Comments on: Time for Australia and Indonesia to unite

By: pH

pH — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:03:47 +0000

As a newcomer to The Roar, glad to see that my little foray into sports articles – http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/18/australia-indonesia-world-cup-2022/ – backed up by similar views.

Jesse writes before the fracas blew up between the FFA and the AFL and NRL – all this conflict and bitterness threatens to derail the bid too, or at least sour the occasion. See http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/14/2770679.htm?site=thedrum for how hard the AFL are likely to fight for their rights. This problem would be partially solved by no need to poach AFL’s Etihad stadium in a joint bid and maybe free up some of the NRL’s stadia too.

The other problem I wrote about is “Peak Oil” and by 2022 airlines may only be for the rich. The building costs of white elephant regional stadia are predicated on a return in 100,000s of tourists/fans who may not eventuate. The peak oil debate is wider than just sport and the WC – but this issue could help focus Australia onto how we need to transition to other transport energy. Again the costs would be less in a joint bid – insurance against too little return – as the outlay would not be as great.

By: Simone`

Simone` — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:12:00 +0000

Not sure if you know but there are travel warnings for Australians not to go to Indonesia. And they don’t like Australians, what chance do you think this has of wokring at all…

Also if you hadn’t heard thier were some attacks on Australian embassy and the such… Seriously, think about it. Why not joint bid with Iraq we get along so well

By: albe

albe — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:46:59 +0000

with their history japan and korea are way bigger rivals than we are with Indonesia. If those two can join up to co-host, anyone can.

By: Robbos

Robbos — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:08:05 +0000

I think when you mentioned Phil Rothfield RL journalist, this should explain everything to you. I would even use the word Journalist loosely when mentioning the name Phip Rothfield.

By: Mr cheese

Mr cheese — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:49:02 +0000

If Aussie has the stadiums and enough host cities etc. ( I’ve no idea if it does or not ), I don’t see why they shouldn’t be in favour of it.

Tell ‘em it’s good fun. England is expected ( and expecting ) to win 2018.

Apparently, America will get 2022. Sad, really, because they all hate the sport.

By: Alex

Alex — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:26:50 +0000

I think yes and no. The football public are definately there but it seems to have sunk into the background with the wider sporting public.

By: Alex

Alex — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:24:52 +0000

But America is a much much bigger market to crack. It is immeasurably more important than Australia. Commercially having it in Australia will produce very poor returns. Furthermore, Australia has nothing like the funds to buy the World Cup from FIFA.

Most Europeans hardly know that we play the game seriously.Im thinking 2022 at best.

By: Mr cheese

Mr cheese — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:08:42 +0000

My posts have been blocked, which is a shame because I haven’t sworn or anything, but…..

I would like to know if people in Australia are actually behind the bid or not. I assumed that they would be against.

There is a RL journalist ( whose name, I think, is Phil Rothfield ) who says that the whole thing is a monumental waste of money. Isn’t that what Aussies think ????

By: melbvictory87

melbvictory87 — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:40:02 +0000

mmmmmmm you make some valid points and there are some positives, im just not sure it outweighs the negatives. australia and indonesia would be the most bizarre mix ever, i can understand korea and japan but this is about as diametrically opposed as usa and el salvadore haha. look it would be great for relations between our neighbours but i really doubt you could allay fears of anyone not willing to have an open mind on this one. i would be hesitant to travel to indonesia (maybe i am misinformed) and the terrorism threat could spook off key parties. by the way, we are not dead in the water we do have a chance. ive read opinions on goal.com/en that we should not getit because were not a football nation, well neither is america! and they have already hosted it.

By: football lover

football lover — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:35:44 +0000

im surprised ive never thought of that, really good point

By: Midfielder

Midfielder — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:54:09 +0000

Jes

Has some merit … send it off to BB….

By: Tom

Tom — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:29:25 +0000

Its 5500km from Sydney to Jakarta. Slightly more than London to Doha.

Geographically, it would make more sense for England to run a joint bid with Qatar.

By: True Tah

True Tah — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:48:12 +0000

Silly idea, Australia is going to struggle as it is, with the only decent stadia on the east coast.

If we were going to go a joint bid with anyvody, I would have thought it would have to be New Zealand, at least they will have some good stadia from 2011.

By: sheek

sheek — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:44:40 +0000

Yeah, & the final can be held in Dili, East Timor…..

Is today 1st April???

By: Ben of Phnom Penh

Ben of Phnom Penh — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:37:04 +0000

I’m unsure as to the joint bid concept as I believe it is too late in the day. As an idea, I love it, however I believe the boat has already left the harbour.

I would, however, love to see a cup competition with all the clubs from the A-League and the Super League in the mix.

By: jessek

jessek — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:12:16 +0000

FIFA have said before that Spain/Portugal probably won’t get up because they prefer a lone bid.
Jesse, I reckon you do a great job with your blogs and I agree with most of your ideas, but this one won’t float.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=a..4iyUQGYKk&refer=latin_america

Joining Indonesia would see us IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATED from the bidding process

By: Ben

Ben — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:15:50 +0000

Sorry, I don’t really have time to write something a little more eloquent (I’ve got to read Father Brennan’s human rights report), but no flaming way – what an absolutely stupid, unmeritous idea!

By: albe

albe — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:22:57 +0000

its a great idea… it would increase our support within AFC for hosting if we were to link up with Indonesia. We are still the newcomer in Asia, and making this move would certainly surprise a few people in the region. Particularly those who view us suspiciously as Euro-Anglo outsiders.

I’d say we’d have to give up the Final to Jakarta though, perhaps in exchange for hosting five groups over their three. (We’ve got more cities, tho Jakarta has the bigger stadium for the final.)

But realistically its unlikely to happen for 18-22 as i think Lowy would prefer to bid alone this time. We can always go for it again down the track, as Asia WILL get the next one if Europe and Nth America take these two.

By: Football_Wunderkind

Football_Wunderkind — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:21:07 +0000

I love reading your articles and oppinions Jesse. They are thought provoking at the very least, but …. if for some odd reason Australia was to submit a joint bid with Indonesia that would be the end of Indonesia micro chances of securing the rights to host the world cup and it would destroy our 10-1 chance at hosting it as well. I read your article about dismissing the indonesian bombings as a reason why Indonesia won’t get the the chance to host the World Cup. It was a sound agument… no doubt. Like you said, if bombings is one of the reasons Indonesia is likely to be dismissed then the same argument applies to England. That is true however England and more to the point Australia have the resources and organisational skill to implement appropriate security. To be honest, and is speak from the priviledged position of having and Balinese girlfriend, Indonesian could not organise a p-ss up in a brewery. I have been to many events ‘organised’ by Indonesia’s at a consular level. The amount of time standing around wondering what is going on and the amount of down time is incredible. Fifa have already stated they are not in favour of joint bids. Indonesia’s bid will have already been dismissed in the corridors of power and Australia’s bid needs a lot of help. A joint bid would dash any chances. I love your opinions and pot stirrings but this idea is fanciful at best.