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	<title>Comments on: Football needs to be on free-to-air</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/22/football-needs-to-be-on-free-to-air/#comment-234278</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MCG can&#039;t host a World Cup Game, because it&#039;s boundaries are too far away. Sydney will get two stadiums (SFS and ANZ), Melbourne one (etihad)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MCG can&#8217;t host a World Cup Game, because it&#8217;s boundaries are too far away. Sydney will get two stadiums (SFS and ANZ), Melbourne one (etihad)</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/22/football-needs-to-be-on-free-to-air/#comment-230935</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure, but I think the current MCG deal runs till something like 2032.

The MCC controls the MCG - but the AFL have complete rights during the winter months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure, but I think the current MCG deal runs till something like 2032.</p>
<p>The MCC controls the MCG &#8211; but the AFL have complete rights during the winter months.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/22/football-needs-to-be-on-free-to-air/#comment-230929</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>World Cup wont be until 2018 or 2022 if at all

All international cricket will only be played in Indian friendly time zones by then and state cricket can easily be played at surburban ovals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>World Cup wont be until 2018 or 2022 if at all</p>
<p>All international cricket will only be played in Indian friendly time zones by then and state cricket can easily be played at surburban ovals.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/22/football-needs-to-be-on-free-to-air/#comment-230920</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AndyRoo
As far as the AFL goes - there can be no earlier and later season (not to the extent of two months) because cricket is played either side of the season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AndyRoo<br />
As far as the AFL goes &#8211; there can be no earlier and later season (not to the extent of two months) because cricket is played either side of the season.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/22/football-needs-to-be-on-free-to-air/#comment-230917</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Won&#039;t be a problem.

This is Australia we are talking about not some country of worry warts. 

AFL and NRLwill make a few noises (although I think the NRL has already give their ok) but with a bit of an early and later season they will be allright.  The NRL uses a lot of Surburban grounds so can probably do a number of split rounds to get through that period.

I can imagine the AFL causing a stink, becasue quite frankly &quot;the great Austrlaian game&quot; has a very un australian attitude.

In return they get upgraded stadiums all over the place and would they really want to be still playing why the world cup is going on?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Won&#8217;t be a problem.</p>
<p>This is Australia we are talking about not some country of worry warts. </p>
<p>AFL and NRLwill make a few noises (although I think the NRL has already give their ok) but with a bit of an early and later season they will be allright.  The NRL uses a lot of Surburban grounds so can probably do a number of split rounds to get through that period.</p>
<p>I can imagine the AFL causing a stink, becasue quite frankly &#8220;the great Austrlaian game&#8221; has a very un australian attitude.</p>
<p>In return they get upgraded stadiums all over the place and would they really want to be still playing why the world cup is going on?</p>
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		<title>By: Freud of Football</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/22/football-needs-to-be-on-free-to-air/#comment-230608</link>
		<dc:creator>Freud of Football</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australian&#039;s are used to getting their sports coverage on FTA. Cricket nuts will pay for the privilege to watch the english Ashes series but the Average Joe isn&#039;t going to get Foxtel to watch the A-League and the A-League can only grow with interest from Average Joe&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australian&#8217;s are used to getting their sports coverage on FTA. Cricket nuts will pay for the privilege to watch the english Ashes series but the Average Joe isn&#8217;t going to get Foxtel to watch the A-League and the A-League can only grow with interest from Average Joe&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/22/football-needs-to-be-on-free-to-air/#comment-230606</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a lot of trouble envisaging the AFL shutting up shop for 2 months - one third of its season!!

It&#039;s a bit like asking Myers to shut up shop in the period leading up to Christmas.

To be honest - it looks impossible - and considering the AFL has first dibs on both the MCG and Dome (which they will almost own outright by then) - a two month recess looks like a major, major stumbling block.

FIFA has rules about shutting out all major sporting events - but surely that would not extend to a little ol&#039; suburban competition that no one in the world has ever heard of?  Will hockey, lacrosse and korfball also be shut down for two months?  What about little athletics??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lot of trouble envisaging the AFL shutting up shop for 2 months &#8211; one third of its season!!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit like asking Myers to shut up shop in the period leading up to Christmas.</p>
<p>To be honest &#8211; it looks impossible &#8211; and considering the AFL has first dibs on both the MCG and Dome (which they will almost own outright by then) &#8211; a two month recess looks like a major, major stumbling block.</p>
<p>FIFA has rules about shutting out all major sporting events &#8211; but surely that would not extend to a little ol&#8217; suburban competition that no one in the world has ever heard of?  Will hockey, lacrosse and korfball also be shut down for two months?  What about little athletics??</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cab
in terms of live A-League games - we can predict the response of the commercial FTAs, from two differenct perspectives:

1.  viewing numbers on Fox; and
2.  the fact that two 45 minute halves aren&#039;t conducive to the manner in which a commercial FTA generally runs things and earn money.

Highlights show - that&#039;s ok.
Even replays - that&#039;s ok.
But live games - not attractive to commercial FTAs.

SBS, ABC, HD channels - that&#039;s a good fit - but not big bucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cab<br />
in terms of live A-League games &#8211; we can predict the response of the commercial FTAs, from two differenct perspectives:</p>
<p>1.  viewing numbers on Fox; and<br />
2.  the fact that two 45 minute halves aren&#8217;t conducive to the manner in which a commercial FTA generally runs things and earn money.</p>
<p>Highlights show &#8211; that&#8217;s ok.<br />
Even replays &#8211; that&#8217;s ok.<br />
But live games &#8211; not attractive to commercial FTAs.</p>
<p>SBS, ABC, HD channels &#8211; that&#8217;s a good fit &#8211; but not big bucks.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/22/football-needs-to-be-on-free-to-air/#comment-230592</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And they get a host of upgraded stadiums in return. Seems win win for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And they get a host of upgraded stadiums in return. Seems win win for all.</p>
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		<title>By: The Link</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/22/football-needs-to-be-on-free-to-air/#comment-230591</link>
		<dc:creator>The Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NRL did it for the Olympics in 2000, can&#039;t see why they wouldn&#039;t do it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NRL did it for the Olympics in 2000, can&#8217;t see why they wouldn&#8217;t do it again.</p>
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		<title>By: cab711</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/22/football-needs-to-be-on-free-to-air/#comment-230587</link>
		<dc:creator>cab711</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all hearsay and conjecture. You cannot predict how the big FTA Channels will bid, if at all, for the HAL from todays standpoint. But whatever happens from here on out, the FOX deal has been fantastic for the code IMO. If the HAL secure a better deal with FOX this would be great ensuring a couple more years financial stability. FTA will give greater potential for exposure to the HAL but not necessarily perform that task. A FTA deal could turn out to be a lemon with the wrong decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all hearsay and conjecture. You cannot predict how the big FTA Channels will bid, if at all, for the HAL from todays standpoint. But whatever happens from here on out, the FOX deal has been fantastic for the code IMO. If the HAL secure a better deal with FOX this would be great ensuring a couple more years financial stability. FTA will give greater potential for exposure to the HAL but not necessarily perform that task. A FTA deal could turn out to be a lemon with the wrong decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: tifosi</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/22/football-needs-to-be-on-free-to-air/#comment-230585</link>
		<dc:creator>tifosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic a little but this wont go down well.  

&quot;The AFL and NRL will have to take mid-season breaks of up to eight weeks should Australia host the soccer World Cup in 2018 or 2022 &quot; 

http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-sport/world-cup-would-mean-midseason-shutdown-20091022-hb0b.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic a little but this wont go down well.  </p>
<p>&#8220;The AFL and NRL will have to take mid-season breaks of up to eight weeks should Australia host the soccer World Cup in 2018 or 2022 &#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-sport/world-cup-would-mean-midseason-shutdown-20091022-hb0b.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-sport/world-cup-would-mean-midseason-shutdown-20091022-hb0b.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/22/football-needs-to-be-on-free-to-air/#comment-230573</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that I think an A2 is viable but I would say the salary cap would be the same as A1 but with a reduced miniumum you have to spend on players (i think approx 80% of the cap in the min you can spend on players).

That way if a big team did have a bad year they wouldn&#039;t have to lose all their players. And Ambitious teams aren&#039;t held back from having a real go at promotion and succeding in the top division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that I think an A2 is viable but I would say the salary cap would be the same as A1 but with a reduced miniumum you have to spend on players (i think approx 80% of the cap in the min you can spend on players).</p>
<p>That way if a big team did have a bad year they wouldn&#8217;t have to lose all their players. And Ambitious teams aren&#8217;t held back from having a real go at promotion and succeding in the top division.</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with all competitions the FFA would have to get to a point were TV money will be allocated to all teams obviously more in A-League1 than A-League2 but at the same time the salary cap for A-League2 would be much less too. Imagine Sydney FC or Melbourne Victory get relegated! well that&#039;s all part of the excitement.

Say if we had 20 clubs (10 clubs in each league) A-League today has a salary cap of around $2.5M per team and you would envisage A-League2 say around $1M per team. I think it could work down the track provided TV money is available from the FFA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with all competitions the FFA would have to get to a point were TV money will be allocated to all teams obviously more in A-League1 than A-League2 but at the same time the salary cap for A-League2 would be much less too. Imagine Sydney FC or Melbourne Victory get relegated! well that&#8217;s all part of the excitement.</p>
<p>Say if we had 20 clubs (10 clubs in each league) A-League today has a salary cap of around $2.5M per team and you would envisage A-League2 say around $1M per team. I think it could work down the track provided TV money is available from the FFA.</p>
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		<title>By: whiskeymac</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiskeymac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>constatine they are very much an important part of football (the new NSW Soccer set up back of blacktown in particular is impressive). just not according to FFA. 
but unless you can reallocate South Melbourne to Hobart and Marconi to Wagga, invoving these types of clubs would make the whole set up very much centred in one or two metro areas and would not create  the Austrlaia wide coverage Frank was talking about. I personally wld like to see some older clubs involved but even for the reasons above am not sure it wld happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>constatine they are very much an important part of football (the new NSW Soccer set up back of blacktown in particular is impressive). just not according to FFA.<br />
but unless you can reallocate South Melbourne to Hobart and Marconi to Wagga, invoving these types of clubs would make the whole set up very much centred in one or two metro areas and would not create  the Austrlaia wide coverage Frank was talking about. I personally wld like to see some older clubs involved but even for the reasons above am not sure it wld happen.</p>
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		<title>By: constantine</title>
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		<dc:creator>constantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as much as people might disagree the state league sides already have beautiful stadia, football only and perfect pitches. why not get the largest state sides to produce the evidence necessary that they can survive in a2. they already have supporters that would readily come out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as much as people might disagree the state league sides already have beautiful stadia, football only and perfect pitches. why not get the largest state sides to produce the evidence necessary that they can survive in a2. they already have supporters that would readily come out</p>
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		<title>By: mahony</title>
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		<dc:creator>mahony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You cannot compare the A-League to fringe comps in fringe sports (domestically and internationaly in relative terms to football).  Football IS different and Lowy knows what to do with it in the Australian context.  Time is going to be very kind to Frank and his vision for the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cannot compare the A-League to fringe comps in fringe sports (domestically and internationaly in relative terms to football).  Football IS different and Lowy knows what to do with it in the Australian context.  Time is going to be very kind to Frank and his vision for the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Chook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should have a high light package like the Premier League on SBS. 

I think Fox could get the cross promotional package.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should have a high light package like the Premier League on SBS. </p>
<p>I think Fox could get the cross promotional package.</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well to be fair you can only compare the Australian teams and the Waratahs gets over 100-150K regularly, whereas the HAL struggles to get close to 100 even with the marquee Melb V Syd.  

Some of the ratings for the HAL games are very low and only make the Top 50 because the AFL and NRL seasons are over.

To be honest I havent done a week to week analysis so you maybe right but intuitively it seems incorrect.   

Redb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well to be fair you can only compare the Australian teams and the Waratahs gets over 100-150K regularly, whereas the HAL struggles to get close to 100 even with the marquee Melb V Syd.  </p>
<p>Some of the ratings for the HAL games are very low and only make the Top 50 because the AFL and NRL seasons are over.</p>
<p>To be honest I havent done a week to week analysis so you maybe right but intuitively it seems incorrect.   </p>
<p>Redb</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I can see on Astra the only Super 14 games to do better are the Tahs in a friendly time zone (OZ or NZ) and when two Australian Teams play each other 
Otherwise you could throw a blanket over the figures.

Games not involving the Australian teams....well ASTRA only show the top 50 so I have never seen one.

Not that it says alot about the strength of Football....just how bad Rugby is doing more likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I can see on Astra the only Super 14 games to do better are the Tahs in a friendly time zone (OZ or NZ) and when two Australian Teams play each other<br />
Otherwise you could throw a blanket over the figures.</p>
<p>Games not involving the Australian teams&#8230;.well ASTRA only show the top 50 so I have never seen one.</p>
<p>Not that it says alot about the strength of Football&#8230;.just how bad Rugby is doing more likely.</p>
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		<title>By: whiskeymac</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiskeymac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why not encourage the universities to field teams to make up the second division? uni&#039;s in regional centres like Wagga, Armidale, wollongong etc might have the training facilities and local connections already and if given some incentives might be able to fund a team. cld get some of the students to come along... or is it too american (college style tier). 

 of course uni funding is terrible - but thats for books and not sport, and if they are serious about wanting to have an australian of the year in the alumini....=) 

how about a combined forces team? &quot;barrack the team from the barracks&quot;. they&#039;d probably play a physical game mind you but wld be a good clash against the uni team ( i assume who wld play an SBS approved game).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why not encourage the universities to field teams to make up the second division? uni&#8217;s in regional centres like Wagga, Armidale, wollongong etc might have the training facilities and local connections already and if given some incentives might be able to fund a team. cld get some of the students to come along&#8230; or is it too american (college style tier). </p>
<p> of course uni funding is terrible &#8211; but thats for books and not sport, and if they are serious about wanting to have an australian of the year in the alumini&#8230;.=) </p>
<p>how about a combined forces team? &#8220;barrack the team from the barracks&#8221;. they&#8217;d probably play a physical game mind you but wld be a good clash against the uni team ( i assume who wld play an SBS approved game).</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>need buckets of money to run P &amp; R especially in OZ.</description>
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		<title>By: True Tah</title>
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		<dc:creator>True Tah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pete it would be interesting, but a B-League would be a massive financial drain, if you want to pay players.

P &amp; R is a tough sell in a country with a small population and a massive geographic area, and even more so when the teams do not enjoy the longevity of support in say England.

Say for instance Perth Glory got relegated to B-League?  Would that mean their would be no top class futbol in WA?

The US does not have P &amp; R and MLS does very well.  Brazil didnt have a truly national competition until comparatively recently.  I think the one country which we could learn from may be Russia, as it a massive country with P &amp; R.  My knowledge on Russian futbol is pretty limited, but I know that at one stage Vladivostok had a team in the Premier League and it caused a few issues for other sides, who thought they should be playing in the Japanese competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pete it would be interesting, but a B-League would be a massive financial drain, if you want to pay players.</p>
<p>P &amp; R is a tough sell in a country with a small population and a massive geographic area, and even more so when the teams do not enjoy the longevity of support in say England.</p>
<p>Say for instance Perth Glory got relegated to B-League?  Would that mean their would be no top class futbol in WA?</p>
<p>The US does not have P &amp; R and MLS does very well.  Brazil didnt have a truly national competition until comparatively recently.  I think the one country which we could learn from may be Russia, as it a massive country with P &amp; R.  My knowledge on Russian futbol is pretty limited, but I know that at one stage Vladivostok had a team in the Premier League and it caused a few issues for other sides, who thought they should be playing in the Japanese competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two issues with P &amp; R:

1.  using your example, two annual airfares for Darwin vs Hobart would be enough to break the bank; and

2.  it occurs to me that as teams go broke (as will often happen in new competitions), the sorts of teams that may have once upon a time been earmarked to start a second division will increasingly be used to plug the holes in the A-League proper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two issues with P &amp; R:</p>
<p>1.  using your example, two annual airfares for Darwin vs Hobart would be enough to break the bank; and</p>
<p>2.  it occurs to me that as teams go broke (as will often happen in new competitions), the sorts of teams that may have once upon a time been earmarked to start a second division will increasingly be used to plug the holes in the A-League proper.</p>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt about the Socceroos drawing power.  However, the HAL does not rate near the Super 14 rugby on average.

Redb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt about the Socceroos drawing power.  However, the HAL does not rate near the Super 14 rugby on average.</p>
<p>Redb</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Socceroos have rated really well for a product only on Pay TV.
They were the money making consideration for TV last deal and that remains the case this time. 
The HAL is not the only product. That would be like saying Shefield Shield is the cricket product, although the HAL brings in Figures comparative to Super Rugby in Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Socceroos have rated really well for a product only on Pay TV.<br />
They were the money making consideration for TV last deal and that remains the case this time.<br />
The HAL is not the only product. That would be like saying Shefield Shield is the cricket product, although the HAL brings in Figures comparative to Super Rugby in Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree Fox Sports do a good job with their coverage but for the ordinary person to follow a team I would like to see all the Socceroos &amp; 1 A-League match per week on FTA.

Having a 2nd division (A-League2) would be very interesting as there is no such thing here with other codes. Unless a massive TV deal comes through in future I can&#039;t see it happening in the short term. The 2nd division should include teams like Canberra, Wollongong, Geelong, Hobart, Darwin and maybe another team from NZ etc rather than more teams from Sydney and Melbourne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree Fox Sports do a good job with their coverage but for the ordinary person to follow a team I would like to see all the Socceroos &amp; 1 A-League match per week on FTA.</p>
<p>Having a 2nd division (A-League2) would be very interesting as there is no such thing here with other codes. Unless a massive TV deal comes through in future I can&#8217;t see it happening in the short term. The 2nd division should include teams like Canberra, Wollongong, Geelong, Hobart, Darwin and maybe another team from NZ etc rather than more teams from Sydney and Melbourne.</p>
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		<title>By: whiskeymac</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiskeymac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agree. Simon Hill and Andrew Harper are good. thought Kossie was good recently also.
with more and more channels (because of digitalisation) needing content, foxtel might struggle when analogue &quot;goes&quot; completely.. with people now having two three times the choice on FTA maybe they will find it harder to get subscribers. what impact would that have on, say, sport???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agree. Simon Hill and Andrew Harper are good. thought Kossie was good recently also.<br />
with more and more channels (because of digitalisation) needing content, foxtel might struggle when analogue &#8220;goes&#8221; completely.. with people now having two three times the choice on FTA maybe they will find it harder to get subscribers. what impact would that have on, say, sport???</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bozza&#039;s great - it&#039;s a good show all round.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a soccer outsider (there, I&#039;ve qualified my comment),

I see Lowy saying all the right things like &quot;I think we have grown up by now, that both the commercial free-to-air and the pay TV (operators) will realise that we are a growing sport, a very popular sport, and we are going places, so we will not be penalised financially.&quot;

and yet, the primary vehicle domestically - the HAL, is not showing this.  Lowy says one thing, and the reality is doing other things.  (proof - To end round 11, 54 games vs 44 games and the HAL V5 has attracted 51,000 people less than the heady days of V3 for 10 less games.)  That&#039;s not a sign of a &#039;growing/popular&#039; sporting product that you are trying to sell to FTA broadcasters - - esp given that inserting ads is the constant conundrum of FTA coverage of soccer.

(The cold harsh facts of rnds 8 and 11 have drawn just 31K and 34K to 5 games each!!, that&#039;ll scare broadcasters off - especially now post NRL/AFL seasons.  That puts the game in ABC afternoon territory.).  

(note - this is on the basis of separating the &#039;product&#039; = the HAL ; from the &#039;game&#039; = soccer)

Lowy is working the hustings, doing the salesman job and trying to talk it all up.  In my humble opinion, he needs a bit more support just at the minute.  But, perhaps best not from Clive Palmer!!!  However, the light at the end of the tunnel......post the 2006 FIFA WC, and MVFC success in V3 of HAL, people getting &#039;caught up&#039; in the positive glow saw the Vic Govt build a $300 million stadium.  Perhaps, just perhaps, 2011, in the afterglow of 2010 FIFA WC is the perfect time to draw cash from what otherwise might be broadcasting stones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a soccer outsider (there, I&#8217;ve qualified my comment),</p>
<p>I see Lowy saying all the right things like &#8220;I think we have grown up by now, that both the commercial free-to-air and the pay TV (operators) will realise that we are a growing sport, a very popular sport, and we are going places, so we will not be penalised financially.&#8221;</p>
<p>and yet, the primary vehicle domestically &#8211; the HAL, is not showing this.  Lowy says one thing, and the reality is doing other things.  (proof &#8211; To end round 11, 54 games vs 44 games and the HAL V5 has attracted 51,000 people less than the heady days of V3 for 10 less games.)  That&#8217;s not a sign of a &#8216;growing/popular&#8217; sporting product that you are trying to sell to FTA broadcasters &#8211; - esp given that inserting ads is the constant conundrum of FTA coverage of soccer.</p>
<p>(The cold harsh facts of rnds 8 and 11 have drawn just 31K and 34K to 5 games each!!, that&#8217;ll scare broadcasters off &#8211; especially now post NRL/AFL seasons.  That puts the game in ABC afternoon territory.).  </p>
<p>(note &#8211; this is on the basis of separating the &#8216;product&#8217; = the HAL ; from the &#8216;game&#8217; = soccer)</p>
<p>Lowy is working the hustings, doing the salesman job and trying to talk it all up.  In my humble opinion, he needs a bit more support just at the minute.  But, perhaps best not from Clive Palmer!!!  However, the light at the end of the tunnel&#8230;&#8230;post the 2006 FIFA WC, and MVFC success in V3 of HAL, people getting &#8216;caught up&#8217; in the positive glow saw the Vic Govt build a $300 million stadium.  Perhaps, just perhaps, 2011, in the afterglow of 2010 FIFA WC is the perfect time to draw cash from what otherwise might be broadcasting stones.</p>
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