scream “FULL HOUSE!” down the phone?
And whole swag of assaults, DUI and the great public defecation (I may have missed a few) and then a few allegations of match fixing just to top off a fine 2009. Oh yeah, and toss in the regular use of brothels while you are at it.
Of any of the PR disasters they have been involved in surely tossing a match must be a whole stratosphere above any of the other misdemeanours. This is not to dismiss the other deeds, but to highlight the seriousness of the allegations.
Match fixing tarnishes the whole integrity of the code, you are one step from the farce of professional wrestling once that comes into play.
Most sports around the world have had to deal with it rearing its ugly head at some point and it is probably just a matter of time before some player loses all dignity with the thought of a quick pay day.
It’s the fighting it that is the key. Most of the time you are just relying on pride to self regulate but we are reminded time and time again that every man has a price.
Of course policing and proving it is another matter.
Unless you can get actual rock hard proof of a player placing a bet or receiving payment it is impossibly hard to actually prove anything dodgy.
Having said that obviously vigilance is the key and everything must be done particularly with the enormous presence that gambling holds in our society, but the difficulty in proving it means that when you actually find proof you need to come down on the perpetrators like a ton of bricks.
But what I didn’t like was the TAB’s Glen Munsie claiming that he was suspicious not only because of the amounts that had been wagered but because the Roosters were down by 10 and “tossing the ball about like the Harlem Globetrotters”.
Now everyone has their right to an opinion but what do you want, a side down by a few tries so they stick it under their wing and crash it up until the final whistle?
Hard data like suspicious betting patterns is one thing but once we start to query a player every time something goes wrong on the field we are doomed.
For example, with the scores at 0-0 St George receive a penalty forty metres out from the try line and two weeks in a row opt for a shot at a penalty goal. Common place in Union but eyebrow raising in League. Did anyone check the betting patterns on the “Method of First Scoring Play – St George penalty” market at Centrebet?
Of course not. And rightly so, but we must be careful not to tar every upset with the accusation of a fix. It is the usual moan of the mug punter.
Which brings us back to Munsie.
Every week the numerous bookmaking agencies are filling newspaper columns with tales of odds and value to entice the mug punter from parting with their cash and filling their coffers. They often have advertising deals with the particular media groups and even special prices for the journalists who drop their agencies when discussing the weekly prices.
Munsie even claimed they announced the suspension of betting in order to perhaps stop any fix taking place. How noble! Of course they aren’t noble enough to perhaps not accept any bets on sport or even just stop sponsoring them so we can listen to a game in peace without being badgered with the latest prices as though we are in the middle of a stockmarket pit.
Of course while I do hold a grudge against bookmakers, I too think there was something odd with the Roosters match.
A number of sources from within punting circles had heard tales of vast sums being placed on that match, as well as a number of previous Roosters matches.
Of course, we are talking about the Roosters 2009 to lose a match not the Roosters 2003. We are hardly talking about a completely freak occurrence here.
But the way the prices were cut and the line moved certainly backed the theory that something was up.
Are we just jumping at shadows?
Roosters CEO Steve Noyce looked to dismiss in by saying that if they investigated every rumour it would be a full time job for someone. At the Roosters I’d argue about five full time jobs.
But this isn’t just something about a player and his performance between the sheets laughed about at the pub, this is one of the most serious allegations you can make coming out in a national newspaper.
Surely things need to be looked in, I’d lay it at the feet of the NRL. How seriously are the Roosters going to look into it as if there is anything behind it, it would result in a meltdown of confidence from their already battered fan base and probably an astronomical fine from the NRL (should that be a ‘long overdue’ astronomical fine?).
As I stated earlier I’d argue you largely need to hope the players are smart enough not to risk their careers over such a matter.
The Roosters overhaul has begun with the appointment of Brian Smith. Now it looks like they have signed Todd Carney, an interesting choice to say the least.
Better start filling those full time roles Steve.
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GaryGnu said | September 28th 2009 @ 7:11am | Report comment
All this because TAB got their opinion of the game wrong and like anything mispriced in a market the money flowed towards it.
Gotta say that the Roosters didn’t inspire confidence before that game and as it turned out that game was a repitition of many before it as far as the roosters are concerned.
What did someone wise once say? – “Never gamble on anything that can talk”
LeftArmSpinner said | September 28th 2009 @ 8:06am | Report comment
If you allow a club to be so poorly and amateurishly run like the roosters, or the sharks, you will get this sort of stuff. At least the sharks have removed the chairman, ceo, and board and had a comprehensive independent review of the place.
meanwhile, the roosters continue with their heads in the sand and treating the club as their own fiefdom. carney is just the latest example of poor judgement and inability to adopt modern management practice.
I cant wait for carney and mason and Friend and Pearce and Myles and Sa and Cherrington and the brothel boys to go out for a pizza after training and cut a swathe across the eastern suburbs. crashed cars, belted women, police called, shit everywhere: and that is just based on this season. Oh, yes it was a foundation club, but that doesnt mean that they can or should behave as the players did in years gone by.
Its not going to change soon. expect another Wooden spoon.
Bookies will have them favourites, for both the wooden spoon and the first player misdemeanour. better frame the market soon because preseason starts soon and so will the plethora of unacceptable off field behaviour.
Terry Kidd said | September 28th 2009 @ 9:12am | Report comment
I haven’t heard any of this. What game was it? What were the betting moves? Please give us some background Steve.
captain nemo said | September 28th 2009 @ 9:58am | Report comment
terry, was a front page article in the SMH on saturday plus a whole page on the story in the same newspaper. Some serious hearsay allegations were raised from apparent “inside sources”. The source thought that in hindesight there was 1 or 2 players who would be up for what has been alleged.
Pippinu said | September 28th 2009 @ 9:14am | Report comment
Roy made a bit of sense on Offsiders – that the Roosters have been fading out of games in the last 10-15 minutes for most of the season.
When there’s a set pattern – people will plonk money on the pattern continuing.
But there is a more general issue here about the whole gambling phenomenon.
I don’t have a problem with setting odds on margins, and allowing people to lose their money more often than not – but I’m a bit more worried about the the very specialised bets, where it is possible for a handful of people to be able to get a desired result.
The example of the first score is a good one.
During the AFL season we had a situation where there were rumours that Brisbane was going to start a regular defender at full forward, and there was a plunge on him being the first goalkicker – which he was – and those who got in early got very good odds.
It’s those sorts of scenarios I have a problem with.
Terry Kidd said | September 28th 2009 @ 10:05am | Report comment
Thanks Nemo, I’m in Qld so missed the SMH on Saturday, I’ll go have a look. Cheers,
captain nemo said | September 28th 2009 @ 10:29am | Report comment
whether this is true or not we will never know because this story will go no where. Rugby League teams and betting rumours have been floating around Sydney for years. In 2004/5 a good mate of mine told me about the Dragons always taking first points by penalty when they played at Kogarah with a certain front rower (no longer at the club) being great at losing the ball in the tackle. He would always hit it up centre of the field. Being at home, he had about a 75% chance of getting the penalty when he stood up without the ball. When this rumour started the dragons were getting $9 first score by penalty. 12 months later it was paying about $5. based on the rumour, I started backing it and it payed off. I would of backed them first score by penaly about 10 times, got the chocolates every time but once. some rumours can financially benefit you big time!!!
Spiro Zavos said | September 28th 2009 @ 1:56pm | Report comment
My beef about all this is the rather blase attitude the Roosters management is taking to all of this in my opinion. There does not seem to be any concern, or it is not apparent to me, that there is going to be a root and branch investigation into the serious allegations raised by the SMH. Although the allegation are hearsay and circumstantial, there should be such an investigation because the journalistic team raising them is the same group that exposed the bad things happening at the Cronulla Sharks earlier in the season.
The finals season has been terrific with the Eels providing the Cinderella story that all finals need to stir up the passion of the fans. The Roosters, though, are letting down the game now on a justified finals high – and their sponsors – with their head-in-the sand approach to this most serious series of allegations.
Redb said | September 28th 2009 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
Just a general comment…
Betting agencies are getting ever powerful wtih the amount of dollars going into sport.
I note two instances from the weekend which link sporting results with the impact on betting agencies, one in the Storm game, the other in the AFL GF where Rooke kicked a goal after the siren. In the Storm game one of the commentators questioned why the players did not finish off the play and its impact on sports betting.
I’d like to say to the betting agencies get stuffed, but increasingly they are throwing their weight around. I’d hate to see rule changes to appease these agencies who so often have the inside word but dont make it public.
Redb
p.s. The Roosters saved Cronulla from being considered the worst sporting club in the land on and off the field.
captain nemo said | September 28th 2009 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
redb, you forgot to throw the Queensland Reds in that group of forgetmenots
Redb said | September 28th 2009 @ 2:37pm | Report comment
Oh yes the hapless QLD Reds – but I guess they failed to even get a player in the paper for the right or even wrong reasons.
Matt S said | September 28th 2009 @ 4:03pm | Report comment
Spiros, maybe NRL execs are blase because the media jump on anything negative about rugby league and push it out to the public as the leader in moral decay. I’m sick of it as are the fans. In the SMH we had a fantastic game on Friday night-record crowd, record ratings, great footy and the SMH has the temerity to put the Roosters betting story on the front page! This is a totally baseless story yet gets front page. I too would be blase and throw my hands in the air and think, ‘here we go again’
If you look at roosters games all year, you can see they have faded in most games this season just like they did in the Cowboys game. Added, they were seen out at the races with footy further from their mind. All it would take is a few mates to ring each other and suddenly you have a betting plunge on a sure thing.
Let’s get back to reporting about facts because it has been a free for all for the game in 09 and the fans have backed the NRL. The stats agree also.
mushi said | September 28th 2009 @ 5:00pm | Report comment
Spiro without any further evidence what investigation can they complete when the crack elite super sleuth journalists that brought down the Cronulla house of cards haven’t found anything more than unusual betting trends from a couple of bookies who got burnt.
It also should be noted that a fair bit of what those same super elite journos uncovered has not yet been substantiated. If you print every bad thing you hear of course you will be right at some point.
The allegation is about a serious matter but the allegation itself is at this point nothing more than conjecture. With equally as relevant conjecture from informed sources suggesting that it isn’t true.
So the roosters lost by 13 points or more. Prior to that match their for and against was -12.3 per game for the season, -12.7 for the last half and -17 for the 5 games prior.
Put it this way if you made that bet every week for the 15 weeks prior you would have won 9 times.
And here’s the other thing people momentum trade with betting like they do with stocks they chase odds as they think someone else has some knowledge they don’t. suspending betting on something just sends people into FOMO mode, same as suspending a stock causes rampant speculation.
I have heard tales from people working at agencies that they have found “legitimate” reasons to suspend betting to actually encourage people to jump on it afterwards.
If the matter does have enough evidence to warrant an investigation then wouldn’t the most responsible thing be to allow the police to conduct it this rather than a football board who last time I checked weren’t exactly all from a law enforcement background.