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	<title>Comments on: The AFL backed up its tough talk in 2009</title>
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		<title>By: Nicko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After living in Sydney for 6 years I&#039;d say rugger has 95% less content.                                                                                        After going to many rugger games it&#039;s just so repetitive.  Run with ball, get tackled to ground, get up play ball, next player picks up ball, throw ball, next player catch ball run, wash and repeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After living in Sydney for 6 years I&#8217;d say rugger has 95% less content.                                                                                        After going to many rugger games it&#8217;s just so repetitive.  Run with ball, get tackled to ground, get up play ball, next player picks up ball, throw ball, next player catch ball run, wash and repeat.</p>
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		<title>By: The Link</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-226126</link>
		<dc:creator>The Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like they&#039;ll need a retraction on the NRL GF metro ratings too as they have come out higher

http://www.oztam.com.au/documents/2009/E_20091004.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like they&#8217;ll need a retraction on the NRL GF metro ratings too as they have come out higher</p>
<p><a href="http://www.oztam.com.au/documents/2009/E_20091004.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.oztam.com.au/documents/2009/E_20091004.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Link</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-225936</link>
		<dc:creator>The Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t know where to post this but he NRL GF figures are out on Oztam.

5 city metro of 2,528,000

http://www.oztam.com.au/documents/2009/E_20091004.pdf

As opposed to &#039;initial&#039; figure of 2,416,000

Up by 112,000

Not sure how this impacts the final figure plus regionals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t know where to post this but he NRL GF figures are out on Oztam.</p>
<p>5 city metro of 2,528,000</p>
<p><a href="http://www.oztam.com.au/documents/2009/E_20091004.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.oztam.com.au/documents/2009/E_20091004.pdf</a></p>
<p>As opposed to &#8216;initial&#8217; figure of 2,416,000</p>
<p>Up by 112,000</p>
<p>Not sure how this impacts the final figure plus regionals?</p>
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		<title>By: The Link</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-224916</link>
		<dc:creator>The Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 02:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand what TV Tonight is providing. What it shows that there isn&#039;t some vast News Ltd conspiracy, other sites were running with the figures, so hardle a &#039;waste of time&#039; to point this out.

The comparison seems to have been made on the only metric genuinely available at the time that allows for a comparison. Any further comparison is uselss until the NRL OZTam figures come out, whatever they may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand what TV Tonight is providing. What it shows that there isn&#8217;t some vast News Ltd conspiracy, other sites were running with the figures, so hardle a &#8216;waste of time&#8217; to point this out.</p>
<p>The comparison seems to have been made on the only metric genuinely available at the time that allows for a comparison. Any further comparison is uselss until the NRL OZTam figures come out, whatever they may be.</p>
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		<title>By: Westcoast929406</title>
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		<dc:creator>Westcoast929406</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have always thought that QLD is more accepting of our game generally than NSW north of the Riverina.
Speaking of growth it appears that Auskick nationally may have levelled out. The 2009 total figure of 168973 is only 5000 up on 2008 which in turn was 3000 up on 2007. Prior to 2007 there were big increases.
This means the national 40,000 overall growth in 2009 from 2008 was driven by principally by Schools and other sources like RecFooty. 

Townsville had that new AFL/Cricket ground opened in 2007/8?, 
http://www.sportingpulse.com/comp_info.cgi?action=VENUE&amp;venueid=8011921&amp;client=1-3484-0-0-0
There is a saying - Build it and they will come. Its all about perception and credibility with the kids. Noticed they now have
 regular girls comps up there now as well. 
But the Cowboys do dominate the town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have always thought that QLD is more accepting of our game generally than NSW north of the Riverina.<br />
Speaking of growth it appears that Auskick nationally may have levelled out. The 2009 total figure of 168973 is only 5000 up on 2008 which in turn was 3000 up on 2007. Prior to 2007 there were big increases.<br />
This means the national 40,000 overall growth in 2009 from 2008 was driven by principally by Schools and other sources like RecFooty. </p>
<p>Townsville had that new AFL/Cricket ground opened in 2007/8?,<br />
<a href="http://www.sportingpulse.com/comp_info.cgi?action=VENUE&#038;venueid=8011921&#038;client=1-3484-0-0-0" rel="nofollow">http://www.sportingpulse.com/comp_info.cgi?action=VENUE&#038;venueid=8011921&#038;client=1-3484-0-0-0</a><br />
There is a saying &#8211; Build it and they will come. Its all about perception and credibility with the kids. Noticed they now have<br />
 regular girls comps up there now as well.<br />
But the Cowboys do dominate the town.</p>
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		<title>By: bever fever</title>
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		<dc:creator>bever fever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Queensland country is interesting for grass roots AFL, around Cairns aussie rules would be up there with league for the most popular footy code (senior and junior)but falls away the further you get out of the Cairns area.

Not sure why its so popular around Cairns, lots of southern expats i would imagine.

AFL is becoming more popular around the cape york far north area but Townsville would be the one town/city that aussie rules has little to no foothold. The cowboys have made sure of that.

At the end of the day Brisbane, GC, sunshine coast and far northern NSW are the main areas to target for growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Queensland country is interesting for grass roots AFL, around Cairns aussie rules would be up there with league for the most popular footy code (senior and junior)but falls away the further you get out of the Cairns area.</p>
<p>Not sure why its so popular around Cairns, lots of southern expats i would imagine.</p>
<p>AFL is becoming more popular around the cape york far north area but Townsville would be the one town/city that aussie rules has little to no foothold. The cowboys have made sure of that.</p>
<p>At the end of the day Brisbane, GC, sunshine coast and far northern NSW are the main areas to target for growth.</p>
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		<title>By: Westcoast929406</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223907</link>
		<dc:creator>Westcoast929406</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the pundits discuss the ratings out in the grassroots areas of Queensland the AFL continues to spread the gospel according to Saint Tom Wills.
This time venturing into Rugby League heartland like Innisfail - First up run 6 week Auskick Clinics to get the kids interested? Some of them will stick - Then start school comps - Some more will stick - Then start a junior club later.Thats the formula all over the country and it works.
 Check out the ute and the signage on the door - No sneaking around corners like some of the pundits say the AFL does..
Yes the AFL has another record year for participation- Now up just under 733,000 -Up from 691,000 in 2008 an increase largely driven in the schools we believe. Have to wait until Feb 2010 for actual breakdown in annual report.
AFL fans out there enjoy the news.
Link---
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-4711-0-0-0&amp;sID=56333&amp;&amp;news_task=DETAIL&amp;articleID=10219377&amp;sectionID=56333</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the pundits discuss the ratings out in the grassroots areas of Queensland the AFL continues to spread the gospel according to Saint Tom Wills.<br />
This time venturing into Rugby League heartland like Innisfail &#8211; First up run 6 week Auskick Clinics to get the kids interested? Some of them will stick &#8211; Then start school comps &#8211; Some more will stick &#8211; Then start a junior club later.Thats the formula all over the country and it works.<br />
 Check out the ute and the signage on the door &#8211; No sneaking around corners like some of the pundits say the AFL does..<br />
Yes the AFL has another record year for participation- Now up just under 733,000 -Up from 691,000 in 2008 an increase largely driven in the schools we believe. Have to wait until Feb 2010 for actual breakdown in annual report.<br />
AFL fans out there enjoy the news.<br />
Link&#8212;<br />
<a href="http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-4711-0-0-0&#038;sID=56333&#038;&#038;news_task=DETAIL&#038;articleID=10219377&#038;sectionID=56333" rel="nofollow">http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-4711-0-0-0&#038;sID=56333&#038;&#038;news_task=DETAIL&#038;articleID=10219377&#038;sectionID=56333</a></p>
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		<title>By: sean maguire</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223896</link>
		<dc:creator>sean maguire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, you do realise who owns Oztam don&#039;t you? Probably part of the contra payments to pump up the ratings. I call shenanigans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, you do realise who owns Oztam don&#8217;t you? Probably part of the contra payments to pump up the ratings. I call shenanigans!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223700</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come in Oikee...where are you???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come in Oikee&#8230;where are you???</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223694</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget, the amended figures also so the NRL Prelim final 2 drop from 1,353,000 to 1,254,000.

A 99,000 decrease......

just shows, don&#039;t it, that OzTam must be just another Mike Fitzpatrick run company!!!!

;-)

Seriously though, the initial figures did not include the Post Game that was rated at 2.448 million.  The &#039;amended&#039; figures listed the Post Game separately (as per the Pre Game).

The Pre Game is perhaps more interesting, as that jumped from 1.505 million to 1.697 million.  That&#039;s 192,000.  That&#039;s more than the adjusted increase for the GF proper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget, the amended figures also so the NRL Prelim final 2 drop from 1,353,000 to 1,254,000.</p>
<p>A 99,000 decrease&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>just shows, don&#8217;t it, that OzTam must be just another Mike Fitzpatrick run company!!!!</p>
<p> <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously though, the initial figures did not include the Post Game that was rated at 2.448 million.  The &#8216;amended&#8217; figures listed the Post Game separately (as per the Pre Game).</p>
<p>The Pre Game is perhaps more interesting, as that jumped from 1.505 million to 1.697 million.  That&#8217;s 192,000.  That&#8217;s more than the adjusted increase for the GF proper.</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See above point to DOW.  But I&#039;ll be sure to wear my skeptics hat to return the favour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See above point to DOW.  But I&#8217;ll be sure to wear my skeptics hat to return the favour.</p>
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		<title>By: The Link</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223664</link>
		<dc:creator>The Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Terror plus about 5 or 6 other sources were quoting the initial statistics which had the NRL GF coming out on top, hardly the outright lies and propoganda that have been claimed.

All that has happened since if the AFL final figures have come out, which apparently went up due to the AFL GF overlapping into a later time slot.

Lets all take a breath till OzTam figures come out for the NRL GF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Terror plus about 5 or 6 other sources were quoting the initial statistics which had the NRL GF coming out on top, hardly the outright lies and propoganda that have been claimed.</p>
<p>All that has happened since if the AFL final figures have come out, which apparently went up due to the AFL GF overlapping into a later time slot.</p>
<p>Lets all take a breath till OzTam figures come out for the NRL GF.</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dow,

if you pay attention I have not made any comment on the NRL numbers.

Now let&#039;s see, I&#039;ve left the Daily Telegraph&#039;s phone number around here somewhere.  :-)

Redb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dow,</p>
<p>if you pay attention I have not made any comment on the NRL numbers.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s see, I&#8217;ve left the Daily Telegraph&#8217;s phone number around here somewhere.  <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Redb</p>
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		<title>By: MyGeneration</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223643</link>
		<dc:creator>MyGeneration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lies, damn lies, and ratings figures :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lies, damn lies, and ratings figures <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dogs Of War</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dogs Of War</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well your happy to go off without official NRL figures from Oztam. So how can you be so sure the same mistake wasn&#039;t made with the NRL figures? Seems they do make errors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well your happy to go off without official NRL figures from Oztam. So how can you be so sure the same mistake wasn&#8217;t made with the NRL figures? Seems they do make errors.</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223625</link>
		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The actual numbers were posted on the Roar days ago, it just takes you Sydney folk awhile to catch up.

How about accepting  the intial numbers re the AFL GF of 3.4M published by the Daily Telegraph were wrong as pointed out.  

The Oztam/Agneilson numbers days ago showed it was 3.8M for the AFL GF. Don&#039;t like the result so you just deny it exists eh? 

re your last sentence that sounds a lot like hubris to me - is the NRL on war footing to dominate the country and kill off all other codes.  Geez I&#039;ll wait 6 months and give the Daily Telegraph a call, they&#039;ll love it. :-)

Redb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The actual numbers were posted on the Roar days ago, it just takes you Sydney folk awhile to catch up.</p>
<p>How about accepting  the intial numbers re the AFL GF of 3.4M published by the Daily Telegraph were wrong as pointed out.  </p>
<p>The Oztam/Agneilson numbers days ago showed it was 3.8M for the AFL GF. Don&#8217;t like the result so you just deny it exists eh? </p>
<p>re your last sentence that sounds a lot like hubris to me &#8211; is the NRL on war footing to dominate the country and kill off all other codes.  Geez I&#8217;ll wait 6 months and give the Daily Telegraph a call, they&#8217;ll love it. <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Redb</p>
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		<title>By: Dogs Of War</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dogs Of War</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>400K increase. Only the AFL could make them go up like that. How often does this occur, figures being reclassified because they didn&#039;t like the result first time around.

Either way, as long as the NRL concentrates on the path they are going down, within the next 10 years we won&#039;t even have to have this conversation, as it will be quite clear who the dominate code is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>400K increase. Only the AFL could make them go up like that. How often does this occur, figures being reclassified because they didn&#8217;t like the result first time around.</p>
<p>Either way, as long as the NRL concentrates on the path they are going down, within the next 10 years we won&#8217;t even have to have this conversation, as it will be quite clear who the dominate code is.</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see how you view the NRL numbers when they arrive, will you and other NRL tragics be skeptical?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see how you view the NRL numbers when they arrive, will you and other NRL tragics be skeptical?</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>said from the start the AFL figures were wrong.  

Others will want to beat their chests about the NRL, my main critcism was aimed at the Daily Telegraph for jumping the gun and declaring a victory for their product.

Redb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>said from the start the AFL figures were wrong.  </p>
<p>Others will want to beat their chests about the NRL, my main critcism was aimed at the Daily Telegraph for jumping the gun and declaring a victory for their product.</p>
<p>Redb</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223595</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the figures originate from OzTam.  The official figures provider.

The first incorrect figures were simply the un-validated preliminary figures - that OzTAM do NOT publish on their website.

About 2 weeks after those are bandied about, OzTAM release and publish the validated correct and final (official) figures.

Why do you question Redb in accepting this process???

Do you accept it?  (and again, let&#039;s wait for the official validated NRL figures).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the figures originate from OzTam.  The official figures provider.</p>
<p>The first incorrect figures were simply the un-validated preliminary figures &#8211; that OzTAM do NOT publish on their website.</p>
<p>About 2 weeks after those are bandied about, OzTAM release and publish the validated correct and final (official) figures.</p>
<p>Why do you question Redb in accepting this process???</p>
<p>Do you accept it?  (and again, let&#8217;s wait for the official validated NRL figures).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223594</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Short answer - Yes.

Note - for that AFL GF weekend, the AFL figures when &#039;validated/finalised&#039; increased, whilst the NRL PF 2 decreased.  Both by substatial amounts (i.e. 170K and 99K respectively).

Normally the variation is very minor.......just a couple of thousand.

At any rate - all along on this front, Redb and myself have argued NOT that the AFL is better, or anything - - but, simply that the figures being used were infact wrong.

So, back to the short answer - yes, let&#039;s all wait for the NRL figures to be finalised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Short answer &#8211; Yes.</p>
<p>Note &#8211; for that AFL GF weekend, the AFL figures when &#8216;validated/finalised&#8217; increased, whilst the NRL PF 2 decreased.  Both by substatial amounts (i.e. 170K and 99K respectively).</p>
<p>Normally the variation is very minor&#8230;&#8230;.just a couple of thousand.</p>
<p>At any rate &#8211; all along on this front, Redb and myself have argued NOT that the AFL is better, or anything &#8211; - but, simply that the figures being used were infact wrong.</p>
<p>So, back to the short answer &#8211; yes, let&#8217;s all wait for the NRL figures to be finalised.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223583</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we should wait until the NRL figures are finalised :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we should wait until the NRL figures are finalised <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223569</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh gosh.....

just goes to show you should never &#039;PAY OUT&#039; until correct weight is signalled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh gosh&#8230;..</p>
<p>just goes to show you should never &#8216;PAY OUT&#8217; until correct weight is signalled.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt S</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223557</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny that, the figures suddenly change. I see RedB you take the new figures without a hint of scepticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that, the figures suddenly change. I see RedB you take the new figures without a hint of scepticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223553</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feared back in &#039;93 that North had wasted their one window of opportunity when Carey did his Hammy up at Carrara and then with squandered a top 4 finish in rnd 22 when Carey couldn&#039;t kick straight and Longmire did his knee......

but, little did I know we&#039;d play Prelim final weekend for the next 8 seasons straight......

The Voss broken leg probably only helped increase the burning desire of he and the group of players......

....which gets to a parallel to the relatively current thread about &quot;Do you have to lose one to win one&quot;.  

btw - gee that footage of his leg just bending where it shouldn&#039;t.......that was so......uncomfortable!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feared back in &#8217;93 that North had wasted their one window of opportunity when Carey did his Hammy up at Carrara and then with squandered a top 4 finish in rnd 22 when Carey couldn&#8217;t kick straight and Longmire did his knee&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>but, little did I know we&#8217;d play Prelim final weekend for the next 8 seasons straight&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>The Voss broken leg probably only helped increase the burning desire of he and the group of players&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;.which gets to a parallel to the relatively current thread about &#8220;Do you have to lose one to win one&#8221;.  </p>
<p>btw &#8211; gee that footage of his leg just bending where it shouldn&#8217;t&#8230;&#8230;.that was so&#8230;&#8230;uncomfortable!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223549</link>
		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.smh.com.au/news/lhqnews/afl-keen-to-beat-league-to-the-loot/2009/10/08/1254701106840.html

&quot;The NRL&#039;s belief strong grand-final ratings last weekend would help their next TV deal was punctured slightly with the revelation yesterday the AFL&#039;s decider had in fact beaten its rugby league counterpart in national ratings, not the reverse as had been claimed originally. Recalibrated figures lifted the AFL&#039;s ratings by almost 400,000 nationally.&quot;

Hopefully the Daily Telegraph will publish a form of retraction as well (wont hold my breath).

Redb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/lhqnews/afl-keen-to-beat-league-to-the-loot/2009/10/08/1254701106840.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/news/lhqnews/afl-keen-to-beat-league-to-the-loot/2009/10/08/1254701106840.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The NRL&#8217;s belief strong grand-final ratings last weekend would help their next TV deal was punctured slightly with the revelation yesterday the AFL&#8217;s decider had in fact beaten its rugby league counterpart in national ratings, not the reverse as had been claimed originally. Recalibrated figures lifted the AFL&#8217;s ratings by almost 400,000 nationally.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hopefully the Daily Telegraph will publish a form of retraction as well (wont hold my breath).</p>
<p>Redb</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223538</link>
		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MC,

And Brisbane were very unlucky to lose Voss for year with a broken leg.

Redb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MC,</p>
<p>And Brisbane were very unlucky to lose Voss for year with a broken leg.</p>
<p>Redb</p>
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		<title>By: Freud of Football</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223408</link>
		<dc:creator>Freud of Football</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Population doesn&#039;t mean anything in this caseas these states are split between the two rugby codes, AFL and football whereas the rest of the country is AFL/football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Population doesn&#8217;t mean anything in this caseas these states are split between the two rugby codes, AFL and football whereas the rest of the country is AFL/football.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223402</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2.25 states.. that&#039;s over 50% of the population....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2.25 states.. that&#8217;s over 50% of the population&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Norm</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/07/the-afl-backed-up-its-tough-talk-in-2009/comment-page-2/#comment-223397</link>
		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Sigmund got into your head? Over 3.1 million attended rugby league matches in NSW &amp; Qld during 2009. No other code got anywhere near that figure. Aggregate TV ratings, same story. You&#039;re staring to believe your own pseudonym.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Sigmund got into your head? Over 3.1 million attended rugby league matches in NSW &amp; Qld during 2009. No other code got anywhere near that figure. Aggregate TV ratings, same story. You&#8217;re staring to believe your own pseudonym.</p>
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