If AFL didn’t exist, would the Wallabies be number 1?
By chig, 26 Oct 2009 chig is a Roar Rookie
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If AFL didn’t exist, would the Wallabies be number 1? This is the question I often ask after watching the Wallabies lose a Tri Nations match. This isn’t an attempt to denigrate AFL, I think we’re fortunate to have choice and our sporting culture is rich because of it.
However let’s suppose that during the 1850’s, Tom Wills saw Rugby as an ideal way to keep cricketers fit during the winter and the game gained a strong foothold throughout Victoria, SA, WA, Tasmania and NT.
In this ‘parallel universe’ it’s likely that after 1908 Rugby League would have gained more traction than Union because players were paid, but this is my ‘dream’ and I’m speculating that Rugby League remains niched in small areas as it has done in the UK and New Zealand.
The sport divide between Summer and Winter means that followers of the Australian cricket team are made up of AFL, NRL, Soccer and Rugby supporters, it’s a game that brings us all together.
Therefore the only true national sport is cricket. Can we draw parallels from this game? If Union is the only ‘footy’ code (soccer is a different beast), where would Australia sit in the pecking order of Southern Hemisphere Rugby? I’d surmise that we’d win the Tri Nations and Bledisloe Cup more often.
Over the last 20 years Australia has been the best International cricket team. Since the advent of professionalism in cricket in the 1970’s, it’s interesting to note which States produced the Australian cricketers to lay the foundation for this success.
From 1970 until today, there have been 164 cricketers represent Australia in all forms of the game. 49 players were born in NSW, WA 33, Victoria 31, Qld 22, SA 16, Tasmania 7 whilst the remaining 6 were born in the NT, ACT or overseas.
What is interesting that on a per capital basis WA is easily the most productive state. On this basis, it has produced over three times more Australian players than Victoria. One may argue, from a rugby development point of view, that it was a wise move to set up the Western Force (WA) Rugby franchise before the Victoria one.
If we all followed Rugby it would be our national sport. But being a national passion doesn’t guarantee success. Wales has a wonderful rugby history, it’s the sport of choice amongst its 2.9 million residents, but they are ranked 8th in the world.
If we all followed Rugby, there would be a lot more registered players, but this isn’t a barometer of potential success. There are 150,000 registered rugby players in NZ, but 700,000 in England. NZ is ranked 2nd, England is ranked 7th in the world.
So success is not directly attributed to the country’s obsession or the number of registered players, it’s about systems, structures and attracting the best athletes. Not any type of athlete, but the best athletes for Rugby.
I am sure there are brilliant rugby players in England who never played because they were soccer obsessed. Likewise, I am certain that there are AFL players loitering in suburban sides or reserve teams that will never make the big time. But Rugby may be a better option for their body size and skill sets, but they are yet to find the game.
If cricket and tennis were winter sports they would lose out in popularity to AFL. If this occurred, we may have never seen the spinning genius of Shane Warne as he would have languished in one of the minor St Kilda grades and we may have one less Wimbledon crown because Leyton Hewett was focused on making the Adelaide Crows team.
Therefore my “concern” with AFL is its dominance in specific states that may prevent future Wallabies coming to the fore. But this is not a fault of AFL, it shouldn’t be criticised for its success, rather it’s the fault of Rugby for not laying the foundations for these fringe AFL players to follow an alternative development channel.
This shouldn’t be a concern to AFL diehards. Rugby won’t knock AFL of its perch. We won’t take the Gary Ablett or ‘Buddy’ Franklin type players away from their destiny in AFL greatness; but we may unearth a John Eales type player and together we can all enjoy in the success of one of our national teams.
I am certain that Australia would have a much great win/loss ratio if Rugby was the only footy code, but it’s not and never will be. So rather than lamenting what could have been, let’s focus on what we can achieve. The goal therefore is to make the most of what we have.
I believe despite the doom and glow there is light for Rugby in Australia. The Western Force has triggered strong growth in Rugby numbers in Perth and this year several talented WA schoolboys were picked for the Australian Schools team. If the Victorian Super franchise bid is successful, hopefully we can replicate the grassroots success of WA in Victoria. In addition, Sevens Rugby’s admission to the Olympics will boost the profile of the sport in this country.
We need a National Rugby competition to develop talent. I have argued as such on this site; but it can’t be a tournament solely to grow the talent pool, it has to be financially successful and commercially sustainable. I am beginning to realise that this cannot be achieved now. We missed the boat back in 1996.
In addition I believe the meteoric rise in sponsorships and broadcaster revenue is in a boom cycle and in the not too distant future it will fall, bringing all codes back to earth. Therefore Rugby shouldn’t spread itself too thin with multiple competitions. It should focus on what it has and develop the pathways to find the best Rugby athletes, through a beefed up Club Rugby (a discussion for another post) and Super Rugby.
I don’t believe Rugby in these competitions competes against AFL. AFL competes with NRL and A-League at a national level for sponsorship and broadcast dollars. Rugby plays out at club and provincial/international level attracting a different level of sponsors with different target groups. Hopefully our AFL brethren can support us in our endeavours to develop Rugby and assist in making the WA and Victorian franchises successful.
If we do this, perhaps the Wallabies will become number 1 again.
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True Tah said | October 26th 2009 @ 7:36am | Report comment
If anything, your article highlights what the ARU needs to do.
I agree the point about the numbers playing a game do not mean anything. On the weekend there was an excellent rugby league test match between Australia and New Zealand. New Zealand has less than 15,000 players, however at the top end, its players are playing consistently week in week out in the NRL and ESL, and this includes guys who are raised in Australia but have enough ties to qualify them for the Kiwis.
Firestarter Bob said | October 26th 2009 @ 7:46am | Report comment
“perhaps the Wallabies will become number 1 again”. Errr? When were they ever Australia’s No.1?
chig said | October 26th 2009 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
Sorry FB, “perhaps the Wallabies will become number 1 again” refers to being ranked number 1 in World Rugby, not being Australia’s number 1 code (although that was the inference intended from the title to get people reading the article
Although the IRB world ranking only came into existence in 2003, one would argue that during the Rob Macqueen era (1997-2001) the Wallabies would have been the number one team at some point.
Robbo said | October 27th 2009 @ 10:49am | Report comment
I think you mean 98-01. The 97 Wallabies were one of the worst ever.
chig said | October 27th 2009 @ 11:53am | Report comment
I think he was appointed in September 1997 (but could be wrong), so technically the era was 1997-2001, but agree the 1997 Wallabies were terrible…
Redb said | October 26th 2009 @ 7:51am | Report comment
If Australia was all conquering in rugby the rivalry with NZ would be nowhere near as interesting. Rivalries arent built from flogging your opposition every time. NZ are a smaller country, thus the player numbers are more on par.
Victorians have always chosen playing football over cricket, the odd Shane Warne gets through but the best go to footy.
That Australia has managed to win the Rugby World Cup twice from its player base highlights that if Australia was as rugby obsessed as NZ then the opposition arguably wouldn’t be there and the sport poorer for it.
if you want an alternate universe, if Sydney had stuck with Aussie Rules and then helped it grow in QLD, NZ, PNG, Pacific Islands, South Africa, etc – our own game would have an international competition.
It’s all history and you have to play with the cards you are dealt.
Redb
Michael C said | October 26th 2009 @ 8:09am | Report comment
If the AFL or Australian football didn’t exist….then, the Aust Footy states would’ve seen the RL vs RU split, animosity, paranoia etc over the last 115 years.
Would RL be number 1 or the Wallabies?
or would Australia just have been even MORE dominant in the cricket?!??!??!
I’m with Redb – more to the point, if Sydney hadn’t have shafted Aust Footy and driven a wedge that cut off Melbourne’s influence on Brisbane and the Kiwi North Island……and therefore PNG & Pac Islands, etc.
Anything could’ve happened. The 1908 line up at the 50 year celebratory tournament may’ve just been the start.
AndyRoo said | October 26th 2009 @ 12:37pm | Report comment
If AFL was the number one football code in all states would we have a national comp?
Would it be 32 teams with one in Auckland or Promotion and Relegation or a Champions League Style the top teams in the VFL, SANFL etc etc play midweek?
Dave1 said | October 26th 2009 @ 6:17pm | Report comment
This is true. Fans of West adelaide, Port, collingwood and Richmond would have never been into Rugby
Brett McKay said | October 26th 2009 @ 8:23am | Report comment
Chig, happily, your article didn’t go where I thought it might with that heading. You raise some very interesting and good questions. I agree with True Tah, this highlights what NEEDS to happen, which as you know means nothing will.
But you have also brought up a new way to get a much-discussed (and discussed, and discussed, and discussed…) national competition – and I don’t know why this hasn’t some up previously – TIME TRAVEL!!
chig said | October 26th 2009 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
Brett – if you keep this to yourself. I have in fact invented a time machine for this very purpose. I took if for a test run the other day. I went back to the Rugby World Cup Final in 2003 between Australian and England. Just as Johnny Wilkinson was about to slot home the winning drop goal I threw a beach ball onto the field to push the ball off course.
Unfortunately something happened with the Flux Capacitor and the ball ended up at a match between Liverpool and Sunderland.
It needs more work…
Brett McKay said | October 26th 2009 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
Eamonn said | October 26th 2009 @ 8:47am | Report comment
Interesting Chiq from a football perspective Hawthorn apparently wanted Mark Viduka in his youth. Look what he produced for the national team. Without him and probably Harry Kewell Australia could never have got to the World Cup or made the impact it did.
If football can get one two more Mark Viduka’s every ten years or so from AFL then Australian football will continue to impress at World level, and with the “new football” and all the opportunities it now brings it should be an easier gig to attract and keep the odd star players than it did in the past.
Guess all codes are fighting for the cream, and while not all Union, AFL and League players have the skill to play football, clearly a good football player like Viduka or Josh Kennedy could clearly be swayed to go the other way, particularly if you come from AFL mad Victoria. Football keeps many talented players already, but getting another Viduka every 5 years instead of 20 is the key to improve the national team.
Additionally if football can get one of the top five Indigenous AFL players, in their teenage years, who are skilled enough to play football then again the improvement to the national team will be marked.
Football doesn’t need anymore players, just a couple of Viduka, Kewell types every 5 years, to add to the other good players…..and we’ll keep flying.
Is there enough elite talent to go around????
Maybe not if you look at the quality of the current Kangaroos, Wallabies and Socceroos!
Eamonn said | October 26th 2009 @ 8:49am | Report comment
Redb.
Agree with you, “Victorians always choose football over cricket”…you mean like Viduka who chose football over cricket and AFL…….hope you can help us find another couple for our national team:)
Pippinu said | October 26th 2009 @ 8:59am | Report comment
Dukes is still handy with the Sherrin. About 8 years ago, while training on the MCG, Farina got a few Sherrins out for something different.
According to eye witnesses, Dukes was a standout.
Kewell was the worst.
AndyRoo said | October 26th 2009 @ 12:32pm | Report comment
Most Australian squads have about half their players from West Sydney…would be hard not for someone like Dukes with any sort of experience with the Sherrin not to stand out
A similar experience to playing cricket against a bunch of Canadians that were self taught amongst themselves. There were a lot of Murali’s that’s for sure
Dave1 said | October 26th 2009 @ 6:20pm | Report comment
The first time Viduka went to the MCG was when he payed there. Doesn’t sound like he really grew up with AFL.
Eamonn said | October 26th 2009 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Kewell must be from Western Sydney…read into that what you will:)
Pippinu said | October 26th 2009 @ 9:05am | Report comment
A portent?
Hammer said | October 26th 2009 @ 9:41am | Report comment
“If Union is the only ‘footy’ code (soccer is a different beast)” … why is it a different beast – in fact it is the true football code
chig said | October 26th 2009 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
Hammer, I’m staying well clear of this argument.
However, I was trying to find a name that covers the three codes that play with a “prolated spheroid” shaped ball.
As in “I’m going down to the park to kick the footy”. RL, Union and AFL call this a footy, I’m certain football/soccer players wouldn’t call it this. Hence “soccer is a different beast”.
But don’t worry, in my parrallel universe, football/soccer is doing quite well in Australia. In fact we won the world cup in 1986. We beat Argentina in final… would you believe Warwick Capper kicked the winner…
Hammer said | October 27th 2009 @ 2:14pm | Report comment
Thanks for the explaination Chig – I see where you’re coming now
TommyM said | October 26th 2009 @ 4:02pm | Report comment
In Chig’s defence, I think this may allude the fact that RU, RL and (to lesser extent) AFL have a level of physical contact that does not occur in football.. true football (unless you are Zinedine Zidane
) and that some players who like games with such levels of contact would thus not consider football as their primary football code to play.