Cheer up Wallabies, you’re playing the Northern teams
By pothale, 26 Oct 2009 Pot Hale is a Roar Guru
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Cheer up Wallabies – all is not lost for 2009. Having jetted off to Tokyo for their game with New Zealand, Robbie Deans should be looking beyond this meaningless match to seeing that his squad live up to the expectation of their tour name: achieving a grand slam.
And if they’ve been paying attention to the northern hemisphere season, the Wallabies will have good cause to be optimistic that they can deliver. (That’s my view from an independently biased Irish perspective. And why I devoted a good chunk of this article to the Irish team.)
Six weeks ago, the prospects of Australia touring Ireland and Great Britain and winning all their matches would have been rated 50/50 at best, with talk in some quarters of possibly Ireland, England and Wales all putting one over the most popular of the visiting southern hemisphere teams this year.
With players dropping like flies from the Irish and Great Britain teams, through injury or poor performance, the Wallabies should be breathing a lot easier at this point. To reach their tour objective, it may be that the toughest match of the tour will be the final one against Wales, with the timing of their match in the series a critical factor.
Up against their perennial southern hemisphere foes, England will be without any real strength and experience in its forward pack, and its backline is not looking healthy either.
Wilkinson will have a lot of expectation on his shoulders presuming Johnson picks him at 10. England won’t have played as a test team at that point and are going to have to go out on the pitch with a number of unfamiliar combinations throughout the team.
The fact that England will have to head into a southern hemisphere series without any of its four top props available should give heart to Robinson, Alexander and the rest of the Australian pack after their winter of woe against South Africa and New Zealand.
Added to that the absence of players such as Flutey, Cipriani, Armitage, Rees and Easter through injury should have Kidney, Robinson and Gatland thanking their lucky stars their players are not playing in the English Premiership.
Australia will have their match against New Zealand, and one of their mid-week games against Gloucester, over by the time they hit Twickenham. If he’s ironed out some of the wrinkles, Deans should be confident of securing a scrappy win.
Twelve premiership clubs feed into the England team as well as some players signed to French teams. In contrast, only 9 provincial or regional teams provide the players for the all of the test squads of Scotland, Ireland and Wales, with only one or two players plying their trade in England or France.
Scotland have two regional teams. Edinburgh are riding high in the Magners League, but their players, along with those of Glasgow, have not been setting the Heineken Cup alight and Andy Robinson will have his work cut-out for the series.
The Scots still have some worthwhile players in the likes of the Evans brothers, Cusiter, Danielli, Hines as well as the Scottish front row who might present the toughest prospect of the four home unions. Deans will have enough sense not to send out a Rookie XV at Murrayfield figuring he can get away with it. But he’s going to be counting on this match as a definite win.
By the time he plays them, he could well have two worthy scalps on his belt already. Ireland are second up for the Wallabies in Croke Park. Like England, Ireland will be playing together for the first time since April.
And so far, the signs have not been great from the Six Nations Grand Slam winners – they could be very undercooked.
Before the season started, Kidney probably had a choice as to whether to blood or try out some of the less-experienced players in the run-up to next year’s Six Nations and with half an eye on World Cup 2011. Now he may have no choice.
Two of the three provincial teams that make up the Irish squad have been playing nearly as badly as the Aussie Super 14 teams earlier this year. Actually, make that ‘as badly’.
Winning form and consistency of individual and team performance have been sadly lacking in Magners and Heineken Cup for Leinster and Munster. (They’ve only played 6 league games admittedly.)
Some of the key players haven’t had enough game time with their enforced post-Lions rests. But the dominance and ability to close games out that they would have done last season has deserted them so far this year. Players like Horan, Flannery, O’Connell, O’Gara, O’Leary, Earls, Heaslip and Fitzgerald, have not impressed so far.
Ulster have probably been the best of the provinces (they lead the Magners right now) and some of their players might merit a call-up to the Test XV, except only Paddy Wallace (12) and Stephen Ferris (6) have recent experience at Test level. The three provinces have one more round of Magners left next weekend, and then two weeks to prepare as a Test team.
It’s quite likely that Ireland will have to field a completely different front row from last season’s Grand-Slam line-up of Hayes, Flannery and Horan.
Flannery has been crocked since his pre-Lions tour injury, which prevented the Irish hooker travelling. Jackman and ‘A Squad’ player, Denis Fogarty, are just not as good but Kidney will likely have to go with one of them. (Ulster captain, Neil Best, is a long-term injury.)
Horan got a head knock in a recent game, and has been out of sorts since August. He’s likely to be supplanted by the form-loosehead, Leinster’s Cian Healy, who has taken on the No 1 shirt with relish. He’ll be one to watch.
James O’Connor was probably still in trainers when tighthead John Hayes was first called into the Irish squad in 1998. The most-capped player (with 94, he has two more than Malcolm O’Kelly), he is Mr Reliable in the front-row and still one of the best lifters around.
However, he’ll be badly short of game time, after an 8-week ban for stamping, so Kidney may be forced to look to the 30-year old Mike Ross of Leinster who has only two caps to his name. Or else, Brisbane-born Tom Court who got a couple of caps last season and has been playing well for Ulster in the last few weeks.
Hayes’ understudy at Munster, Tony Buckley, one of the biggest/heaviest props in world rugby (6’5″ and 22st) has more experience (13 caps) but his form has dropped in the last 12 months.
Behind them, Paul O’Connell and Donncha O’Callaghan form a long-time partnership for Munster and Ireland. Of the two, it’s the Lions captain who has lost most form – alarmingly. Peerless in the lineout in some of his previous seasons, ably assisted by Hayes, O’Connell has gone off the boil – in play and leadership.
His Lions captaincy was viewed by many as less than stellar, and, presuming Kidney picks him, hopefully he won’t be laboured with the additional duties of taking over from Brian O’Driscoll to lead the team.
In the back-row, normally the combination of Ferris, Wallace and Heaslip would have any coach feeling happy and confident. Of the three, openside Wallace has made his experience show, scoring some close-in critical tries for Munster.
Heaslip made some barn-storming runs and scored some lovely open-field tries in the 6 Nations and had a much-lauded performance in the third Lions test, but he has been bull-in-china-shop for Leinster this season. As well as being the hardest tackler in the Irish team, Ferris is possibly the fastest blindside flanker around – his length of the field tries against SA opposition in the Lions series left some fleet-footed backs in his wake. He hasn’t had enough game time yet after a tour-ending injury, but if his form improves, Australia will have their hands full.
In the backline, Ireland has three tyros in the shape of Kearney, Bowe and O’Driscoll, all of whom can make game-breaking runs and score tries. Living in the shadow of Wales’ Lee Byrne prior to the Lions tour, Kearney made a name for himself in two of the tests with his catching and kicking skills – and when he gets a chance to enter the line, he’s not too shabby either.
However, it’s the other players around them at 9, 10, 12 and 14 that is a cause for concern, and is the weak point that Australia should focus on.
Fitzgerald on the wing has speed and dexterity going forward but his defensive and catching skills are his weaker points. Adam Ashley-Cooper and others should take note.
In the space of a season and a half, Ireland went from having just the perennial Gregan look-alike, Peter Stringer, linking at the scrum, to celebrating the talents of Tomas O’Leary and more lately Eoin Reddan and Isaac Boss. Of the four, O’Leary should be top dog, but like his Munster team-mates, has slipped in form – some of it possibly due to recovering from ankle injury that stopped him going on Lions tour. Kidney may still bank on him, with Boss as cover. One for Elsom to target.
Ronan O’Gara, the longest-serving 10 in the international Test game, is a shadow of the player he was last year. Whether his cock-up in the second Lions test is still haunting him, or he has just simply burnt out, the odds on him being replaced in Munster are shortening.
His place-kicking stats have dropped nearly 50% on last season, and that simply isn’t good enough. The emergence of Jonny Sexton in Leinster who kicked the winning points in last season’s Heineken Cup final may have something to do with it as well.
Except Sexton doesn’t yet have the reliability with the kicking tee as O’Gara. He makes some incisive bursts and runs, and stands up much better in the tackle, but his inexperience is going to be something his former team-mate Elsom and co. will target.
Actually, Elsom has the goods on a number of the Irish team. Outside of O’Gara, the incumbent Darcy is still plying his partnership with O’Driscoll. He isn’t good enough and like last season, Kidney may choose to go with Ulster’s Paddy Wallace who has been captaining his side to some solid victories. If not, Darcy is going to get found out, albeit his defensive partnership with O’Driscoll is still very solid.
This match is a tough one to call and is dependent on selections, but since Australia will have been playing, and Ireland will be starting cold, the odds shift to the Wallabies.
I suspect that the Australians will have the most respect for Wales. Not just because the Welsh beat them last year, nor that they are perceived to have the best running rugby game of the northern hemisphere unions, but also because Wales will be up to speed and raring to go.
They’ll have New Zealand and South Africa matches under their belt by the time they play. If one or both of those goes the right way, the final match could be a belter with a Grand Slam on the one hand, and another southern hemisphere scalp on the other, up for grabs.
The good news for Australia is that like England and Ireland, Wales will be without critical experience in the front row with Adam Jones out through a Lions inflicted injury. Lions scrum-half, Mike Phillips, is also out.
The four welsh regional teams, Ospreys, Scarlets, Dragons and Blues have had mixed results so far in the Magners and slightly better form in the Heineken Cup for the Scarlets, Blues and Ospreys.
Ryan Jones seems to have recovered his loss of form and is likely to lead the team out. Alun Wyn Jones and Ian Gough will possibly be the lock pairing and Andy Powell taking up the 6 spot. At 7 Wales have another pearler, with Martyn Williams returning from injury and getting back to form.
In the backline, Stephen Jones is locked in solid at 10, with Jamie Roberts, James Hook, Leigh Halfpenny, Shane Willams, Jamie Roberts and Tom Shanklin presenting a tough challenge for the Wallabies.
At the moment, I’m going with the Welsh on this one, because it may be be a game too far for Oz. But momentum carries a lot of weight, and if Australia arrive unbeaten in the Millennium with a game to go, and Wales have possibly suffered at the hands of New Zealand and South Africa, then the Wallabies could be going home with the Grand Slam in their bag as a small consolation prize for their Annus Horribilis of 2009.
So cheer up Wallabies, all is not lost yet.
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October 26th 2009 @ 1:39pm
Hoy said | October 26th 2009 @ 1:39pm | Report comment
I think we are in for hurt.
October 26th 2009 @ 1:43pm
Rickety Knees said | October 26th 2009 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
Great post Pothole – thanks for your stalwart insights!
October 26th 2009 @ 6:05pm
Viscount Crouchback said | October 26th 2009 @ 6:05pm | Report comment
You seem surprisingly reticent about Ireland’s chances, Pothale. I think it will be a monumental missed opportunity if they don’t beat the Australians and Springboks. There are no excuses this time. Ross, Jackman and Healy are perfectly adequate replacements (if they are even needed) and the rest of the team is in perfect health (if not perfect form).
I am afraid I detect again that horrible Irish tendency to go wobbly whenever you come up against the southern trio. It’s all very well strutting about in Europe, but it’s high time you performed against the best rather than going missing on the big occasion. The Irish record against the 3N teams is simply embarrassing and needs to be put right.
October 26th 2009 @ 6:27pm
Hermin said | October 26th 2009 @ 6:27pm | Report comment
Very insightful piece Pothale.
I’m going to back the scots to do the Wallabies someone has to lol
In all seriousness I’d say the NH squads are in a similar boat to New Zealand ala the June tests be it huge injury lists and lack of tried combinations and match play.
Ireland to beat the Wallabies by 10, England to go down by 5 and the Welsh should get up by 8
October 26th 2009 @ 6:35pm
Bertacus said | October 26th 2009 @ 6:35pm | Report comment
Interesting article, though I’m not sure with it’s accuracy given all the accolades the other posters have given you. Yes, Munster & Leinster aren’t playing as well as they could be (presumably/hopefully post Lions effect) but both lead their HC pools and Ulster and Leinster are 1&2 in the ML. Leinster have some fine forwards coming thru who may well get some test time and thus take the pressure off a Munster dominated Irish pack. The Munster pack’s standard of play has really deteriorated in the past 18 months (funnily enough coinciding with the appointment of an Aussie forward’s coach). The Munster tradition is forwards based rugby. Take that away and they will struggle and that is what has happened. I don’t think POC is playing that badly at all, it’s the whole system. You’re repeating the nonsense the British media came out with re his Lion’s leadership.
Neil Best is a flanker who plays for Northampton (when not suspended). Jerry Flannery played against both Leinster and Northampton this season. Iassc Boss will never make the starting Irish team because his sideways running kills his offense. Gregan may have got away with it (just) but 5 years on with the speed of the defensive line it’s a complete no-no. Whilst Stringer is pretty much a one trick pony (ask Biarritz about that one) he remains the quickest passer of the ball around and the pace of the game speeds up enormously when he is on. As soon as the ball is available in the ruck he has moved it 10 meters away. if only TOL could learn that one. D’Arcy remains a class act. O’Driscoll remains simply phenomenol. Makes for a good game in Croker.
Anyway, good luck to our Aussie friends. As long as you beat England………….
October 26th 2009 @ 11:08pm
pothale said | October 26th 2009 @ 11:08pm | Report comment
Thanks Bertacus for the corrections on accuracy. However…..
Leinster are third in their H Cup pool, sitting behind Irish and Scarlets. In the league, Leinster should have beaten Ulster and taken top spot. Munster fell apart against Leinster, and didn’t do enough to take the game against Northampton. They lost to Edinburgh. I don’t think that would have happened last year.
I agree that Leinster have some forwards coming through – I presume you mean people like Healy, O’Brien and McLoughlin. I don’t think the latter two will oust Wallace or Ferris if they’re on song, but I’d love to see both newbies get some game time.
The Munster pack has deteriorated undoubtedly. Is this due to the influence of Laurie Fisher or are there too many old dogs is a valid question. McGahan clearly set out to improve his back-line and move away from the forward-dominated game they played. It has started to blossom in parts, but the presence of O’Gara is now hindering them in my view. Put Warwick in there and the line might start to flow again.
Repeating the nonsense the British media said about O’Connell – not true. I watched him play, and found his performance and leadership lacking – particularly in the first test. And I think that has followed through into his captaincy of Munster so far this season.
My bad on Neil Best – I meant Rory Best though I presume you knew that when talking about Irish hookers. Jerry Flannery was reported to be out of action for up to four weeks about a week ago. That means he’s likely to be missing for the Australia game. I don’t think he’s been in form – you cite the games he played against Northampton and Leinster and Munster lost both of those.
I suggested that Isaac Boss could be used as cover for O’Leary not as a starter.
Darcy remains a class act? Hmmm. Not in my book. But I’m willing to be surprised. O’Driscoll is looking extremely chipper, but gets caught in one too many fancy moves. Simplicity might be the order of the day instead of the endless wraparounds that Leinster love and which teams are beginning to read too well. In addition, BO’D's tendency to rush up in the defensive line and leave an exposed dog-leg is also beginning to be spotted – he’s gonna get caught out badly unless he varies his play more.
As long as you beat England? I’d have said as long as you beat Wales…..
October 26th 2009 @ 8:40pm
Pothale said | October 26th 2009 @ 8:40pm | Report comment
I take your point VC. I wouldn’t have thought reticent could be applied to my ramblings. Ireland played NZ last year and lost. The last time they played Oz n SA in Dublin they won. And the time before that too. It’s their away form that needs to pick up. They’ve come close in more recent matches against Aus/NZ but they haven’t done the deal. They’re not alone though.
Your comments on the Irish players performances lack conviction. Ross n Jackman are not good enough in my view. I know it’s unlikely that you would have been watching rugby from the lower leagues, but if you could pop down to the servants’ quarters for an hour some Friday evening (maybe you do already – nudge, nudge, wink, wink) and get them to put on Setanta, you’ll get an idea of what I’m talking about. These two front-rowers are no great shakes.
Equally O’Connell has not been up to scratch since the 6 Nations. He’s huffing and puffing his way around games. And the comments on Heaslip and Ferris current performances are fair. Aus will have been playing and Ireland won’t. What’s your problem? I said it depends on selections but right now the odds are with Australia. Did you expect me to say that Ireland would wallop the Wallabies?
Whatever about Australia, I’m not sure what informs your presumption that Ireland should beat South Africa. Why do you see it as a missed opportunity? To win when both teams are weakened or do you see both as truly weaker?
October 27th 2009 @ 12:21am
Knives Out said | October 27th 2009 @ 12:21am | Report comment
Two Pothales?!
October 27th 2009 @ 2:18pm
Viscount Crouchback said | October 27th 2009 @ 2:18pm | Report comment
Jackman might not be good enough – dodgy darts – but Ross is certainly good enough. I saw plenty of him at Quins and he’s a better scrummager than John Hayes. Healy is a better player than Horan. Those are the only selection issues the Irish face – everyone else is fit. Martin Johnson and Warren Gatland would kill to have such “problems”.
I agree that O’Connell looks out of form, but such things happen. It’s unacceptable to make an excuse of it. This is the problem with the Irish. They get themselves up for it when they think they have a chance, then they talk themselves out of it when the big boys come to town.
My position is simple: the Irish are Grand Slam Champions and Heineken Cup Champions. They are at home to a poor Australia team and a good, though by no means invincible, South African team. They ought to win both fixtures. There is no point in the Irish talking themselves up as the heirs to Woodward’s England if they constantly balk at the biggest fences. Apart from anything else, it reflects badly on European rugby.
October 27th 2009 @ 8:53pm
pothale said | October 27th 2009 @ 8:53pm | Report comment
‘the heirs to Woodward’s England” – I have never heard that phrase used or a similar analogy about Ireland – I don’t think the Irish team is at that point. If they win all their matches in the Autumn, and the upcoming 6 nations and then win in New Zealand and Australia next summer, they’d be getting close to Woodward’s England. They’d still have to win a World Cup though.
However, I accept your overall premise. It’s fair comment. About my opinion. I don’t speak for the Ireland team who I think would have a different view more in line with your own.
I’m curious about your view of South Africa though. Are you presuming that they’re not going to be up to scratch on this tour – in other words they won’t have the form they had in the 3N – or that they’re fair game either way.
October 27th 2009 @ 1:46am
pothale said | October 27th 2009 @ 1:46am | Report comment
Indubitably.
October 27th 2009 @ 2:37am
Ian Noble said | October 27th 2009 @ 2:37am | Report comment
Pothale
You forgot to mention the Wallabies are playing Gloucester and Leicester during the tour. It will be great to at least get back to a partial “old style” tour. I just wish more of the touring sides would play outside the tests.
October 27th 2009 @ 2:52am
pothale said | October 27th 2009 @ 2:52am | Report comment
Ian – you think I’d forget Glaws? “Australia will have their match against New Zealand, and one of their mid-week games against Gloucester, over by the time they hit Twickenham.”
Apologies to Leicester fans.
October 27th 2009 @ 3:21am
Knives Out said | October 27th 2009 @ 3:21am | Report comment
England (in no particular order):
1. David Barnes, Tim Payne
2. George Chuter, Dylan Hartley, Steve Thompson
3. Duncan Bell, David Wilson
4. Richard Blaze, Louis Deacon
5. Steve Borthwick (although he likes to wear 4), Ben Kay, Courtney Lawes
6. Tom Croft, James Haskell, Joe Worsley
7. Steffon Armitage, Lewis Moody
8. Jordan Crane
9. Danny Care, Paul Hodgson, Richard Wigglesworth
10. Shane Geraghty, Andy Goode, Jonny Wilkinson
11 & 14. Matt Banahan, Mark Cueto, Ugo Monye, David Strettle
12.
13. Dan Hipkiss, Matthew Tait, Mike Tindall
15. Ben Foden
I feel physically sick…
October 27th 2009 @ 3:40am
Colin N said | October 27th 2009 @ 3:40am | Report comment
Who would you have had in instead KO?
October 27th 2009 @ 3:49am
Knives Out said | October 27th 2009 @ 3:49am | Report comment
Flatman at 1. Ignoring his scrummaging power could come back to haunt Johnson. In the past two HC games Flatman has started both and played until the 60th minute in each. It’s not as if Barnes has been in outstanding form. I would have picked a younger player ahead of Bell like Johnson has done with Blaze and Lawes.
The second row seems to lack a balance. The back row appears more balanced, but Crane hasn’t been setting the world alight.
The inclusion of Strettle excites me but where is the alternative 15? I know that Cueto can do a job but what’s the point in ignoring a player like Abendanon.
All things considered Johnson has had to put up with an outrageous combination of injuries but I think there should have been room for Flatman, Webber, Simpson, Waldouck (until injured) and Abendanon, if only for what they would have learnt during training. Perhaps I over reacted initially. The injury list is beyond belief after all.
What do you think, Colin?
October 27th 2009 @ 4:32am
Colin N said | October 27th 2009 @ 4:32am | Report comment
I agree about Flatman. I’m not sure about the Bell scenario. Who who else is there-Forster? In the game against Sale Bell also produced some lovely off-loads.
Isn’t Webbar injured? Completely agree about Simpson, I don’t know what Wigglesworth is doing there. IMO, I think Will Cliff is a better scrum-half than Wiggy, but for some reason hasn’t been given an opportunity. When he did come on for a very brief appearance, he was very impressive.
I’m not a fan of Abendanon myself. I love watching him play, but I wouldn’t be confortable with him playing in an England shirt just yet.
I know what you’re saying about the second-row, but there isn’t a player in England who complements Borthwick the way Shaw does. I see Lawes and Blaze as two 4.5′s, if you get where I’m coming from. I like the look of Atwood, who’s performed excellently in a poor Gloucester side this year, but again he’s not quite an enforcer, nor a jumper, he’s in the middle. I suppose there’s been a case for Schofield and Short. Schofield hasn’t had the best of start’s, but he is the type of player who could complement Borthwick. The same goes for Short, but I suppose we can praise Johnson for looking to the future.
October 27th 2009 @ 5:05am
Knives Out said | October 27th 2009 @ 5:05am | Report comment
Bell is a clever player for a big man and has soft hands, but his fitness has got to be questioned. I would have like to have seen Golding included, as well as Flatman, with Payne covering the 3rd 3 spot. I cannot fathom what Barnes has done to merit inclusion.
Webber is injured, you’re right.
I’m not Abendanon’s greatest fan but he’s about as safe as Foden. I think that Johnson will either star with Cueto at 15 or he is hanging his hat on Foden, and that is a big call.
I agree about Lawes and Blaze. The only difference is that Lawes would provide an impact from the bench. Blaze has been pretty underwhelming this season, IMO, and Deacon is another 4.5. If Johnson is going to consider players like Bell then why not Grewcock or Schofield? The selection is erratic. With some positions Johnson is looking to the future, but not with others.
October 27th 2009 @ 5:21am
Colin N said | October 27th 2009 @ 5:21am | Report comment
“I’m not Abendanon’s greatest fan but he’s about as safe as Foden”
Yeah see, I’ve never understood this. When Foden was at Sale he was very secure under the high ball, his tackling was technically sound. The only thing he needed to work on was his positional play.
October 27th 2009 @ 5:49am
Knives Out said | October 27th 2009 @ 5:49am | Report comment
Maybe Mallinder isn’t that technical with the backs. I thought Foden’s defensive play looked especially suspicious against Munster and Perpignan.
October 27th 2009 @ 6:07am
Colin N said | October 27th 2009 @ 6:07am | Report comment
Yeah, he was completely out of position for the first try against Munster. I didn’t see the Perpignan game.
I do hope Foden plays full-back though, he is an exciting talent and playing Cueto would be a disaster.
October 27th 2009 @ 6:40am
Knives Out said | October 27th 2009 @ 6:40am | Report comment
Cueto a disaster? I hope Foden gets a crack too. England have some exciting back three players.
October 27th 2009 @ 6:46am
Colin N said | October 27th 2009 @ 6:46am | Report comment
“Cueto a disaster?”
At full-back.
October 27th 2009 @ 2:05pm
Viscount Crouchback said | October 27th 2009 @ 2:05pm | Report comment
Off-field reasons explain Kennedy’s and Flatman’s omissions, I suspect.
October 27th 2009 @ 8:30pm
Knives Out said | October 27th 2009 @ 8:30pm | Report comment
Kennedy will never get a look in now that Captain Courageous has consolidated his position as head boy, and I cannot fathom why Flatman has been left out. Obviously Steeve Meehan has a different opinion of Barnes than Johnson does.