What do we want from our Socceroos?
By Mike Tuckerman, 20 Oct 2009 Mike Tuckerman is a Roar Expert
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Australian player Vince Grella (right) during the Socceroos pre-match training session at the Melbourne Cricket Ground. AAP Image/Luis Enrique Ascui
It was Karl Marx who claimed that religion is the opiate of the masses, but in this day and age, he may as well have been referring to sport. No matter the catastrophes that befall us, from financial crises to terrible acts of nature, many of us perk up when the topic returns to sporting endeavours.
Not surprisingly, Australia’s plodding 1-0 win over Oman in last week’s Asian Cup qualifier conjured a complex set of emotions.
From vexed consternation to a spot of hand-wringing to good old fashioned white-hot rage, Socceroos fans were treated to the whole gamut of frustration.
No one was more frustrated than ex-Socceroo midfielder Craig Foster, who rued the style of football on display in a withering piece for the Fairfax Sunday papers.
Foster is an easy target for the boo boys, who dislike his seemingly hectoring tone and penchant for negative appraisals.
Yet, as far as analysts go, he’s our most vigilant watchdog – constantly willing our team to success, desperate to see the Socceroos reach a higher plane.
He’s perfectly entitled to claim that “(p)assable results do not hide the fact this team (is) destined to fail.”
But by whose definition of failure are we reckoning with?
Talk to Pim Verbeek, and he makes it perfectly clear that his job description was to steer Australia to the World Cup finals in 2010 – and what’s all this hubbub about the Asian Cup?
Unfortunately for the results-driven Dutchman, we Aussies are a determined lot – more “in it to win it” than “just happy to be here,” and at the moment we look like a team struggling with Plan A, let alone one that has an obvious Plan B.
Australia may have qualified for the World Cup finals at a canter, but as Foster suggests, currently the Socceroos don’t look like controlling the game against the kind of top-class opposition they’ll meet in South Africa, let alone supposedly weaker Asian teams.
However, all this desire to control games and subdue perfectly capable opponents makes me wonder if we’re not suffering from some kind of major superiority complex.
Of all the good-natured jibes used to describe Oman’s veteran coach Claude Le Roy – did he look like the sort of foppish cartoon villain you might find in one of Hergé’s classic “Tintin” comics to anyone else? – not much was written about his CV.
Here was a coach who has achieved success with a variety of African nations, has coached at club level in his native France and England – to say nothing of stints in the UAE and China – and who knows a thing or two about qualifying for major tournaments.
Should we really have expected to trample all over an Oman side looking to qualify for its third successive Asian Cup?
Judging by the outpouring of frustration from fans, of whom just over 20,000 bothered to show up at Etihad Stadium, the answer appears to be an unequivocal “yes.”
If that’s the case, how will Australian fans react to another dogged but technically limited performance in South Africa?
Will it be recognised that a team of purportedly honest grafters has done well to be mix it with football’s elite once again, or will we pine for the days when we played England off the park in 2003, and dominated Nigeria in 2007?
Or will a nation so used to international sporting success, often in fields dominated by only a small handful of countries, demand style as well as substance in our quest for international glory.
In short: what do we want from our Socceroos?
If football is as much about philosophising as it is about on-field action – and let’s face it, there’s only so much one can say about that performance against Oman – what do Socceroos fans, both committed and casual, think about the current state of the national team?
I’m interested to hear what you think.
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John said | October 20th 2009 @ 2:41am | Report comment
I believe Viduka was a Key Part of the socceroos success. Now that hes supposedly gone (i hope he makes a surprise return, because he hasn’t officially announced his retirement), we have no one to replace him, and this has negatively impacted the team. With no class in the final third. Viduka’s hold up play was key. So now we see a bunch of lacklustre displays for the socceroos. Neither Kennedy or Mcdonald have or can Fill the Lone-striker boots of Mark Viduka (probably the best Back to goal striker in the prem during his time at leeds and beyond).
Everybody expects the socceroos now to at least reach the RO16 but are hopeful for the RO8, without Viduka i dont think we will get past the group stage. How can we bring talented players like Kewell and Cahill if we keep losing the ball in the final third, kennedy took a 9 month hiatus for his club due to his poor form as a lone-striker. And Mcdonald has openly admitted he needs a striker partner.
I honestly dont believe we will get past the group stage without Viduka. Even though we expect so much more.
Freud of Football said | October 20th 2009 @ 5:15am | Report comment
I think George Orwell’s comment is more apt: “Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence. In other words, it is war minus the shooting”
We love to cringe at the violence unfolding before us, fans enter arenas and thirst for blood, they lose all inhibition and scream obscenities for which they would be jailed on the street. Sport gives nations a chance to go up against old foes, for colonies to go up against their conquerers and for David’s to slay proverbial Goliath’s.
Australians love this aspect, the competitiveness where we can live through those representing us on the field, in the pool or driving a car, we love to battle for a win and that is what Pim Verbeek is so good at doing. Hiddink was good and he did it with some flair but if I had to pick someone to take me into battle, it’d definately be Pim.
We need to realise, Australia isn’t blessed with technical talent, we are blessed with some fine athletes who play a physical brand of football, we won’t be able to compete with Brazil or France in a game of football but we might be able to kick them off the pitch, hence expect Pim to get them to do just that.
Pim knows what he is doing, he didn’t get us to the World Cup by a fluke, he is using the talent that he has at his disposal and if that means crosses into a 6’5 striker and pinching the odd goal from Cahill, that’s what he’ll do.
Focus on the next generation if we want to play pretty football but the current crop aren’t capable of doing so at the highest level.
midfield general said | October 20th 2009 @ 8:02am | Report comment
You’re probably right. But I thought Hiddink had them playing much better with the same group of players 4 years ago. For my 2 cents worth we are lacking central midfielders who can control the game – Grella seems to be in decline, and Valeri and Jedinak just don’t look up to it. Jason Culina has been pretty anonymous, too. I don’t know what the answer is, maybe Wilkshire? Milligan? Packing the defence and counterattacking is probably the way to go in SA, we just don’t seem to have the personnel.
Realfootball said | October 20th 2009 @ 9:49am | Report comment
You only have to look at the track records of Hiddink and Verbeek to see that there is a vast difference in class and experience between them. This is not an insult – just an objective reading of CVs, which also reflect their relative levels of tactical vision and man management.
I think it is fair to say that under Hiddink, these players over achieved in terms of their individual quality as players, but they were also at the physical peak of their careers, at 26-27. This is now an old team, with the core players past their physical peaks. In some cases, as in Kewell, Grella and Bresciano, the loss of pace has been particularly marked. One very significant difference is that in Kewell in 2005-6, we still had a genuine, if injury prone, gamebreaker. He is now a solid player, but no more than that. We have no player with the pace and ability to turn a defense inside out. Cahill is a wonderful finisher, but he lacks pace too, and is quite limited in other aspects of his game.
In the end, it is our team’s chronic lack of pace that will bring us undone in South Africa.
midfield general said | October 21st 2009 @ 7:38am | Report comment
Yes we do lack pace. My wish is for Ruka and Vidosic to emerge to be regulars in SA. Even if they don’t why not take them so they can be let off the leash from the bench. And what about someone like Ryan Griffith, doing ok in China. Verbeek’s not doing his job if he doesn’t look at the last 3 games objectively and at least try to make some changes, because performances have been poor. Sticking by experienced players is fine if they are performing, but in my mind there are question marks over likes of Culina, Valeri, Bresciano and even Kennedy.
Pippinu said | October 21st 2009 @ 7:41am | Report comment
But Fos doesn’t like to focus too much on athleticism and physical attributes.
Freud of Football said | October 20th 2009 @ 5:39pm | Report comment
With one very notable exception. Viduka. Verbeek doesn’t have a target man like Hiddink had.
albe said | October 20th 2009 @ 6:37am | Report comment
Foz’s ‘destined to fail’ comment was overstepping imo. Sure he’s prodding for things to improve, but sometimes i think he’s very unrealistic about where we should be at this point. Its great to aim for more, it’ll just take a generation of improved coaching at the youth level to make it happen.
I’m 90pc pragmatist with the Roos at this point. The result against the Oranje was a good blank or neutral type result. Didn’t have any chance of detracting from the boys confidence going into the Oman match. Which really was the real deal.
All for being ambitious in future world cups. For me though, 2010 is all about going, being part of the big show again… maybe qualifying from the group again (depending on the draw) but most of all not trying to be too much, too soon.
Realfootball said | October 20th 2009 @ 9:02am | Report comment
Nope, I agree with Foster, with a different word in a key place. “Coached” to fail is the phrase I would use for the work being done by the dour, unimaginative and limited Pim Verbeek, who should be charged with bringing the game into disrepute.
whiskeymac said | October 20th 2009 @ 8:04am | Report comment
Everyone agrees that being there is amazing and first and foremost kudos to the coach and players for achieving it, but playing well when we are there – win or lose but playing well – is what i’d like to see. The socceroos are only as good as their last game in this respect, and against a good Omani side we weren’t that inspiring.
Ultimately though I want to see the next generation of stars offer hope that this won’t be the last time we are at the WC for another extended period.
Tom said | October 20th 2009 @ 8:24am | Report comment
Mike, I certainly agree that the Australian public and media were way too dismissive of the Omanis. They are a capable, well organised football side with a history of solid results.
Chook said | October 20th 2009 @ 8:51am | Report comment
I had a listen to a Pim interview he felt that final 16 would be the aim then, it we will see what we get.
I think that it has to be a graduak thing a progressive aim to get better results and a better team. I think that there are a number of players who are steeping up and I think the future is positive.
When I a really old bloke I think we can win the World Cup.
whiskeymac said | October 20th 2009 @ 9:34am | Report comment
in getting to the last 16 will involve some good solid performances, a favourable draw and a dollop of good luck. Pim can only influence the first, the other two are out of our hands.
dasilva said | October 20th 2009 @ 10:05am | Report comment
“But by whose definition of failure are we reckoning with?
Talk to Pim Verbeek, and he makes it perfectly clear that his job description was to steer Australia to the World Cup finals in 2010″
Actually, Pim has stated straight after he qualified. That his mission is to take australia to the Quarter Finals of the World Cup. That the team wants to do better then what they achieved in 2006. He recently change his tune in the recent offsider interview to reduce it to round of 16.
If you are going to use that Pim own’s criteria of success/failure. Foster is right, we are destined to fail. We are not playing like Round of 16 or Quarter Finalist quality football by the way we played against Oman. Now people may think that is too high of ambition and they may be right. However I’m just using the same criteria Pim has set out for himself.
The only possible way I can see Australia can reach the Quarters is if we had the same route that Ukraine had last world cup.
Midfielder said | October 20th 2009 @ 10:10am | Report comment
A small business client of mine often belittled his staff, their qualifications etc and compared them against major world gaints… whom he had to cpmpete with…
The lack of training by schools, TAFE & universities all added to his position…. one day it all got to much for him and he sold the business to as he saw it at the time a fool…
It’s a few years ago now but I lost quite a good client in terms of fees he paid and I often wonder how the business went with the new owner…
Well bless me … the business is huge now and has out from many of it’s overseas rivials….
How I found this out was because I meet the guy who brought the business by accident at a seminar training day …. what he said was we have to make do with what you have and work at what you good at … then develop other skills as needed…
With Fozzie I doubt he fully appreciates the strenghts of Australian Football… with all it’s weakness and lack of style … we can still often deliver… but maybe not as others do… he constant message was accepted the day we appointed our first overseas coach many manymoons ago… that we have not reached the target is true are we trying to get their … YES…
But to the point of the article … who is the style police that says we have to win in a certain way … they don’t speak for me… TBH if we win I am happy if we loose I am not…
FIsher Price said | October 20th 2009 @ 11:07am | Report comment
Let’s not forget there’s no guarantee we’ll even qualify for the finals in 2014 or 2018, so grinding out three 0-0 draws in South Africa won’t necessarily be setting a platform to build upon in future tournaments.
Why not have a go in 2010? Oh yes, I forgot, Pim’s not paid to do that.