Deans seeks help from Elsom and Barnes to grasp the nettle
By LeftArmSpinner, 9 Oct 2009 LeftArmSpinner is a Roar Guru
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Robbie Deans has again failed to grasp the selection nettle despite lots of threats in the lead up to the Wallabies squad announcement. But it is not all bad.
Elsom and Barnes are good choices as Captain and Vice captain respectively. They must be encouraged to do it their way and create their dynasty and culture in the way that Border, Taylor and Steve Waugh did.
This includes standing up to the more selfish members of the squad (i.e. Giteau) until they get the message that rugby is a team game, and driving the lazy (i.e. Mitchell, Chisholm) and motivate the tired (i.e. Smith and Mortlock) until replacements rise up, and lead the team with passion, determination and brains.
However, behind the scenes, Deans has issued a stern message to Giteau, while dodging the toys flying out of the Giteau cot: “You are too big for your boots. You are not the captain or fly half you think you are.”
But unfortunately injuries on top of thin resources at lock have dictated that Chisholm gets an undeserved reprieve.
Dean has allowed Mitchell, Smith, Giteau, Mortlock and Chisholm to survive. While each player has a different set of circumstances, you get the sense that the Wallabies are desperate and have no alternative but to keep selecting them.
There were eight dropped players: Al Baxter, Ben McCalman, Damien Fitzpatrick, Josh Valentine, Nathan Sharpe, Nick Cummins, Phil Waugh, Stephen Hoiles.
Fitzy got bumped by Cowan being able to play Hooker, but I would have taken him as a 7, Fitzy that is. But he is young and we have coverage at two. Kingi looks very quick, and may end up as a Williamsesque winger.
I am most disappointed for Fitzy and Cummins. Hoiles is obviously not seen to be the answer at 8, but who is the answer and who can be relied upon to be consistent at 8? Not Palu I hope.
My starting team for Tokyo would be:
1. Robinson
2. TPN
3. Alexander
4. Horwill
5. Mumm (Cometh the time, cometh the man)
6. Elsom
7. Pocock
8. Palu (if he is fired up)
9. Genia
10. Barnes
11. Turner
12. Giteau
13. AAC
14. Ioane
15. O’Connor
16. Moore
17. Dunning
18. Chisholm
19. Smith
20. Burgess
21. Cross
22. Beale/Cooper
Playing strategy required from all players FOR 80 MINUTES:
1. Water tight defence.
2. As a minimum: Achieve parity at the breakdown and set pieces.
3. Use every opportunity that is created.
4. Select attacking plays based on field position and defensive line position and personnel.
a. e.g. 22-50 metres: forwards live up to their names: Go forward with Palu, Elsom, TPN, Robinson, Horwill and Mumm (in that order of priority) then close inter-passing to other forwards on the burst.
b. 50+ backline runs direct, ball in hand, multi option runners and backrow support and clean out.
5. Attack through the backs with structured plays from set pieces.
6. Counter attack as first choice by backrow and other backs getting back to support.
7. Backs always run straight and hard, into gaps, and so as to isolate and force defender to make a choice!
8. Kick possession away only as the last resort.
9. Support play from all players all the time.
10. Be patient in attack and defence.
11. Use ALL bench players for at least 25 minutes.
How would you rate Deans’ squad?:
1. Got it right
2. Okay, but not as radical as I would like
3. Another missed opportunity
4. Disrespectful to the senior players
5. Disregards the benefits of youth
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rich1612 said | October 9th 2009 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
Good squad, choice of captain and vc very good, and agreed that Giteau needed/needs a reality check, he has been playing well as an individual but poorly as a leader of the backline (not to mention the number of his kicks that get charged down).
Would like to see Cooper and Beale on the bench and I would have Turner at fullback and O’Connor on the wing.
LeftArmSpinner said | October 9th 2009 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
Both are works in progress, Cooper and Beale. The thing that struck me yesterday was the player body shape and low fat/skin fold, all except Beale. He looks slightly tubby and heavy. Gone is the school boy zip that O’Connor, cooper or Turner have. But Beale was not overawed despite being marked by Barnes and on occasions AAC. Is he the guy for 12 tho?? I would probably swap Beale to 15 and JOC to 12. Thats a view (on JOC) borrowed from T Horan.
Turner, for my mind has suspect hands and high ball catching. added to that, and even if they play more ball in hand, he kicked very poorly, almost like a 12 yo yesterday, shanking and mistiming several. O’Connor, like AAC, is a natural rugby player. his AFL background shows. he can catch and kick and he attacks all the time.
The vision/dream of Turner hitting a gap from deep with element of surprise and on a different angle then gassing the 15 would be wonderful.
Imagine the defenders dealing making choices about who is going to get tackled with Giteau’s footwork, AAC’s footwork and bulk, Turners acceleration and finishing speed, and Ioane’s footwork and finishing speed all coming at them at once. There will definitely be at least one O’lap because the 15 will be deep waiting for the kick and to cover.
The Other Reds Fan. said | October 9th 2009 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
Why bother with Burgess? Have Kingi as reserve half.
I would have Hynes before Turner. Mitchell should never be in the squad again.
Dexter William said | October 10th 2009 @ 4:45am | Report comment
How right you are:
Mitchell and Burgess should not be selected, based on their performance this year.
jacko said | October 9th 2009 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
I think he’s got it about right.
I’m very hopeful however that we might see some on field leadership for once. Rocky & Barnsy appear to me (from interviews over the last few years ) to be the 2 blokes who hate losing the most. and that’s a damn good thing IMHO.
Brett McKay said | October 9th 2009 @ 12:39pm | Report comment
Leftie, I think the squad’s pretty well spot on once injuries are taken into consideration. Baxter is no real surprise, and perhaps Waugh too, though the ARU press release states he wasn’t cinsidered due to injury. I am a little surprised to see Dunning again, but again, injury and Baxter problems probably dictated his selection.
Hoiles was apparently injured in the game yesterday, and if that’s kept him out, then fair enough, otherwise he’s the guy I most feel sorry for..
LeftArmSpinner said | October 9th 2009 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
Yea, Brett, the injuries do skew things.
But Deans can grasp the nettle with his selections for each game, giteau to 12, (Matt, come in close, I’m boss and I will be telling you where you play. if you dont like it, fine. I’ll find you a short pier for a long walk) benching Chisholm, Smith and dropping Mitchell.
Dunning was in good form this time last year, and has done a thorough rehab so credit to him. He went well in grade too. very committed. Got knocked senseless against Uni but refused to leave the field. mayhew ensued.
Tuckie might even be maturing, now there’s a funny thing. He plays both sides too or even hooker and he can kick field goals. Remember when Eastwood fielded 1. Robinson, 2. Dunning, 3. Alexander with Fitzpatrick at 7.
Hopefully Kepu gets a chance. Again 12 months ago, it was Kepu, (albeit for a rested Cat Robinson), Moore and Dunning.
The weaknesses, due to lack of depth or injuries are 4 and 5 and 8 and I am undecided about 15 in the long term. what about Kepu as an 8. he would make a great running 8 and he can learn to trap the ball at the back of the scrum. How hard can it be?
If Hoiles wasnt injured, then that is a bummer. its only a grade 1 hammie.
If I was Hickey, I would enlist Deans for regular “co-ordinating sessions” with the Tahs (the benefit of Hickey working where Deans plays squash-SFS). Simply put, plagarise the crusaders and Wallabies play strategies, play book and style. Keep it simple
I would also pick Barnes as Tahs VC before handing C to him next season and he can be TahMan too if he wants!!!!. I know he has only signed for one season, but, it might keep him in Sydney.
Vented Relief said | October 9th 2009 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
Fantastic idea about putting Kepu at no 8. Hadn’t thought of it but if we want a man to truck the ball and run over the smaller 5/8s then he is definitely the man.
tarpo said | October 9th 2009 @ 9:13pm | Report comment
Leftie,
Rather than Kepu as a running 8, why not TPN? Keep Moore as hooker, (can throw the ball straight) Fitzie as backup, TPN has all the atributes of a good 8.
Come to think of it, isn’t that where he used to play?
cookee said | October 9th 2009 @ 9:32pm | Report comment
PLAGIARISATION has worked a treat for wallies so far LAS ;PLEASE LET THE S14 TEAMS DEVELOP own style otherwise we get plain vanilla.did carter miss selection?
Invictus said | October 9th 2009 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
To be honest, we won’t know until after they’ve played a couple of games.
LeftArmSpinner said | October 9th 2009 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
Well, I will be watching the first ruck in Tokyo to see if the fire, the mongrel, the attitude, the determination, the pride, etc. is there. fresh sheet, green field, new pot of wasabi!!!
N.E.B. said | October 9th 2009 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
I like the squad but i would also have included Fitzpatrick as a hooker/7 and it would be good to see Kingi on the wing.
Jack Petro said | October 9th 2009 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
Maybe Rocky has grown up because it also seemed to me that “Rocky played for Rocky” … especially when he was with the Tahs! LAs, you said it about Mumm, but it may fit Elsom better: “Cometh the time, Cometh the man”!
LeftArmSpinner said | October 9th 2009 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
I can only agree and say it probably relates to many of the players.
Nick P-G said | October 9th 2009 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
Good squad. Kingi is a 9 and needs to be left there. He will be special at half-back.
We dont need to worry about wingers because have a great winger developing in Cummins who was injured not dropped.
My only question is… 4 outside center specialists? Obviously these fellas can by different positions as well but… why?
LeftArmSpinner said | October 9th 2009 @ 1:37pm | Report comment
Cross has played wing and 12. Horne has played 12 and 13. AAC is 11, 13, 14 and 15. Ioane is a 11, 13, 14 and could fill in as 15 (the back three concept).
Justin said | October 11th 2009 @ 5:26pm | Report comment
Tend to agree. mainly as I dont see the reason to persist with Cross. At his age he isnt going to be around much longer than Mortlock and he is very sus in defence at times.
Nick P-G said | October 9th 2009 @ 1:30pm | Report comment
Also this is my Wallaby line-up:
1. Robinson
2. TPN
3. Alexander
4. Horwill
5. Elsom
6. Brown
7. Pocock
8. Smith
9. Genia
10. Barnes
11. Ashley-Cooper
12. Giteau
13. Ioane
14. Turner
15. O’Connor
16. Moore
17. Cowan
18. Chisholm
19. Palu
20. Kingi
21. Mortlock (if injured Cross)
22. Cooper
What do you guys think?
Vented Relief said | October 9th 2009 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
Not bad. Can’t understand why you or LAS have overlooked Hynes though – even on the bench. I would have him starting over turner. He’s the best in the team under a high ball, he has just as much pace as turner, he is stronger than any of the other wing/fullbacks and the man doesn’t miss tackles unlike some other players who will go unmentioned.
For mine, Hynes has to start against the ABs in Tokyo. I would also probably have Moore starting – he might not be as explosive as TPN but he’s a damn fine footballer around the ground and has a much better throw than TPN. Bring TPN on in the last 20mins for some suicidal bone crunching.
Nick P-G said | October 9th 2009 @ 2:42pm | Report comment
True about Hynes. I 100% agree.
I dont really rate Turner right now but in my mind I was choosing him or Mitchel.
Good spot.
tarpo said | October 9th 2009 @ 9:17pm | Report comment
Spot on, Hynes is the most consistent, reliable 3/4 in the country.
sheek said | October 9th 2009 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
Deans is good, but he’s not the messiah.
Jesus might have managed to feed several thousand with just two fish & 5 loaves of bread (or was it the other way around), but Deans has to work with a tiny pool of talent.
Under the circumstances, I think he’s done very well. But those with an axe to grind towards him will no doubt continue to find fault.
I think the team is as good as we’re going to get. I’m not crazy about Elsom being captain, but he’s the best man available, so I agree with that. He & Barnes ought to make a decent leadership pair.
Gee, I can’t help about dreaming of 1999, 1991 or 1984….. we had some real talent in those years. Oh well, maybe by 2011 things will be looking up???
Anyway, this is what we have in 2009, & we just have to make the most of it.
LeftArmSpinner said | October 9th 2009 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
Sheek, the pack might struggle without the grunt in second row. But the backs, look great. They’s just gotta play rugby with the ball in their hands. 1984, 1991 and 1999 all started roughly and built momentum. Tokyo is a new era so lets start as we mean to go on. The AB’s are probably coming with a spluttering but determined team.
If you give Barnes the VC, and there is a hint of silly buggers from Giteau, then immediately put the 10 on Barnes back, even if they continue to swap around. Barnes should get full support. This time two years ago, he was the last man picked for the RWC.
LeftArmSpinner said | October 9th 2009 @ 1:45pm | Report comment
elsom, first test as skipper and agaisnt the AB, it may be too much to play out of position first time up, but he jumps in the lineout like a lock and is bulky enough. geez, wshat am I saying? I know nought about locking. AAC is a better 13 than Ioane and we need AAC to be secure in one position for a time, and ease Ioane back in after injury.
can Cowan play both sides? i am guessing that Kepu (and dunning ) is a better prop than Cowan but Cowan can cover 2.
Kingi suggests, and only on the strength of yesterday;s trial, to be another Genia. lightning around the scrum base and unfazed in big boy company. It is certainly worth the experiment. But, can he or Genia crack the whip and drive the forwards.. Burgess has not bounced back as I expected. maybe he just needs to get back in love with his instinctive footy and take the line on, and just instinctively fire the pass. I’m hoping it is a case of second year syndrome.