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	<title>Comments on: Gold Coast United are an embarrassment to the A-League</title>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-236526</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mate, you seem deluded if you think they are the best team in the league, like all things Gold Coast it shimmers therefore it must be gold, well, rubbish, they&#039;re just fools gold!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mate, you seem deluded if you think they are the best team in the league, like all things Gold Coast it shimmers therefore it must be gold, well, rubbish, they&#8217;re just fools gold!</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-233735</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the heads up just had a look - good on him</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the heads up just had a look &#8211; good on him</p>
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		<title>By: Con Stamocostas</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-233715</link>
		<dc:creator>Con Stamocostas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog by Gaz on 442 today finally giving it to the club!

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/115453,blog-an-open-letter-to-clive-palmer.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog by Gaz on 442 today finally giving it to the club!</p>
<p><a href="http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/115453,blog-an-open-letter-to-clive-palmer.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/115453,blog-an-open-letter-to-clive-palmer.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: bever fever</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-233055</link>
		<dc:creator>bever fever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where&#039;s KB , will he be the only barracker at their next game, if he is going he should wave so i can see what he looks like.

Fortress Miron to be defended by just one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s KB , will he be the only barracker at their next game, if he is going he should wave so i can see what he looks like.</p>
<p>Fortress Miron to be defended by just one.</p>
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		<title>By: Realfootball</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232905</link>
		<dc:creator>Realfootball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to Jason Culina&#039;s nightmare.</description>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232791</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob
did you watch it live?  Are you a Nix supporter?

Even in a socceroos shirt, Thwaite was a bit of an oddity - he was ok on the ball (as far as defeners go), but he did have a habit of going on a wander.

Similar thing at the Victory.  He had a couple of excellent games mid-season (actually helped us out of a bad patch), but then completely lost his bundle for the rest of the season and was shown up for a complete incapacity to mark players (he lost his place in the team a couple of weeks out from the finals).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob<br />
did you watch it live?  Are you a Nix supporter?</p>
<p>Even in a socceroos shirt, Thwaite was a bit of an oddity &#8211; he was ok on the ball (as far as defeners go), but he did have a habit of going on a wander.</p>
<p>Similar thing at the Victory.  He had a couple of excellent games mid-season (actually helped us out of a bad patch), but then completely lost his bundle for the rest of the season and was shown up for a complete incapacity to mark players (he lost his place in the team a couple of weeks out from the finals).</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Pip,

Yeah, it was an amazing game.  I watched the whole thing, and kept thinking, boy, Thwaite looks out of his depth here.  He was getting skinned all the time, he was frequently out of position - I think he was the one keeping Brown onside when he raced through and around Higgins for his goal.

Ifil made him look stupid, Daniel gave him problems, and for a guy that some (insert GCU&#039;s most avid supporter, GAZ here) were touting as deserving a Socceroos call up, he looked massively off the pace!

I think that the players got carried away by their pre-season and very early season form, and believed some of the crap that came out of the mouths of Bleiberg and Palmer, and now that things are coming unstuck there&#039;s a good chance that they are not sure where to go from here.  Culina and Okon need to put their heads together and sort it out between them, because I don&#039;t think Miron is up to the challenge, as he&#039;s proved in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Pip,</p>
<p>Yeah, it was an amazing game.  I watched the whole thing, and kept thinking, boy, Thwaite looks out of his depth here.  He was getting skinned all the time, he was frequently out of position &#8211; I think he was the one keeping Brown onside when he raced through and around Higgins for his goal.</p>
<p>Ifil made him look stupid, Daniel gave him problems, and for a guy that some (insert GCU&#8217;s most avid supporter, GAZ here) were touting as deserving a Socceroos call up, he looked massively off the pace!</p>
<p>I think that the players got carried away by their pre-season and very early season form, and believed some of the crap that came out of the mouths of Bleiberg and Palmer, and now that things are coming unstuck there&#8217;s a good chance that they are not sure where to go from here.  Culina and Okon need to put their heads together and sort it out between them, because I don&#8217;t think Miron is up to the challenge, as he&#8217;s proved in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232776</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clint,

I won&#039;t disagree with you on the point about government running businesses, although governments have had a long history of it - from banks (CBA, Suncorp) to butchers and a fishing fleet (Qld in the 1920s), and with my socialist hat on, I am all for it., because it was not about profit, per se, but about making sure there were stable jobs floating around, an &quot;honest player&quot; in the marketplace to help regulate the others - moderating capitalism, if you like.  We could argue economic theory here, but it isn&#039;t really relevant.  We all know about how inefficient government run enterprises are, etc.

However, when operating a business specifically FOR PROFIT, Governments tend to want an immediate return on their investment, whereas most businesses plan for incremental gains that initially cover costs and build into tidy profits.  That is evidently not what is going on with the stadium deals at both Skilled Park and Suncorp since the redevelopment.  This is about recouping the cash in the fastest possible time, with no regard for the sustainability of the costs they are imposing on the clubs that are, in fact, filling the govt&#039;s pockets.

So I agree with you that the government is being an idiot about all this rental cost business.

Again, my argument really comes down to the responsibilities of government - first and foremost they need to provide the basic provisions and equality of access for all, which is where infrastructure comes into it - trains, busses, light rail, hospitals, schools, universities and TAFEs, etc. and after all of these things are sorted out, entertainment comes into it.  Unfortunately, it seems, entertainment and the provision of sporting facilities seems to outweigh the provision of these other things at times.  Hence the argument about crap public transport on the Gold Coast, which invariably ends up in a discussion of why people don&#039;t attend GCU games.

Incidentally, I wouldn&#039;t put Libraries in my list of &quot;entertainment&quot;.  They are cultural institutions and are about literacy, learning, preserving our history, and then entertainment, a distant last place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clint,</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t disagree with you on the point about government running businesses, although governments have had a long history of it &#8211; from banks (CBA, Suncorp) to butchers and a fishing fleet (Qld in the 1920s), and with my socialist hat on, I am all for it., because it was not about profit, per se, but about making sure there were stable jobs floating around, an &#8220;honest player&#8221; in the marketplace to help regulate the others &#8211; moderating capitalism, if you like.  We could argue economic theory here, but it isn&#8217;t really relevant.  We all know about how inefficient government run enterprises are, etc.</p>
<p>However, when operating a business specifically FOR PROFIT, Governments tend to want an immediate return on their investment, whereas most businesses plan for incremental gains that initially cover costs and build into tidy profits.  That is evidently not what is going on with the stadium deals at both Skilled Park and Suncorp since the redevelopment.  This is about recouping the cash in the fastest possible time, with no regard for the sustainability of the costs they are imposing on the clubs that are, in fact, filling the govt&#8217;s pockets.</p>
<p>So I agree with you that the government is being an idiot about all this rental cost business.</p>
<p>Again, my argument really comes down to the responsibilities of government &#8211; first and foremost they need to provide the basic provisions and equality of access for all, which is where infrastructure comes into it &#8211; trains, busses, light rail, hospitals, schools, universities and TAFEs, etc. and after all of these things are sorted out, entertainment comes into it.  Unfortunately, it seems, entertainment and the provision of sporting facilities seems to outweigh the provision of these other things at times.  Hence the argument about crap public transport on the Gold Coast, which invariably ends up in a discussion of why people don&#8217;t attend GCU games.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I wouldn&#8217;t put Libraries in my list of &#8220;entertainment&#8221;.  They are cultural institutions and are about literacy, learning, preserving our history, and then entertainment, a distant last place.</p>
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		<title>By: cab711</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232395</link>
		<dc:creator>cab711</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Nix played very well but equally the GCU played awful football. For a club that plays an excellent passing game they looked very ordinary and turned over alot of uneccessary posession especially in the GCU half. The distribution from the defensive back was absolutely horrible and when Van Stratten got pulled the structure really broke down.
Feel sorry for Culina cause he got stretched thin between mid and defence. Even Caravella couldnt play his usual game and Smeltz seemed reluctant to test his old team mates. GCU should have tried to slow down the pace of the game before it got away from them.
Ifill is fantastic, what a great player to have in the HAL. I rate him higher than Tico Hernandez. I also think the Nix kit is the best in the HAL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nix played very well but equally the GCU played awful football. For a club that plays an excellent passing game they looked very ordinary and turned over alot of uneccessary posession especially in the GCU half. The distribution from the defensive back was absolutely horrible and when Van Stratten got pulled the structure really broke down.<br />
Feel sorry for Culina cause he got stretched thin between mid and defence. Even Caravella couldnt play his usual game and Smeltz seemed reluctant to test his old team mates. GCU should have tried to slow down the pace of the game before it got away from them.<br />
Ifill is fantastic, what a great player to have in the HAL. I rate him higher than Tico Hernandez. I also think the Nix kit is the best in the HAL.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232357</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will be interesting to see how GCU handle it compared to the Fury after their loss to GCU in game 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will be interesting to see how GCU handle it compared to the Fury after their loss to GCU in game 2.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232354</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is amazing.

The Nix has won very few games by a margin of 2 or more goals in its whole existence, let alone 6.

Even when GCU were flying at the start of the season (and looking pretty good) - I recall stating here on the Roar more than once that the combo of Panta, Thwaite and Rees was not really anything fantastic.

But that&#039;s life in the A-League - get a marquee, fine, get a few quality players, ok, but then you&#039;re filling the remainder of the roster with low budget players - because there&#039;s no other way.

Still - this loss had nothing to do with that - this was something else altogether.

It&#039;s an amazing scoreline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is amazing.</p>
<p>The Nix has won very few games by a margin of 2 or more goals in its whole existence, let alone 6.</p>
<p>Even when GCU were flying at the start of the season (and looking pretty good) &#8211; I recall stating here on the Roar more than once that the combo of Panta, Thwaite and Rees was not really anything fantastic.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s life in the A-League &#8211; get a marquee, fine, get a few quality players, ok, but then you&#8217;re filling the remainder of the roster with low budget players &#8211; because there&#8217;s no other way.</p>
<p>Still &#8211; this loss had nothing to do with that &#8211; this was something else altogether.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an amazing scoreline.</p>
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		<title>By: Realfootball</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232338</link>
		<dc:creator>Realfootball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched the game in Wellington with amazement - and then, as a very unhappy GCU supporter - with delight. Yes, folks, delight, because after a performance like that surely heads must roll.   Bleiberg stands revealed as an emperor utterly without clothes.  He will never be taken seriously by the football public and the only thing that will save GCU now is a coach with the kind of respect that Lavicka and Merrick possess.  That and a massive reduction in ticket prices - so that they are the same or cheaper than the Mariners, who are the closest model of market to the Gold Coast.

But will Bleiberg going be enough if Cliver Palmer, a man who is quite open about the fact that he knows nothing about the game, is addressing the team at half time?   I have the greatest respect for Palmer, but this is not the way to run a football club.  And there is the unpleasant suspicion that GCU are in fact the meat in the sandwich between Palmer and his arch adversary, Premier Bligh.

I actually believed at the beginning of the season that GCU were the best thing to happen to the A League since the first kickoff of season one.  I wasn&#039;t alone in that.  Instead, what we have is a weekly soap opera of decline and fall.   Unless drastic action is taken to turn GCU around very, very soon  - and it will require drastic surgery - I will be surprised if GCU exists next season.

I would not be at all surprised to see GCU push towards record attendance lows in the next couple of matches.  We could well be entering NZ Knights territory for the game against the Fury who, on current form, will win at Skilled Park.  The GCU team is clearly at rock bottom in terms of morale, and Bleiberg is equally powerless to do anything about it.

What we will see now is just how much Clive Palmer actually wants this football club to survive, because he is going to have to think about almost everything again and be prepared to eat some humble pie and admit that he got things wrong.  Can he do this?   Well, if he can&#039;t, Gold Coast United are dead in the water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the game in Wellington with amazement &#8211; and then, as a very unhappy GCU supporter &#8211; with delight. Yes, folks, delight, because after a performance like that surely heads must roll.   Bleiberg stands revealed as an emperor utterly without clothes.  He will never be taken seriously by the football public and the only thing that will save GCU now is a coach with the kind of respect that Lavicka and Merrick possess.  That and a massive reduction in ticket prices &#8211; so that they are the same or cheaper than the Mariners, who are the closest model of market to the Gold Coast.</p>
<p>But will Bleiberg going be enough if Cliver Palmer, a man who is quite open about the fact that he knows nothing about the game, is addressing the team at half time?   I have the greatest respect for Palmer, but this is not the way to run a football club.  And there is the unpleasant suspicion that GCU are in fact the meat in the sandwich between Palmer and his arch adversary, Premier Bligh.</p>
<p>I actually believed at the beginning of the season that GCU were the best thing to happen to the A League since the first kickoff of season one.  I wasn&#8217;t alone in that.  Instead, what we have is a weekly soap opera of decline and fall.   Unless drastic action is taken to turn GCU around very, very soon  &#8211; and it will require drastic surgery &#8211; I will be surprised if GCU exists next season.</p>
<p>I would not be at all surprised to see GCU push towards record attendance lows in the next couple of matches.  We could well be entering NZ Knights territory for the game against the Fury who, on current form, will win at Skilled Park.  The GCU team is clearly at rock bottom in terms of morale, and Bleiberg is equally powerless to do anything about it.</p>
<p>What we will see now is just how much Clive Palmer actually wants this football club to survive, because he is going to have to think about almost everything again and be prepared to eat some humble pie and admit that he got things wrong.  Can he do this?   Well, if he can&#8217;t, Gold Coast United are dead in the water.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty simple why GCU arent getting crowds..

Its still Soccer!!!

Apart from the Socceroos (who are now the biggest national team) people couldnt give a toss about the game in general. Which shows in crowds and ratings..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty simple why GCU arent getting crowds..</p>
<p>Its still Soccer!!!</p>
<p>Apart from the Socceroos (who are now the biggest national team) people couldnt give a toss about the game in general. Which shows in crowds and ratings..</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232299</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just saw the highlights - amazing scoreline - there is clearly something wrong in that club - I wonder if Clive gave the half time speech again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just saw the highlights &#8211; amazing scoreline &#8211; there is clearly something wrong in that club &#8211; I wonder if Clive gave the half time speech again?</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232292</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone from the roar was on TV tonight talking about opening a bay that would be $15 tickets.

I hope that&#039;s in place before Ange&#039;s first home game as it would be a real positive turning point for the club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone from the roar was on TV tonight talking about opening a bay that would be $15 tickets.</p>
<p>I hope that&#8217;s in place before Ange&#8217;s first home game as it would be a real positive turning point for the club.</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that loss was a bit of an embarassment...</description>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GCU would have been much better of following  the Fury strategy.

They might not have much money and arent in the top 3 of the table like GCU but their tickets are cheap and the stadium has a lot of people wearing lime green. Old and young they were going off when they clinched that win last night. 
They might be small now but that is a Football club with a future.

Bears last time on the GC they were a joke, prett similar to the swans before barrassi came in. K Hunt seems a similar &quot;joke&quot; strategy that I don&#039;t think is the way to go but if they do everything else right it should look more legit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GCU would have been much better of following  the Fury strategy.</p>
<p>They might not have much money and arent in the top 3 of the table like GCU but their tickets are cheap and the stadium has a lot of people wearing lime green. Old and young they were going off when they clinched that win last night.<br />
They might be small now but that is a Football club with a future.</p>
<p>Bears last time on the GC they were a joke, prett similar to the swans before barrassi came in. K Hunt seems a similar &#8220;joke&#8221; strategy that I don&#8217;t think is the way to go but if they do everything else right it should look more legit.</p>
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		<title>By: Con Stamocostas</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232119</link>
		<dc:creator>Con Stamocostas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are over analyzing this one Freud.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are over analyzing this one Freud&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Con Stamocostas</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232118</link>
		<dc:creator>Con Stamocostas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Davidde</description>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232080</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no better value in World sport than a Victory membership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no better value in World sport than a Victory membership.</p>
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		<title>By: Realfootball</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232074</link>
		<dc:creator>Realfootball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish my GCU season ticket was a Victory season ticket, let me tell you.  If I hadn&#039;t paid so much for the damned thing, I&#039;d be giving it back.  Leaving aside the players, who are terrific,  the club off the pitch is so disappointing.  The bad judgements, the lack of professionalism in dealing with the public and the media.  I was disgusted when I read that the old 5k cap issue was on the agenda again.  Do these people have no self respect?  Do they have no understanding of their market at all?  I will most certainly not be taking out a membership next season.  I&#039;d rather travel further to see the Roar as I have done for the 4 previous seasons, because I think Postacoglou will turn corner for the club, and the fans will return. Commentators keep on saying how smart Bleiberg is. Well, I began the season with a high regard for Bleiberg but that has well and truly gone, and as someone who worked for a long time in PR and marketing, let me assure you that, contrary to Miron&#039;s belief, there is such a thing as bad publicity.  Exposure is about creating a brand, and Gold Coast have failed to create a brand that connects with its market - because, simply, they didn&#039;t know what they were doing.  

There is another match at Skilled Park next weekend.  I couldn&#039;t care less whether I go or not, and there is no more damning indictment from a member than that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish my GCU season ticket was a Victory season ticket, let me tell you.  If I hadn&#8217;t paid so much for the damned thing, I&#8217;d be giving it back.  Leaving aside the players, who are terrific,  the club off the pitch is so disappointing.  The bad judgements, the lack of professionalism in dealing with the public and the media.  I was disgusted when I read that the old 5k cap issue was on the agenda again.  Do these people have no self respect?  Do they have no understanding of their market at all?  I will most certainly not be taking out a membership next season.  I&#8217;d rather travel further to see the Roar as I have done for the 4 previous seasons, because I think Postacoglou will turn corner for the club, and the fans will return. Commentators keep on saying how smart Bleiberg is. Well, I began the season with a high regard for Bleiberg but that has well and truly gone, and as someone who worked for a long time in PR and marketing, let me assure you that, contrary to Miron&#8217;s belief, there is such a thing as bad publicity.  Exposure is about creating a brand, and Gold Coast have failed to create a brand that connects with its market &#8211; because, simply, they didn&#8217;t know what they were doing.  </p>
<p>There is another match at Skilled Park next weekend.  I couldn&#8217;t care less whether I go or not, and there is no more damning indictment from a member than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232073</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s still a mystery how it&#039;s going to pan out - but there&#039;s no denying that with a club that had the resources GCU had, they&#039;ve gone a funny way about it in garnering local support.

Re the new aussie rules teams, I can say that the Bears operated out of Carrara for its first five or six years when they were a bit of a basket case.

Some crowds were as low as 4,000, other times they were around 18,000.

So with a smarter return to Carrara, I have no problem envisaging crowds of around 12,000 to 15,000 in their first season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s still a mystery how it&#8217;s going to pan out &#8211; but there&#8217;s no denying that with a club that had the resources GCU had, they&#8217;ve gone a funny way about it in garnering local support.</p>
<p>Re the new aussie rules teams, I can say that the Bears operated out of Carrara for its first five or six years when they were a bit of a basket case.</p>
<p>Some crowds were as low as 4,000, other times they were around 18,000.</p>
<p>So with a smarter return to Carrara, I have no problem envisaging crowds of around 12,000 to 15,000 in their first season.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232068</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived on the Gold Coast for a few years and before GCU started I would have told you their is just as much of a Football culture as their is an AFL one. I still say that.

But the AFL team will be a huge success when compared too GCU, GCU have butchered their entry into the market. Meanwhile the GC AFl team will spend a lot of money yet charge much less for tickets (and give away bucket loads of free ones too). They know posting big crowd figures gains momentum with news services, sponcers and builds a club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived on the Gold Coast for a few years and before GCU started I would have told you their is just as much of a Football culture as their is an AFL one. I still say that.</p>
<p>But the AFL team will be a huge success when compared too GCU, GCU have butchered their entry into the market. Meanwhile the GC AFl team will spend a lot of money yet charge much less for tickets (and give away bucket loads of free ones too). They know posting big crowd figures gains momentum with news services, sponcers and builds a club.</p>
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		<title>By: bruski</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-232040</link>
		<dc:creator>bruski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a football fan but have been trying to make it to games and watch some A-League on TV. The problem I have now is that I have made it to 4 games, all with poor crowds and I have been trying to figure out why they cannot get the feet through the gates.

I really wanted to become a fan of GCU as a summer sport and support the other code/s in the winter months, no problem. but with the crap coming out in the media of late about the capping of the crowds to 5k well they can count me out!

Firstly, if they do not want me and others like me to come out and support them well it is a no brainer! Then there is always this underlying thing of football or as I will keep on calling it Soccer of having some sort of cultural supperiority over other codes. 

Now this type of thing does nothing for the game with so many of us wanting to be convinced that Soccer is a worthwhile sport to follow; With this sort of snobbery it will and I imagine is turning would be supporters away from the club and sport!

I will give GCU a tip, watch the next 18 months at how the new Gold Coast AFL team goes about it&#039;s business, they will work their asses off to win hearts and minds whilst soccer on the coast will continue to languish. 

Lastly, how do you expect a team to be successful with no-one watching them, it makes me wonder!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a football fan but have been trying to make it to games and watch some A-League on TV. The problem I have now is that I have made it to 4 games, all with poor crowds and I have been trying to figure out why they cannot get the feet through the gates.</p>
<p>I really wanted to become a fan of GCU as a summer sport and support the other code/s in the winter months, no problem. but with the crap coming out in the media of late about the capping of the crowds to 5k well they can count me out!</p>
<p>Firstly, if they do not want me and others like me to come out and support them well it is a no brainer! Then there is always this underlying thing of football or as I will keep on calling it Soccer of having some sort of cultural supperiority over other codes. </p>
<p>Now this type of thing does nothing for the game with so many of us wanting to be convinced that Soccer is a worthwhile sport to follow; With this sort of snobbery it will and I imagine is turning would be supporters away from the club and sport!</p>
<p>I will give GCU a tip, watch the next 18 months at how the new Gold Coast AFL team goes about it&#8217;s business, they will work their asses off to win hearts and minds whilst soccer on the coast will continue to languish. </p>
<p>Lastly, how do you expect a team to be successful with no-one watching them, it makes me wonder!!</p>
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		<title>By: michaelunt</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-231996</link>
		<dc:creator>michaelunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I am mate because whatever thread you start here the AFL boys come in and tell us why there code is the best in the country ad nauseam.

If I feel like responding I will. Are you intelligent enough to understand this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I am mate because whatever thread you start here the AFL boys come in and tell us why there code is the best in the country ad nauseam.</p>
<p>If I feel like responding I will. Are you intelligent enough to understand this?</p>
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		<title>By: Freud of Football</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-231989</link>
		<dc:creator>Freud of Football</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And an NRL fan coming to a football article to talk about how poor the AFL and its fan&#039;s are?

Are you intelligent enough to sense the irony?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And an NRL fan coming to a football article to talk about how poor the AFL and its fan&#8217;s are?</p>
<p>Are you intelligent enough to sense the irony?</p>
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		<title>By: michaelunt</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-231985</link>
		<dc:creator>michaelunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice try AFL boys but the fact is that Rugby League rules in Queensland and Rugby League fans should not be forced to pay exorbitant ticket prices to subsidise a less popular code flush with cash.

Rugby League dominates QLD in terms of crowds and viewers - the AFL is a distant second.

Just assuming superiority, as you guys always do is not an argument - it is just bloated egoism of the worst type replacing argument with an elevated sense of self importance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try AFL boys but the fact is that Rugby League rules in Queensland and Rugby League fans should not be forced to pay exorbitant ticket prices to subsidise a less popular code flush with cash.</p>
<p>Rugby League dominates QLD in terms of crowds and viewers &#8211; the AFL is a distant second.</p>
<p>Just assuming superiority, as you guys always do is not an argument &#8211; it is just bloated egoism of the worst type replacing argument with an elevated sense of self importance.</p>
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		<title>By: Freud of Football</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-231909</link>
		<dc:creator>Freud of Football</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so I read this article to find out Con made a good prediction before the season about an eccentric/idiotic billionaire who was always going to do something stupid sooner rather than later.

His posting of comments from the editor of a surfing magazine were a total waste of time and what this article was about. I&#039;ll stick to it, a total waste of my time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so I read this article to find out Con made a good prediction before the season about an eccentric/idiotic billionaire who was always going to do something stupid sooner rather than later.</p>
<p>His posting of comments from the editor of a surfing magazine were a total waste of time and what this article was about. I&#8217;ll stick to it, a total waste of my time.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-231908</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like the title of that James Bond movie:  &quot;The World is not Enough&quot;

Don&#039;t worry about what the world can do for you - worry more about what you can do for your local football club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like the title of that James Bond movie:  &#8220;The World is not Enough&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about what the world can do for you &#8211; worry more about what you can do for your local football club.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/24/embarrassing-and-absurd/#comment-231907</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steady on Freud - it wasn&#039;t a complete waste of time!!

con&#039;s line:  &quot;A case of life imitating absurdity&quot; was quite good and that was a pretty fine pre-season prediction that the billionaire owner would address the team at half time!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steady on Freud &#8211; it wasn&#8217;t a complete waste of time!!</p>
<p>con&#8217;s line:  &#8220;A case of life imitating absurdity&#8221; was quite good and that was a pretty fine pre-season prediction that the billionaire owner would address the team at half time!!</p>
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