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Australia’s entry to Asia has been a godsend in terms of its positive impact on Australian football. However, one of the problems is that we are facing gamesmanship from oppositions of different culture that we do not regularly see in Australia.
The recent match between Oman and Australia brought up a major diplomatic incidence. We have Australian team manager Gary Moretti accusing the Omani team of cheating due to time wasting by feigning injuries.
This wasn’t the first time Australia has managed to get into a diplomatic incidence due to perception of unsporting behaviour.
We have Graham Arnold saying “Welcome to Asia” after responding to question about the opposition wasting time during the Asia Cup after they played Oman that manage to upset AFC President Mohammed Bin Hamman, as it implied that the entire Asian region were divers.
There was also numerous times during the AFC Champions League where the crowd has ended up booing the opposition team due to time wasting such as the Central Coast defeat to Tianjin Teda where Mariner’s coach Lawrie McKinna accused the opposition side of diving as well as Sydney FC matches against Shanghai Shenhua.
However it is noticeable that the Asian region does not consider Australians to be a paragon of virtue either.
We had the Oman coach Claude Le Roy accused Harry Kewell and Tim Cahill of cheating by continually harassing the referee. The Young Matildas manage to start a fight against the Chinese team during the AFC Under-19 Women’s Championship.
We have a reputation in Asia for being arrogant especially in light of some of the comments from Vince Grella after the Asian Cup debacle where he accused the opposition for not showing Australia enough respect.
There’s also the perennial worldwide perception (not just from Asia) that Australia are over-physical and sometimes thuggish.
The Japanese media do sometimes present Australia team to play thuggish football, the Netherlands complained about our physical style of play during the warm up to the 2006 World Cup after one of the players were injured as well as the French team during a Friendly match at 2001. Even in England, one of the most physical leagues in the world, Australian players have a reputation to be tough and dirty tacklers no doubt help by the reputations of Kevin Muscat, Danny Tiatto and even Lucas Neill.
All of this shows that there is a huge cultural impact that affects people’s perception of what is sportsmanship. Australia tends to celebrate physical prowess and therefore we are very much lenient on physical challenges and dirty tackles.
It says a lot about our culture that when people think of unsporting incidence during our time in Asia, the first things that came to mind was the diving and time wasting and not the X-rated challenge by Sun Jihai that could have potentially ended Luke Wilkshire career during the World Cup qualifiers.
Although starting a brawl is no doubt considered unacceptable in Australia. However there are people who considered the Young Matildas were just protecting a “mate’ who was unfairly kicked on by the Chinese team that prompted the brawl.
After all starting a fight to protect your team mate although not considered acceptable here, it’s certainly considered a mitigating circumstance that makes the action more understandable.
Although there is a clampdown on referee abuse in Australia, there are just as many people who believe that referees are overprotected species.
I believe that in more conservative cultures where respecting authority and the elders are considered much stronger values, abuse of referees a far less tolerated then in countries like Australia. After all, see how much the Omani players accepted the referees’ decision to not award the penalty during that match.
In other countries, time wasting and diving may not be considered sporting but is more tolerated as it shows intelligence, cunning and street smartness whilst they take a dimmer view on x-rated challenges.
So the next time we cry foul of unsporting conduct. Don’t try to get into the moral high ground. Just realise that they are no bigger cheaters than us, they just cheat differently.
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October 19th 2009 @ 12:39pm
constantine said | October 19th 2009 @ 12:39pm | Report comment
to be honest, instead of focusing on how other football cultures interpret the rules and how it impacts the game here, i think all the nrl and afl fans should stop looking at how to criticize our sport and start looking at how they can make their sport popular outside of australia!. nobody plays afl which is a shame, and you can tell me how nrl is global but really we all know how limited its global appeal is. in australia we think we have a reputation for playing manly sports, in europe (worked around uk for 5 years and 1 year in france) they think we just play crap sports. here you play rugby if your manly, there you play rugby if your fat and aren’t good enough to make the football team. if those sports show what sportsmanship is all about and that football is the antithesis of ethics why is it 85% of the world goes bonkers over it and 99% doesnt care to know league or afl exist. again stop looking at this sport and look at how to make your own gain some credibility
October 19th 2009 @ 12:50pm
True Tah said | October 19th 2009 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
constantine i thought the average englishman thinks you’re a fat poof if you play rugby??
October 19th 2009 @ 12:57pm
constantine said | October 19th 2009 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
you missed my point, yes most people in england dont encourage their kids to play rugby as technically deficient sports arent popular across europe and probably never will be. i wont lie i like union and alot more than league, i think its more exciting to watch and actually has global recognition. my point was nrl and afl should stop looking at how to restrict football growth, it wont work its already amazingly big and has double the player numbers of both sports; instead they should look at their own sport and how to gain it some credible global recognition
October 19th 2009 @ 12:54pm
AndyRoo said | October 19th 2009 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
Constantine
I don’t mind the debate (as long as it’s constructive) though and outsider opinion. As to diving that is something that seems really hard to police but I think the FFA initiative is a positive and obviously driven by domestic market concerns. It is going to make bugger all difference to the actual matches but it means if ever an incidence like Rivaldo’s 2002 effort happened in the HAL he would get suspended and that gives a lot of fans peace and mind.
What happens overseas doesn’t necessarily mean much to Australia. Football has been huge overseas for yonks and that hasn’t meant anything for the domestic market.
If we want a strong domestic comp we can’t just import European culture and expect people to like it or lump it.
When it comes to playing internationally I think in public Australia should just suck it up in this regards and just play football but these sort of discussions are pretty relevant to how we want the A league to be played.
Foz really had a go at the amount of around the ball crowding and pushing and shoving (AFL Melee style). Is that a big problem for Aussies or should we just let it go?
October 19th 2009 @ 1:09pm
constantine said | October 19th 2009 @ 1:09pm | Report comment
Andyroo
ii welcome your opinion and i would love to have a constructive debate on this. as a football fan i have heard a range of (in my opinion) idiotic comments regarding the sport. letme begin: a) “boring 0-0″ do people even realize 1 in 20-30 games finish 0-0 and half of them arent even boring, just extremely unlucky, b) “sissies role around on the ground”, the average injury in football (because its with your feet) hurts far more than anything upper body, feet and ankles are sensitive and dont have as much muscle tissue, injuries hurt as much as being stabbed. c) “its low scoring” im sorry if it takes more skill to score, we have goalkeepers, a restricted size on goals and dont give 4-6 points for a goal including points for missing, d)”diving”, when you have 6 billion people playing the sport how can you contain a limited amount of unsavoury individuals from diving. all of these comments generally mean you have seen very little of the sport, if you did you would know its rare to see any of 0-0′s or diving. i honestly believe it is more out of xenophobia and not being brought up around the most beautiful parts of the game.
I agree 100% that we cant just import european culture and expect jump on it, (firstly its not just european its african, asian, south and central american) but i believe most of this debate is due to people that have no clue about the sport and just need something to say. yes, video refereeing should be introduced to suit the hyundai a-league and completely eradicate it (althought it barely even exists here) but my point is why comment on our sport and what they believe is a deficiency and not comment on your own sport and how to gain it some credibility internationally
October 19th 2009 @ 2:49pm
AndyRoo said | October 19th 2009 @ 2:49pm | Report comment
I don’t bother discussing nill alls, not enough scoring and such then because to me that means they don’t like the game and it’s not for them. If they talk about something that bothers me then I am going to listen to what they say.
I think most fans raised on the EPL don’t like time wasting, feigning injury or abusing referees. The commentators always looked upon those things poorly and I think how Aussies like the game to be played is pretty similar to what the English like. Except thanks to SBS we like passing the football on the ground too
They don’t have to worry about growing their game and making sure it maintains those characteristics because their game is well entrenched. Australia is different, our fans aren’t as keen to cop that. I think time is sort of getting people used to it, and so the bar isn’t as high. When people started acknowedging that Neil stuffed up you could see the tide turning.
I really thought Greg Baums article was ok but mainly because I agree with the conclusion. I don’t want Australian teams to act like Josh Kennedy did when he got hit. I don’t mind if they let gravity take it’s toll and I don’t expect them to pretend not to be hurt. I just don’t want them to stoop to what Kennedy did, that’s a grey line I guess but I think Josh stepped over it so I don’t mind him getting a rebuke.
There’s another recent article from Mike Coleman who is 100% not a football writer and did a piece that offended a lot of football fans. Yeh he is a bit ignorant but again I agreed with his conclusion “Aussie fans should stop whinging and start supporting the A league”.
If I like the message then I don’t care who the messenger is.
October 19th 2009 @ 1:14pm
constantine said | October 19th 2009 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
how can you contain diving, 6 billion people follow the sport and apparently 300million are playing the game every second of every day. you are bound to get someone who resorts to it, furthermore diving is uncommon (contrary to popular belief). you can introduce video technology to stop it but it wont really change anything, there will be some other bizarre reason eggball fans will give you not to like the sport. end of the day if your not brought up around it you wont understand it. all you can really do is educate people that you will go to 30 games and only see one “0-0″ game and one dive (MAX)
October 19th 2009 @ 1:29pm
Art Sapphire said | October 19th 2009 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
Don’t worry Constantine – The AFL has a problem with diving as well.
It’s just that people don’t want to make a song and dance about it.
Check out Ben Somerford’s piece in the AFL section.
October 19th 2009 @ 1:34pm
constantine said | October 19th 2009 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
dont worry i already knew that, just like how afl and cricket have crowd trouble problems, just they wont ever report on it
October 19th 2009 @ 1:41pm
Pippinu said | October 19th 2009 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
It’s not about changing 6 billion people, nor is it necessary to make snide remarks about other football codes.
Australians do not like to see games stopped because of players feigning injury. To make sure the ref sees the foul is one thing – but to go to the extent of staying down until the stretcher takes you off the ground – to be frank – most people I know cannot stomach that sort of thing – and it’s not just uneducated Australians – I’ve heard Simon Hill mention it in negative terms plenty of times.
As it happens, it’s actually not an issue in the A-League – in fact, in our comp, if someone is lying on the ground, there will normally be a pretty good reason for that!!
October 19th 2009 @ 1:47pm
constantine said | October 19th 2009 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
and im not having ago at other codes, im pointing to the fact that they should look at themselves and making their own sport recognized than looking at our sport. again ill reiterate, you mentioned how most people cant stomach that sort of thing when they see it, too bad they will hardly ever see it because it barely happens (once in about 30 games at least) however if it ever does its the end of the world, fifa should change the rules and soccer is unaustralian. please somebody explain to me the logic
October 19th 2009 @ 1:48pm
Art Sapphire said | October 19th 2009 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
“Nor is it necessary to make snide remarks about other football codes”
Gee, Pip, that rules out half the sports journos out there and most people who post on the Roar
October 19th 2009 @ 1:52pm
Pippinu said | October 19th 2009 @ 1:52pm | Report comment
Art
except for someone like me – I’m a great example for all to follow.
October 19th 2009 @ 1:55pm
constantine said | October 19th 2009 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
SPOT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if i say something about afl or league its a smart remark, but if i read some of the absolute rubbish written about football well thats just fine because its “wogball”, “0-0″, “pussy sport” etc etc
ART SAPPHIRE: you are 100% correct, i am not doing a reverse kurt here and saying afl is sh!t theres no skill no1 cares about it, i am saying that its fans should criticize their own sport and look at why it has gotten nowhere in 150 years. i dont need to make derogatory remarks about their sports because i have no reason to care of be jealous of them at all, i can go anywhere in the world and have hour long football conversations, attend 100′s of derbies and be up all night watching games.
October 19th 2009 @ 1:57pm
Redb said | October 19th 2009 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
including you.
October 19th 2009 @ 2:05pm
Art Sapphire said | October 19th 2009 @ 2:05pm | Report comment
Everybody is guilty redb, except Pip.
He goes to confession and is absolved of everything he writes
October 19th 2009 @ 2:09pm
Redb said | October 19th 2009 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
yeah right Pip rolls the hand grenade down the aisle and then exclaims I didn’t pull the pin!
October 19th 2009 @ 1:51pm
Pippinu said | October 19th 2009 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
constantine
If the bulk of Australians were following the A-League only, then yes, it would never be an issue (because it is a non-issue in the A-League).
Now with the Omani game – I thought it was an non-issue as well (unnecessary stops for injury) – I’ll admit – I didn’t notice it – I was more worried about how pathetic we were in the first half.
But many Australians who only tune into the Socceroos, more often than not, playing against teams like Oman, will notice this sort of stuff – and they don’t like it – that’s all I’m saying.
There ain’t much anyone can do about it – but by and large, most Australians do not like those sorts of stoppages.
October 19th 2009 @ 2:00pm
constantine said | October 19th 2009 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
i think the bulk of the world doesn’t like those sorts of stoppages, watch the epl, if a guy is on the ground (even with a broken leg) he is still booed off. but why is one little incident by one player an excuse to ridicule an entire sport. it is not common in the sport and it was one guys indiscretion. i feel that by one guy needing to get medical attention for the wrong reasons that someone with no clue about the sport will then beleive that the other 6 billion people that follow it are the same. let me give my own reverse example, i dont like rugby league, i generally find it dull and too stop start, if one guy shows a lack of respect to a woman will i go off and believe that if you play league then you have no sense of ethics. NO, but this happens with football alllllllllllllll the time
October 19th 2009 @ 1:37pm
AndyRoo said | October 19th 2009 @ 1:37pm | Report comment
The innocuous hit that seems to paralyze someone (ah lah grass rolling) happened a fair bit in Rugby league this season too. Often it’s harder to tell because those hits really would iron out someone like me but Darren Lockyer in the Titans vs Broncos match was a prime example.
October 19th 2009 @ 2:17pm
captain nemo said | October 19th 2009 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
there is a saying that fighter pilots use…. If your not cheating, your not trying…. I always thought the All Black lineout was never straight at the start of each game and wouldn’t be until the ref pulled them up. Us stupid Aussies through it straight down the middle from the word go. Some would say the blacks were cheating, they would be the aussie fans when the score was 7 nil to the blacks. same with the boks pack. they will play it offside till the ref stops them. You can only do what you can get away with. my father in law reacons Richie Mccaw is the biggest rugby cheat in the world, in the same breath he says Richie Mccaw is the best rugby player in the world.
October 19th 2009 @ 2:19pm
constantine said | October 19th 2009 @ 2:19pm | Report comment
but do the all blacks do that each game or is that a one off incident (which is what diving is)
October 19th 2009 @ 2:24pm
captain nemo said | October 19th 2009 @ 2:24pm | Report comment
only the last 100 years constantine
October 19th 2009 @ 2:27pm
constantine said | October 19th 2009 @ 2:27pm | Report comment
lol alright maybe you missed my point, i dont know what the all blacks do because i dont watch alot of union and when i do i dont really know the rules. eitherway, just because the all blacks do that each game does not equate to every non union person saying what a terrible sport it is, how its cheating and unaustralian. see thats what football has to put up with due to a uncommon incident that you barely ever see
October 19th 2009 @ 2:36pm
captain nemo said | October 19th 2009 @ 2:36pm | Report comment
don’t worry about the wannabees Constantine. Most football fans around the globe have not even heard the word Australia. Your happy living in your skin with football, me with rugby, we are as Aussie as anyone champ. I am happy that a couple of Wollongong boys in the Morris brothers are off to the UK and France to play test matches, i am happy that the Wallabies are off to Europe via Japan soon, I am happy that the Socceroos will be in south Africa next year (not happy about this summers cricket schedule) so if anyone says thats unAustralian then they can go get knicked. Constantine, you are as Aussie as vegemite or whatever the new name for it is
October 19th 2009 @ 2:39pm
constantine said | October 19th 2009 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
wow thats the first positive comment ive ever had on this site. cheers buddy, i am happy for all those reasons too i just tend to get defensive over football. love the socceroos the most, playing well or poorly they make me proud to be australian
October 19th 2009 @ 2:57pm
Pippinu said | October 19th 2009 @ 2:57pm | Report comment
capt nemo the first to ever make a positive comment on the Roar?
Maybe he is unAustralian!!
October 19th 2009 @ 2:59pm
AndyRoo said | October 19th 2009 @ 2:59pm | Report comment
Since we are sharing the love
Whatever you do Con stay away from newspapers (and probably talk back radio too) during the world cup and the two weeks either side of it. Just stick to online sites like 442 and TWG.
That time period is when the real shock jocks Rebecca Wilson and co feel they better chip in with their 2c about this “thing” rating it’s socks off on TV. They have seen 20mins of highlights so feel like experts.
That’s my tip for you from one football fan to another
October 19th 2009 @ 3:14pm
Pippinu said | October 19th 2009 @ 3:14pm | Report comment
Stay away from the newspapers?
They gave great coverage of our last WC – the online blogs were huge.
October 19th 2009 @ 3:19pm
AndyRoo said | October 19th 2009 @ 3:19pm | Report comment
Do you remember Rebecca Wilson’s article about Adelaide in the ACL
She bagged them out as thought that was proof the A league was a useless competition……. This was because they lost the FINAL of the ACL.
2nd in Asia and Qualified for the WCC, not good enough apparently.
The world Cup brings out these types of columns in droves because after the AAP reports most papers have 1 1/2 football writers.
October 19th 2009 @ 3:25pm
constantine said | October 19th 2009 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
you almost forgot the name of her article. “soccer in a sad, sad state” basicly an article saying how bad the sport and the a-league is, and what was the cause???? because adelaide united, a cash strapped side running on a limited budget was able go against all odds and to knock out teams bankrolled by billionaires featuring sporting gods such as rivaldo and remarkably make it all the way to a continental grand final only to evenutally be outclassed by a team 30 times their size and wealth. now thats just disappointing
October 19th 2009 @ 3:30pm
Pippinu said | October 19th 2009 @ 3:30pm | Report comment
Yes – but we’re talking the WC here!!
Re Rebecca Wilson – it was a nothing article that should have been ignored – but people ended up giving it far more air time that it would have got otherwise.
In truth, she said nothing different to what Pim had said.
Les Murray wrote that it wasn’t so much what she said – but that she dared say it!!
Ben Buckley wrote a letter in response for christ’s sake!!
October 19th 2009 @ 3:33pm
constantine said | October 19th 2009 @ 3:33pm | Report comment
pip: the point is relevant here because it shows the bias and lack of education (or tolerance) some people tend to give this sport. but the reason why my best pal rebecca wilson is involved in this conversation is because of what i mentioned before. maybe she should be addressing how to make her beloved rugby league gain some international credibility (15k for a world cup semifinal shows the lack of) instead of commenting on a sport she knows nothing about and clearly dislikes.
October 19th 2009 @ 3:34pm
AndyRoo said | October 19th 2009 @ 3:34pm | Report comment
Pip if you read the age or the SMH you should be allright.
But there are so many pieces around the WCup or Euro tourneys that really talk about the countries rather than their football teams. If you can’t write about Germay without mentioning Octoberfest or WW2 please don’t write at all.
October 19th 2009 @ 3:07pm
constantine said | October 19th 2009 @ 3:07pm | Report comment
andyroo: dont worry i already know that will happen (btw 442 is a fantastic website). even as a hardcore fan i dont expect australia to make it past the group stage, just looking at who else has qualified im terrified, BUT i am very happy we are making world cups, its a building block. eitherway when that happens i can just imagine the fallout about how were terrible and we shouldnt play this sport. yes, i also have strong feelings towards rebecca wilson but what can you do. the only reason i stay positive is because USA and japan weren’t too different that long ago. mls was in freefall until they had that run in 2002, now its basicly going healthy and will continue to improve. japan, well their league almost went bankrupt and now its basicly as good as watching any european league (yes i love the j-league atmosphere and skill galore). things should get better i just hope the amount of idiots with no clue about the sport (yet decide to leave their opinion) will decline over the next 20 years
October 19th 2009 @ 3:36pm
Pippinu said | October 19th 2009 @ 3:36pm | Report comment
Getting out this time will be a massive challenge – but it’ll be great just to be part of it again. A couple of goals and a couple of points might end up being a very big achievement.
October 19th 2009 @ 3:51pm
constantine said | October 19th 2009 @ 3:51pm | Report comment
i honestly dont mind early elimination as long as it teaches us a strong lesson. we need a better coach (im just waiting for all the backlash for that one) and one that can get us to play attractive football (we basicly need this to keep the sport growing popular) we also need to see the benefits of our new national curriculum and the introduction of australian “FOOTBALLERS” not australian sportsmen. eitherway, i cna just imagine what will come up on the daily telegraph, courier mail and every other entity owned by news ltd (bar foxsports). the reason for this in my opinion is envy and jealousy, i would also be jealous if i supported a minority sport that in 150 years still cant get anybody else interested. if i was them i would also use any stupid excuse to try make my sport sound supirior (ie, diving, soft etc) but at the end of the day (and this is not meant to be offensive) 6 billion fans, 200+ confederations, largest tournaments on earth, multi million $ player contracts and international superstardom compared to being known in melbourne or sydney would also make me feel frustrated. again not meant to be offensive because if i dont care if afl and nrl exist, if you follow them thats good for you and you are perfectly entitled too, but you dont see me saying how bad they are do you
October 19th 2009 @ 10:21pm
westy said | October 19th 2009 @ 10:21pm | Report comment
Constantine do not forget many NRL and AFL supporters also support Australian football. You are a little too harsh. Football is the international game . it should be celebrated as such. I however like the fact that Australian football may yet thrive in a diverse sporting panorama that is the Australian contact team sports.. There is something unique about it that makes us different. I celebrate that difference and it really is beyond any media owner.
II have been supporting australian football for a long time . I have attended many internationals beginning with the Socceroos v England at the Sports ground when Peter Sharne was brought down by Butcher to give us apenalty and a one all draw.. m
Many of the people I went with had their rugby league teams . But each friday night we all watched Big match on the ABc after I think the Two Ronnies and followed by Dave Allen. I supported Marconi and wests in league and two blues in rugby. Football is the internatinal code one other partly and league provincial and local. but that is OK.
All these games have brought pleasure but only one is the World game. This does not detract from the fact that each affects the other in Australia and has some impact on our identity. That is who we are.
There are many NRL and AFL supporters who have a very good knowledge of Australian football and the potential to develop an Australian Footballing culture . We are not all long ball enthusiasts. However I think the other codes have had an impact . If Australian football does develop footballers as you say they will always tend to play with a degree of physicality that has been the hallmark of our football heritage in the days when we did not have much else. Not to respect this heritage is to diminish the efforts of Marston/Wilson/Yancos etc.and their struggle for the world game in this country.
October 20th 2009 @ 1:22am
constantine said | October 20th 2009 @ 1:22am | Report comment
and i appreciate your comment, in no way do i want to detract someones interest in league or afl, if they enjoy those sports that is fine (why would it not be). i know that alot of afl followers (tens of thousands at that) used to play football when it was not what it is today. what i complain about is some of the bias and complete lack of knowledge displayed by certain sects of those sports supporters. statements regarding diving, 0-0 etc and how the sport is unaustralian because of it inflame me. diving and 0-0 are rare, very rare, however the stereotypes that they are common and therefore it is a bad sport hit a nerve thats all. i also think it sucks that for a sporting nation, the only sports were good at nobody cares about