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		<title>By: Anakin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anakin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George - I&#039;ve watched the replays champ, and I&#039;m still of the opinion Fui was required to release Slater when he attempted to rise. Its irrelevant how good the tackle was - the rules state he must clear off once the tackle is effected. That said, the reply clearly shows Slaters arm being hit by a Parra player running back onside .. which is what dislodged the ball. Its semantics which penalty was given - but either way the rules were on Storms side, not Archer!

All that aside, I&#039;ve never seen so much dribble on behalf of the losing team! Melbourne have had their share of critics over the years, but at least (in most cases) their dominance has been recognised. Whether one agrees with the structured game, flat rucking, lack of spontaneity blah blah blah is all subjective ... the bottom line is they&#039;re in the business of winning premiership. And as anyone who has lost one will tell you, they&#039;d rather win one ugly than lose one in any fashion. But alas, I digress: how about the NSW folk get off the Fitgerald bandwagon and acknowledge the Storm for what they are - a well drilled, well coached club (and I say club, because with personnel changes over the years i dont think its fair to refer to their era as a &quot;team&quot; effort) who have managed to do what it takes in the modern game to make grand finals - the only place from which one may win a premiership. 

Yes, Parra had a rapid rise at the back end of the season; yes, Jarryd Hayne is a talented player; yes, hindmarsh &amp; Cayless are footballing gods who probably deserved a premiership (as did El Masri!!) but were THEY really the success story of the year in the big picture. What of the Bulldogs rise from cellar dwellers to contenders; the Dragons rise under their deity Bennett; the emergence of manly when all thought they&#039;d suffer premiership hangover; the ressurection of the Broncos after a record thrashing ... etc etc. 

The big news for me comes out of todays RLW - and a rumour the Storm may let Dallas johnson go!!! WTF?

Kudos to Storm for winning the premiership and sealing their place as a great team of their time; and commiserations to the Eels for getting close, but no cigar. Acknowledge the superstars of our game - but lets not dwell on things which one arguably see&#039;s with one eye because of club allegiances (or otherwise). Put it in the been there, done that basket and lets simply look forward to season 2010.

Look not back int the past, but towards the future, you&#039;ll spend the rest of your life there!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George &#8211; I&#8217;ve watched the replays champ, and I&#8217;m still of the opinion Fui was required to release Slater when he attempted to rise. Its irrelevant how good the tackle was &#8211; the rules state he must clear off once the tackle is effected. That said, the reply clearly shows Slaters arm being hit by a Parra player running back onside .. which is what dislodged the ball. Its semantics which penalty was given &#8211; but either way the rules were on Storms side, not Archer!</p>
<p>All that aside, I&#8217;ve never seen so much dribble on behalf of the losing team! Melbourne have had their share of critics over the years, but at least (in most cases) their dominance has been recognised. Whether one agrees with the structured game, flat rucking, lack of spontaneity blah blah blah is all subjective &#8230; the bottom line is they&#8217;re in the business of winning premiership. And as anyone who has lost one will tell you, they&#8217;d rather win one ugly than lose one in any fashion. But alas, I digress: how about the NSW folk get off the Fitgerald bandwagon and acknowledge the Storm for what they are &#8211; a well drilled, well coached club (and I say club, because with personnel changes over the years i dont think its fair to refer to their era as a &#8220;team&#8221; effort) who have managed to do what it takes in the modern game to make grand finals &#8211; the only place from which one may win a premiership. </p>
<p>Yes, Parra had a rapid rise at the back end of the season; yes, Jarryd Hayne is a talented player; yes, hindmarsh &amp; Cayless are footballing gods who probably deserved a premiership (as did El Masri!!) but were THEY really the success story of the year in the big picture. What of the Bulldogs rise from cellar dwellers to contenders; the Dragons rise under their deity Bennett; the emergence of manly when all thought they&#8217;d suffer premiership hangover; the ressurection of the Broncos after a record thrashing &#8230; etc etc. </p>
<p>The big news for me comes out of todays RLW &#8211; and a rumour the Storm may let Dallas johnson go!!! WTF?</p>
<p>Kudos to Storm for winning the premiership and sealing their place as a great team of their time; and commiserations to the Eels for getting close, but no cigar. Acknowledge the superstars of our game &#8211; but lets not dwell on things which one arguably see&#8217;s with one eye because of club allegiances (or otherwise). Put it in the been there, done that basket and lets simply look forward to season 2010.</p>
<p>Look not back int the past, but towards the future, you&#8217;ll spend the rest of your life there!!</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the game deciding dodgy penalty in the dying stages??? Is anyone concerned that 1st grade matches  and now a grand final are  being decided by such rubbish and not player merit?? Fui did so well to pull off that game breaking tackle to possibly take it to extra time. Parra had gathered momentum at that point and it was in crucial feild position. Archer for some reason decided to kill every chance of a come back in the last 10 minutes when Melb was finally on the back foot. He clearly allowed Melb to slow the play the ball down more as the game went on. Missed a blatant knock on which everyone saw.Then a disgusting premiership deciding unecessary penalty. I could see from the stands with my binocs that Slater lost the ball. Please check out replay its obvious. As for the so-called second grab? The tackle wasn&#039;t completed, Fui had every right on a dominate tackle or otherwise, to do what he did. That was the best thing Archer could come up with after he viewed the replay. So whats the next excuse Archer will think of? Give me a break. He ruined the grand final for everyone except Melb. He did Storm a huge favour in the end when they desperately needed it.This is a disaster for the game. Shame on the NRL if they don&#039;t encourage Archer to retire. Clearly and especially in a grand final that penalty is a sackable offence. Remember PEOPLE, now anyone&#039;s team is a target. 
As for J Howard at the helm of NRL. ARE THEY FOR REAL??? Gus Gould cares more for the game than a politician and knows and understands the game much more as a player. More importantly he has the guts to say it how it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the game deciding dodgy penalty in the dying stages??? Is anyone concerned that 1st grade matches  and now a grand final are  being decided by such rubbish and not player merit?? Fui did so well to pull off that game breaking tackle to possibly take it to extra time. Parra had gathered momentum at that point and it was in crucial feild position. Archer for some reason decided to kill every chance of a come back in the last 10 minutes when Melb was finally on the back foot. He clearly allowed Melb to slow the play the ball down more as the game went on. Missed a blatant knock on which everyone saw.Then a disgusting premiership deciding unecessary penalty. I could see from the stands with my binocs that Slater lost the ball. Please check out replay its obvious. As for the so-called second grab? The tackle wasn&#8217;t completed, Fui had every right on a dominate tackle or otherwise, to do what he did. That was the best thing Archer could come up with after he viewed the replay. So whats the next excuse Archer will think of? Give me a break. He ruined the grand final for everyone except Melb. He did Storm a huge favour in the end when they desperately needed it.This is a disaster for the game. Shame on the NRL if they don&#8217;t encourage Archer to retire. Clearly and especially in a grand final that penalty is a sackable offence. Remember PEOPLE, now anyone&#8217;s team is a target.<br />
As for J Howard at the helm of NRL. ARE THEY FOR REAL??? Gus Gould cares more for the game than a politician and knows and understands the game much more as a player. More importantly he has the guts to say it how it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Anakin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anakin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right you are WB - in hindsight perhaps I should have simply read Spiro&#039;s full text more clearly and simply pointed out what was actually said. Oh well - trust my comment was informative nonetheless ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right you are WB &#8211; in hindsight perhaps I should have simply read Spiro&#8217;s full text more clearly and simply pointed out what was actually said. Oh well &#8211; trust my comment was informative nonetheless <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MyGeneration</title>
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		<dc:creator>MyGeneration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Adam Blair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Adam Blair.</p>
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		<title>By: MyGeneration</title>
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		<dc:creator>MyGeneration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia tells us the last time in NRL was Brad Mackay for the Dragons in 1993 and, in AFL, Chris Judd for West Coast in 2005.  I would have gone for Dallas Johnson the other day myself, but Hindmarsh, Cronk, Moi Moi, Slater and Inglis all had claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia tells us the last time in NRL was Brad Mackay for the Dragons in 1993 and, in AFL, Chris Judd for West Coast in 2005.  I would have gone for Dallas Johnson the other day myself, but Hindmarsh, Cronk, Moi Moi, Slater and Inglis all had claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t telling you not to call it football, was just explaining why I don&#039;t so you didn&#039;t get all shitty with me using the word &#039;soccer&#039; (as my experience with the English soccer fan - the ones who don&#039;t try and kill you for the colour of your jumper at least - is that they think this is some how an illegitimate and offensive word, despite being of English origin and having significant utility in confusion avoidance in countries where soccer is more of a peripheral sport).

In any case we do technically have a Rugby Union &#039;Leagues&#039; here, it&#039;s just that they remain city centric, with the largest being in Sydney. Australia is geographically too large for a national league without the proper funding and well thought out club-transcending team divisions given that it would compete directly with Rugby League and AFL. Moreover, a &#039;League&#039; in Australia is not what, say the EPL (or whatever the local English vernacular for it is), is. They&#039;re leagues with knockout competitions made up of the top half of each league tacked on to the end of it. It is like this in all our football codes, even the Super 14 involving South Africa and NZ. 

Union in Australia is ultimately very dependent on the success of the wallabies and, to a lesser extent, the 4 (soon to be 5) Super 14/15 sides we have. We have roughly one 6th of the player numbers of England, so our success in that sport is quite remarkable in many ways. The same could be said of soccer here too I fancy, given that for so long it was derided as a game for girls. We&#039;re doing quite well in that though too now, despite the relatively low quality of the competition here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t telling you not to call it football, was just explaining why I don&#8217;t so you didn&#8217;t get all shitty with me using the word &#8216;soccer&#8217; (as my experience with the English soccer fan &#8211; the ones who don&#8217;t try and kill you for the colour of your jumper at least &#8211; is that they think this is some how an illegitimate and offensive word, despite being of English origin and having significant utility in confusion avoidance in countries where soccer is more of a peripheral sport).</p>
<p>In any case we do technically have a Rugby Union &#8216;Leagues&#8217; here, it&#8217;s just that they remain city centric, with the largest being in Sydney. Australia is geographically too large for a national league without the proper funding and well thought out club-transcending team divisions given that it would compete directly with Rugby League and AFL. Moreover, a &#8216;League&#8217; in Australia is not what, say the EPL (or whatever the local English vernacular for it is), is. They&#8217;re leagues with knockout competitions made up of the top half of each league tacked on to the end of it. It is like this in all our football codes, even the Super 14 involving South Africa and NZ. </p>
<p>Union in Australia is ultimately very dependent on the success of the wallabies and, to a lesser extent, the 4 (soon to be 5) Super 14/15 sides we have. We have roughly one 6th of the player numbers of England, so our success in that sport is quite remarkable in many ways. The same could be said of soccer here too I fancy, given that for so long it was derided as a game for girls. We&#8217;re doing quite well in that though too now, despite the relatively low quality of the competition here.</p>
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		<title>By: Worlds Biggest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worlds Biggest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anakin, I will now correct myself !.  I meant to state that Robbie O wasn&#039;t the only Fullback to win the Clive Churchill medal as Lockyer won it in 2000. Spiro alluded to Robbie O being the ONLY fullback to win the Churchill medal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anakin, I will now correct myself !.  I meant to state that Robbie O wasn&#8217;t the only Fullback to win the Clive Churchill medal as Lockyer won it in 2000. Spiro alluded to Robbie O being the ONLY fullback to win the Churchill medal.</p>
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		<title>By: MrE</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder when was the last time in an AFL or NRL GF that a player from the losing side was given &#039;the medal&#039; as best player?

The poers that be probably feel that it would be a bit anti-climactic to award it to . . . &#039;a loser&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder when was the last time in an AFL or NRL GF that a player from the losing side was given &#8216;the medal&#8217; as best player?</p>
<p>The poers that be probably feel that it would be a bit anti-climactic to award it to . . . &#8216;a loser&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Mr cheese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr cheese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all you have to understand that &#039;the EPL&#039; is a foreign thing. We don&#039;t call it that. People over here probably think that EPL is that drug used by the cyclists.

 I am afraid that I will continue to use Football to describe,  er,  Football.

 Anyways,  Football over here is the number one sport by 5000 million miles. The clubs have been around for 125 years or something,  and Rugby League is very very very small.

 It&#039;s still quite funny,  though,  that you have a football league but not Rugby union league. Bizarre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all you have to understand that &#8216;the EPL&#8217; is a foreign thing. We don&#8217;t call it that. People over here probably think that EPL is that drug used by the cyclists.</p>
<p> I am afraid that I will continue to use Football to describe,  er,  Football.</p>
<p> Anyways,  Football over here is the number one sport by 5000 million miles. The clubs have been around for 125 years or something,  and Rugby League is very very very small.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s still quite funny,  though,  that you have a football league but not Rugby union league. Bizarre.</p>
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		<title>By: Karlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hoping for a Parra win, but Slater was absolutely fantastic yesterday. He and the other Storm players made Hayne look second rate. The only other bloke I could have given the Best player award to was Hindmarsh for 68 tackles and the other work he did. Hindmarsh could rest up and be explosive if he wished, but he sacrifices himself for the good of the team week in week out and without him The Storm would have won by 20 easily. To often fans and talent scouts look for the flashy or brilliant attacking players and I guess that is why the U/20 have so few good defenders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping for a Parra win, but Slater was absolutely fantastic yesterday. He and the other Storm players made Hayne look second rate. The only other bloke I could have given the Best player award to was Hindmarsh for 68 tackles and the other work he did. Hindmarsh could rest up and be explosive if he wished, but he sacrifices himself for the good of the team week in week out and without him The Storm would have won by 20 easily. To often fans and talent scouts look for the flashy or brilliant attacking players and I guess that is why the U/20 have so few good defenders.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well in WA they showed it right through presentation as well,very unusual for 9 who dont like RL very much in this state</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well in WA they showed it right through presentation as well,very unusual for 9 who dont like RL very much in this state</p>
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		<title>By: katzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>katzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slaters performance is over rated.
The Churchill should have gone to Moimoi, Cronk or Blair. All had far more impact on the game then Slater.
Hayne was unlucky in that his halves decided to go missing during the biggest game of the year.
Mortimer and Robson for all their success this year both had poor games, leaving far too much for Hayne to do, and with Melbournes defense being as good as it was Hayne stood no chance. The lack of incision by Inu and Mateo was telling also, that left hand offense which scored so many tries for Para this year was well and truly shut down. All adding to the pressure on Hayne to pull off a miracle every time he touched the ball. I doubt Slater would make any difference with the same inneffectual play makers around him. His bonus is that he always gets to play with the best in the game, from Melbourne to the QLD SOO team. Put Slater at the back for the roosters then we&#039;ll see how great he really is.

So I wouldn&#039;t give Slater the points victory in this one, Hayne to wear the Green And Gold 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slaters performance is over rated.<br />
The Churchill should have gone to Moimoi, Cronk or Blair. All had far more impact on the game then Slater.<br />
Hayne was unlucky in that his halves decided to go missing during the biggest game of the year.<br />
Mortimer and Robson for all their success this year both had poor games, leaving far too much for Hayne to do, and with Melbournes defense being as good as it was Hayne stood no chance. The lack of incision by Inu and Mateo was telling also, that left hand offense which scored so many tries for Para this year was well and truly shut down. All adding to the pressure on Hayne to pull off a miracle every time he touched the ball. I doubt Slater would make any difference with the same inneffectual play makers around him. His bonus is that he always gets to play with the best in the game, from Melbourne to the QLD SOO team. Put Slater at the back for the roosters then we&#8217;ll see how great he really is.</p>
<p>So I wouldn&#8217;t give Slater the points victory in this one, Hayne to wear the Green And Gold 1.</p>
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		<title>By: Anakin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anakin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worlds biggest: &quot;Spiro, just need to correct you regarding Robbie O being the first fullback to win the Churchill medal. Darren Lockyer won the Clive Churchill medal playing fullback in the 2000 Grand Final win over the Roosters.&quot;

Exactly! - and Robbie &#039;O&#039; won his in 1997 .. making him the FIRST; yet clearly not the last (or only one) to win the &quot;Churchill&quot; medal.

That said, as part of the Centenary Of League celebrations, the Clive Churchill Medal has been retrospectively awarded for man-of-the-match performances from season 1954, the first to feature mandatory grand finals. The first recipient from the 1954 season is the man for which the award was originally named, Clive Churchill.

Despite claims to the contrary at the time of the announcement of the retrospective medals that there had not been Man Of The Match awards for Grand Finals prior to 1986, this was not the case - there had been the Dave Brown Medal awarded at some stage, and, according the NSWRL&#039;s official match day program, a new prize was awarded in 1971, with the winner named by reporters covering the game (the first was won by South Sydney&#039;s Ron Coote). In 1972 the award went to Manly half back Dennis Ward, and the following year, to Manly&#039;s Bob Fulton. The retrospective Clive Churchill Medals - either by coincidence or design - reflect those award winners.

In the replayed grand finals of 1977 and 1978, the award was based on efforts over the course of both games.

These retrospective awards saw 6 fullbacks cliam the gong: Churchill, Langlands, Johns, Simms,  Schubert, &amp; Eadie (twice)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worlds biggest: &#8220;Spiro, just need to correct you regarding Robbie O being the first fullback to win the Churchill medal. Darren Lockyer won the Clive Churchill medal playing fullback in the 2000 Grand Final win over the Roosters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly! &#8211; and Robbie &#8216;O&#8217; won his in 1997 .. making him the FIRST; yet clearly not the last (or only one) to win the &#8220;Churchill&#8221; medal.</p>
<p>That said, as part of the Centenary Of League celebrations, the Clive Churchill Medal has been retrospectively awarded for man-of-the-match performances from season 1954, the first to feature mandatory grand finals. The first recipient from the 1954 season is the man for which the award was originally named, Clive Churchill.</p>
<p>Despite claims to the contrary at the time of the announcement of the retrospective medals that there had not been Man Of The Match awards for Grand Finals prior to 1986, this was not the case &#8211; there had been the Dave Brown Medal awarded at some stage, and, according the NSWRL&#8217;s official match day program, a new prize was awarded in 1971, with the winner named by reporters covering the game (the first was won by South Sydney&#8217;s Ron Coote). In 1972 the award went to Manly half back Dennis Ward, and the following year, to Manly&#8217;s Bob Fulton. The retrospective Clive Churchill Medals &#8211; either by coincidence or design &#8211; reflect those award winners.</p>
<p>In the replayed grand finals of 1977 and 1978, the award was based on efforts over the course of both games.</p>
<p>These retrospective awards saw 6 fullbacks cliam the gong: Churchill, Langlands, Johns, Simms,  Schubert, &#038; Eadie (twice)</p>
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		<title>By: Anakin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anakin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; ont worry about juniors or a Leagues Club or a supporter base just go &amp; buy the comp, a total disgrace

ROTFLMFAO - hang on, werent Storm in the 18s, 20s and NRL Grand Finals? Sounds like pretty good development to me .. how many Parra juniors have come thru parra&#039;s ranks from day dot? Get some facts before spruiking off - the Storms juniors are Melbourne based and Melbourne developed.

Who cares about a Leagues club - its a money grabber, nothing to do with the running of a football club, and as for supporter base - lets see Sydney clubs seperate each others supporters via seperate terminals at games between two Sydney based sides and see exactly who has what supporter base. Almost half of every Sydney clubs home ground supporter count belongs to the opposition .. Storms gate count would be 90% + die hard Storm supporters.

You seem to me to be a Fitgerald clone - an archaic dinosaur without a clue!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; ont worry about juniors or a Leagues Club or a supporter base just go &amp; buy the comp, a total disgrace</p>
<p>ROTFLMFAO &#8211; hang on, werent Storm in the 18s, 20s and NRL Grand Finals? Sounds like pretty good development to me .. how many Parra juniors have come thru parra&#8217;s ranks from day dot? Get some facts before spruiking off &#8211; the Storms juniors are Melbourne based and Melbourne developed.</p>
<p>Who cares about a Leagues club &#8211; its a money grabber, nothing to do with the running of a football club, and as for supporter base &#8211; lets see Sydney clubs seperate each others supporters via seperate terminals at games between two Sydney based sides and see exactly who has what supporter base. Almost half of every Sydney clubs home ground supporter count belongs to the opposition .. Storms gate count would be 90% + die hard Storm supporters.</p>
<p>You seem to me to be a Fitgerald clone &#8211; an archaic dinosaur without a clue!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Worlds Biggest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worlds Biggest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spiro, just need to correct you regarding Robbie O being the first fullback to win the Churchill medal. Darren Lockyer won the Clive Churchill medal playing fullback in the 2000 Grand Final win over the Roosters.

Onto the game, I agree the Storm were by far the better team as most people expected. It took the Eels one half of footy to get into the game and you can&#039;t play catch up with Melbourne. The Eels kicking game was deplorable particularly in the first half, I don&#039;t remember them getting any repeat sets from good kicking. Storm won the game when Inglis went uncontested for the high ball and scored untouched. I couldn&#039;t believe the Eels didn&#039;t contest this, Hayne should have gone for it, just poor play. At that stage it was 10-6 and game on, then GI scores, takes the crowd out of it and kills Eels momentum. The Eels did well to get back to 22-16 but ran out of time. Congrats to both teams for making the GF and the Storm for a great premiership win. How many Clubs could bounce back from a GF flogging the previous year and win it, amazing. As for MOM, I thought Slater was good but Inglis and Cronk were better and one of them should have won it. Slater acknowledged this in his speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spiro, just need to correct you regarding Robbie O being the first fullback to win the Churchill medal. Darren Lockyer won the Clive Churchill medal playing fullback in the 2000 Grand Final win over the Roosters.</p>
<p>Onto the game, I agree the Storm were by far the better team as most people expected. It took the Eels one half of footy to get into the game and you can&#8217;t play catch up with Melbourne. The Eels kicking game was deplorable particularly in the first half, I don&#8217;t remember them getting any repeat sets from good kicking. Storm won the game when Inglis went uncontested for the high ball and scored untouched. I couldn&#8217;t believe the Eels didn&#8217;t contest this, Hayne should have gone for it, just poor play. At that stage it was 10-6 and game on, then GI scores, takes the crowd out of it and kills Eels momentum. The Eels did well to get back to 22-16 but ran out of time. Congrats to both teams for making the GF and the Storm for a great premiership win. How many Clubs could bounce back from a GF flogging the previous year and win it, amazing. As for MOM, I thought Slater was good but Inglis and Cronk were better and one of them should have won it. Slater acknowledged this in his speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilly61</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilly61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry Richard but I thought the game rated about a 3 out of 10 for excitement. &quot;Tension filled&quot;, are you serious ? My mate next to me on the lounge, nodded off for 20 minutes before the Eels mounted a &#039;minor comeback&#039; late in the second half. If it wasn&#039;t for those ten minutes, the game was BORING and PREDICTABLE. Melbourne&#039;s defence smothered Parramatta in the first half and game was as good as over. I&#039;m not an Eels or rugby league fan for that matter, but the game just didn&#039;t live up to it&#039;s hype. The Storm have now played in four consecutive NRL GF&#039;s and I bet you the general public in Melbourne still couldn&#039;t name you more than three players in the team. The AFL pay a lot more for TV rights than the NRL, so I believe the Storm will never get the full support they need in AFL heartland to get &#039;major growth&#039; as you hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry Richard but I thought the game rated about a 3 out of 10 for excitement. &#8220;Tension filled&#8221;, are you serious ? My mate next to me on the lounge, nodded off for 20 minutes before the Eels mounted a &#8216;minor comeback&#8217; late in the second half. If it wasn&#8217;t for those ten minutes, the game was BORING and PREDICTABLE. Melbourne&#8217;s defence smothered Parramatta in the first half and game was as good as over. I&#8217;m not an Eels or rugby league fan for that matter, but the game just didn&#8217;t live up to it&#8217;s hype. The Storm have now played in four consecutive NRL GF&#8217;s and I bet you the general public in Melbourne still couldn&#8217;t name you more than three players in the team. The AFL pay a lot more for TV rights than the NRL, so I believe the Storm will never get the full support they need in AFL heartland to get &#8216;major growth&#8217; as you hope.</p>
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		<title>By: AussieWallaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>AussieWallaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 07:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Inglis showed why is he the best player in the NRL. I can&#039;t believe the amount of hype that has surrounded Hayne suggesting he is the best player. Sure he was the &#039;form&#039; player for the last 12 weeks but we should be observing this from a whole season&#039;s perspective.
For the sake of Hayne, hope he can back it up next season and not turn into a &#039;dud&#039; like Kris Inu. 
Going back to Inglis though - he is a true big match player and it was only fitting that he slotted the drop goal at the end, the same way he did when the storm won the first game of the season vs dragons.
Great season...great win...even as a ra ra fan, I appreciated this league spectacle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Inglis showed why is he the best player in the NRL. I can&#8217;t believe the amount of hype that has surrounded Hayne suggesting he is the best player. Sure he was the &#8216;form&#8217; player for the last 12 weeks but we should be observing this from a whole season&#8217;s perspective.<br />
For the sake of Hayne, hope he can back it up next season and not turn into a &#8216;dud&#8217; like Kris Inu.<br />
Going back to Inglis though &#8211; he is a true big match player and it was only fitting that he slotted the drop goal at the end, the same way he did when the storm won the first game of the season vs dragons.<br />
Great season&#8230;great win&#8230;even as a ra ra fan, I appreciated this league spectacle.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved the try that was scored when Cronk made the break.

Same base play to the move that Billy Slater scored off against the Broncs, slight variation, and it completely sucked the Eels in.  

I remember when McQueen used the same thing with the Wallabies, when they had three tries over consecutive games, using the same base move, with three subtle variations, and it sucked the opposition in each time for a try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the try that was scored when Cronk made the break.</p>
<p>Same base play to the move that Billy Slater scored off against the Broncs, slight variation, and it completely sucked the Eels in.  </p>
<p>I remember when McQueen used the same thing with the Wallabies, when they had three tries over consecutive games, using the same base move, with three subtle variations, and it sucked the opposition in each time for a try.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said similar that “they are boring” on one of the lead up articles and got criticized but I stand by it.
I would say there less boring than in previous years because the second ref has helped a lot but they still don’t play an exciting game until the other team is exhausted.

It’s strange to say that because they have exciting players in Cronk, Smith, White, Inglis, and Slater but I believe it’s true.

Watching the game on Sunday it seemed like because Parramatta were hurt by the fact they had the potential to offload the ball so the ref doesn’t consider the tackle to be completed until much later.

Their boring style stops them getting compared to the great Broncos and Raiders teams of the recent past that their record would eclipse.

Great team and great achievements but most importantly great coach.

Won’t miss them if they are not in the grand final next year though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said similar that “they are boring” on one of the lead up articles and got criticized but I stand by it.<br />
I would say there less boring than in previous years because the second ref has helped a lot but they still don’t play an exciting game until the other team is exhausted.</p>
<p>It’s strange to say that because they have exciting players in Cronk, Smith, White, Inglis, and Slater but I believe it’s true.</p>
<p>Watching the game on Sunday it seemed like because Parramatta were hurt by the fact they had the potential to offload the ball so the ref doesn’t consider the tackle to be completed until much later.</p>
<p>Their boring style stops them getting compared to the great Broncos and Raiders teams of the recent past that their record would eclipse.</p>
<p>Great team and great achievements but most importantly great coach.</p>
<p>Won’t miss them if they are not in the grand final next year though.</p>
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		<title>By: Bulldog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bulldog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done to Melbourne - the are an extremely well coached and drilled team that have a couple of special players that get them over the line. I however have to admit that I do not particularly enjoy watching them play as their style tends to be a &quot;suck the life&quot; out of their opponents and hence out of the game style of game. It leave the game a bit stale and boring for mine. I am sure Storms supporters disagree with me though.

I also have theory on why they seem to dominant the game. I have been watching their play closely trying to work it out and I have concluded that they are very good at cheating in the paly the ball area. It is very subtle and well coached - so good luck to them. What I have noticed is that when the Storm have the ball - players when they are tackled look to get to ground immediately on their stomachs so they get a quick play the ball. They therefore surrender but do not get called as surrender tackles by the refs. They therefore get much quicker play the balls which they exploit very well.

In defence they really concentrate on turning the oppostion on their backs - this is why they get a lot of chicken wing allegations. They also purposely entangle themselves with the tackled player. They get their arms wrapped up and caught up with the opposition. The refs seems to allow them extra time to untangle themselves from the tackled players and hence slower play the balls which are easier to defend. As I said - well coached and well drilled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done to Melbourne &#8211; the are an extremely well coached and drilled team that have a couple of special players that get them over the line. I however have to admit that I do not particularly enjoy watching them play as their style tends to be a &#8220;suck the life&#8221; out of their opponents and hence out of the game style of game. It leave the game a bit stale and boring for mine. I am sure Storms supporters disagree with me though.</p>
<p>I also have theory on why they seem to dominant the game. I have been watching their play closely trying to work it out and I have concluded that they are very good at cheating in the paly the ball area. It is very subtle and well coached &#8211; so good luck to them. What I have noticed is that when the Storm have the ball &#8211; players when they are tackled look to get to ground immediately on their stomachs so they get a quick play the ball. They therefore surrender but do not get called as surrender tackles by the refs. They therefore get much quicker play the balls which they exploit very well.</p>
<p>In defence they really concentrate on turning the oppostion on their backs &#8211; this is why they get a lot of chicken wing allegations. They also purposely entangle themselves with the tackled player. They get their arms wrapped up and caught up with the opposition. The refs seems to allow them extra time to untangle themselves from the tackled players and hence slower play the balls which are easier to defend. As I said &#8211; well coached and well drilled.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett McKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correct on both counts Andy, nickname origin (Warren) and direction of support (Parra - &quot;I just loved watching this little bloke who now sits beside me...&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correct on both counts Andy, nickname origin (Warren) and direction of support (Parra &#8211; &#8220;I just loved watching this little bloke who now sits beside me&#8230;&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: westy</title>
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		<dc:creator>westy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren is an Eels fan.</description>
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		<title>By: westy</title>
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		<dc:creator>westy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought inglis was very special. Not man of the match may be but a palyer who just make things happen. No parramatta player could match hm. in fairness to one called Groethe best game i have seen him play.
I think our AFL bretherin would understand innocuous up and under but ingils at full pace an awesome site  in its own right with eyes only for the ball breathtaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought inglis was very special. Not man of the match may be but a palyer who just make things happen. No parramatta player could match hm. in fairness to one called Groethe best game i have seen him play.<br />
I think our AFL bretherin would understand innocuous up and under but ingils at full pace an awesome site  in its own right with eyes only for the ball breathtaking.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan I think the nickname is based on his surname rather than club he supports but I am starting to doubt my claim. I had it down in my mind as him being an Eels fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan I think the nickname is based on his surname rather than club he supports but I am starting to doubt my claim. I had it down in my mind as him being an Eels fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Nicolea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Nicolea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 03:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy

I am pretty sure he is a Rabbitohs fan hence the nickname Ray &#039;Rabbits&#039; Warren.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy</p>
<p>I am pretty sure he is a Rabbitohs fan hence the nickname Ray &#8216;Rabbits&#8217; Warren.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett McKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 03:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke, I&#039;d agree with that, I thought Cronk was BoG by a considerable margin, had a hand in Blair and Inglis&#039; tries, and maybe the kick for Slater&#039;s too (?).  Slater was good, but I&#039;m not sure he was the best.  But then he also won the Ch9 MotM too, so maybe we&#039;re all wrong...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, I&#8217;d agree with that, I thought Cronk was BoG by a considerable margin, had a hand in Blair and Inglis&#8217; tries, and maybe the kick for Slater&#8217;s too (?).  Slater was good, but I&#8217;m not sure he was the best.  But then he also won the Ch9 MotM too, so maybe we&#8217;re all wrong&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 03:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray Warren is also an Eels fan.

Gould has never ever been impartial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray Warren is also an Eels fan.</p>
<p>Gould has never ever been impartial.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 03:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony is that the commentator you could forgive for being biased (Peter Sterling, former Parramatta great) was probably the most unbiased of the lot. Shows you a lot about his professionalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony is that the commentator you could forgive for being biased (Peter Sterling, former Parramatta great) was probably the most unbiased of the lot. Shows you a lot about his professionalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the commentary was quite biased for Parramatta.  OK, I wasn&#039;t expecting much, what with one Sydney team against some bunch of outsiders from AFL territory and all that, but come on . . . .

As for player of the match, Slater was good, but I was thinking while watching late in the second half that I might have gone for Adam Blair.  It seemed like every time he got the ball he was slicing through the Parramatta defense and causing problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the commentary was quite biased for Parramatta.  OK, I wasn&#8217;t expecting much, what with one Sydney team against some bunch of outsiders from AFL territory and all that, but come on . . . .</p>
<p>As for player of the match, Slater was good, but I was thinking while watching late in the second half that I might have gone for Adam Blair.  It seemed like every time he got the ball he was slicing through the Parramatta defense and causing problems.</p>
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